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_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Whether you agree or disagree with their goals........... there is no way a group of people providing logistical support to Hamas can be considered "peace activists". They are a group taking an active role on one side of an armed conflict. That has absolutely nothing to do with "peace".

Hamas is a government, regardless of whether we like to admit that point or not.

The people involved in this situation on the flotilla side has done this 9 times, 5 of those times having gone through this 'blockade' with no issue

frankly, i see your desire to get into the nitty gritty of this situation, i am tempted as well.

the big picture here is peace activists were shot and killed by TPTB, and in direct violation of international law, laws we are now using to justify killing basically everyone that fucks with anyone else.

that is the big picture.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Sorry, I had to laugh at the irony of that statement, not to mention the utter denial.

you often find yourself laughing, to yourself?

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you often find yourself laughing, to yourself?

Only when a select few of you type. Makes me glad I graduated both high school and college.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Only when a select few of you type. Makes me glad I graduated both high school and college.

usually, if one is lucky, someone of note will suggest that insulting someone else for a difference of opinion has some scary undertones

but i'm sure someone of college education would be able to understand this.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

usually, if one is lucky, someone of note will suggest that insulting someone else for a difference of opinion has some scary undertones

but i'm sure someone of college education would be able to understand this.

Why don't you look closely at what I quoted. In college, we learn reading comprehension.

theking · 05-31-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

the author:

http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/san...linghoffer.htm

I suppose you had a point to make...but I do know what your point is. She reported on a study that was done by Harvard and a poll done by the University of Hafia.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Why don't you look closely at what I quoted. In college, we learn reading comprehension.

we learned that in first grade.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

we learned that in first grade.

Apparently not.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

I suppose you had a point to make...but I do know what your point is. She reported on a study that was done by Harvard and a poll done by the University of Hafia.

A select few morons on this forum don't know how to think logically, so if they see a source by a Jew/Republican/Conservative, they'll dismiss it automatically, completely disregarding the possibility that it was actually done by one of their own(liberals).

cykoe6 · 05-31-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

frankly, i see your desire to get into the nitty gritty of this situation, i am tempted as well.

the big picture here is peace activists were shot and killed by TPTB, and in direct violation of international law, laws we are now using to justify killing basically everyone that fucks with anyone else.

that is the big picture.

Yea..... we certainly don't want to let those nitty griity facts get in the way of developing a big picture narrative that can be used to demonize and delegitimize Israel.

Marcus Aurelius · 05-31-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Are you mad that he's been arguing logically and you've just been making shit up?

Actually, it is the other way around. Also, his opinion is biased as he is an Israeli citizen.

Marcus Aurelius · 05-31-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

As I am sure you aware Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2005. I understand that you will distort the facts to fit your narrative as you see fit....... but that does change the fundamental truth that Gaza is Judenfrei.

Israel abandoning Gaza because stationing troops there was seen as too high a cost to pay in terms of Israeli casualties is besides he point. Israel is still the occupying power. They're called the occupied territories for a reason.

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Apparently not.

Never fails, demon turning threads into pointless name calling matches.

theking · 05-31-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

Hamas is a government, regardless of whether we like to admit that point or not.

The people involved in this situation on the flotilla side has done this 9 times, 5 of those times having gone through this 'blockade' with no issue

frankly, i see your desire to get into the nitty gritty of this situation, i am tempted as well.

the big picture here is peace activists were shot and killed by TPTB, and in direct violation of international law, laws we are now using to justify killing basically everyone that fucks with anyone else.

that is the big picture.

Five of the six ships in this flotilla went through this time also without issue as they agreed to have their ships searched...it was the sixth ship that attacked Israeli forces as they individually repelled down to the ship...as they video clearly shows.

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Five of the six ships in this flotilla went through this time also without issue as they agreed to have their ships searched...it was the sixth ship that attacked Israeli forces as they individually repelled down to the ship...as they video clearly shows.

Did they have a right to defend their ship with armed men boarding in international waters? yes or no?

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Apparently not.

care to explain then?

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

care to explain then?

I said this:

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Sorry, I had to laugh at the irony of that statement, not to mention the utter denial.

And you responded with

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usually, if one is lucky, someone of note will suggest that insulting someone else for a difference of opinion has some scary undertones

To which I responded with:

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Why don't you look closely at what I quoted. In college, we learn reading comprehension.

Get it?

Also, mayabong, I don't think I could ever dick up threads with my namecalling(which is pretty much factual) as you can by making us laugh with your retarded theories.

theking · 05-31-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

Did they have a right to defend their ship with armed men boarding in international waters? yes or no?

Right and wrong is subjective but I would answer no...unless they were willing to pay the consequences for such a foolish act and I guess they were...as they certainly did pay the consequences. The Israeli forces were armed with non lethal riot control weapons but did carry side arms with live ammuntion which as it turned out for them was a good thing. The other ships suffered no injuries and no harm other than being escorted into port which is where they were told to go in the first place.

femdomdestiny · 05-31-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

That was my point. As mentioned and the correlation with Israel storming a boat with aid. Laws mean nothing unless they are backed with force.

Also, the US did not want to get involved in Kosovo and pressured the UN to do something. Once the UN understood the Americans would not get involved (or our money) the UN found a loophole in "resolution 1244" and immediately changed the language to exclude "genocide" from the charter? Why? Because if that word was left in, the UN's responsible to do something...alone. That's right 250,000 plus people died because of one word. In short, International law means nothing unless there is money and force to back it up. The EU fails to do this on a consistent basis.

hey man, 250 000 pepole died where? I am in Kosovo at least twice per year and if that number is about kosovo it is so wrong, believe me. US want to involve there much longer before most people here heard about that place. And they did, by arming KLA there and giving them support until break point. If you have nerves for this, google about Racak village incident that "started" war there and what Finish and Russian pathologist told about bodies there and how William Walker fabricated data and use it for American attack there.

Exactly same methods as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. (just much smaller scale scenario). if you need startup point for investigation, read this : http://www.globalresistance.com/analysis/meetmr.htm and after it, just try to see what this man did and where he served as CIA agent. I think I will go of from this theme, since it is taking too much time and there will never be clean situation. Maybe gold rule would be not to interfere in other people's conflicts (any size).

Marcus Aurelius · 05-31-2010, 06:54 PM

Israel's propaganda machine FAIL - raw video of IDF firing on ships before boarding:

""In what could be a serious blow to Israel's narrative on the killing of at least nine humanitarian activists making their way to Gaza through international waters, raw video by an Al Jazeera producer, who was filming during the raid, appears to provide evidence that the IDF opened fire on the flotilla even before boarding it."

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Israel's propaganda machine FAIL - raw video of IDF firing on ships before boarding:

""In what could be a serious blow to Israel's narrative on the killing of at least nine humanitarian activists making their way to Gaza through international waters, raw video by an Al Jazeera producer, who was filming during the raid, appears to provide evidence that the IDF opened fire on the flotilla even before boarding it."

+1 for being objective. LOL

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

hey man never argue with an idiot because they will reduce you to their level and beat you with expertise.

bullseye haha

Rochard · 05-31-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

You failed right there. It's called collective punishment, and it's illegal.

That's like saying "war is illegal".

It's not "collective punishment". They aren't trying to punish anyone. What they are trying to do is restrict the flow of weapons going into this area.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

bullseye haha

Totally, I just explained in kindergarden terms how you lack reading comprehension skills, and you invoked your defense mechanism known as denial

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Totally, I just explained in kindergarden terms how you lack reading comprehension skills, and you invoked your defense mechanism known as denial

surely you meant to spell 'kindergarten' rather than the common misspelling of 'kindergarden'

and it's all just an amusing coincidence the irony of it all

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

surely you meant to spell 'kindergarten' rather than the common misspelling of 'kindergarden'

and it's all just an amusing coincidence the irony of it all

hhahah

Rochard · 05-31-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Guys, 16 innocent civilians have been died, which excuse can cover this?

How are they innocent? Are they innocent in the way that drug dealers off the coast of Florida are innocent when they are boarded by force?

They refused to stop and submit to an inspection. That's international law and Israel's right. When they refused, they became criminals.

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

How are they innocent? Are they innocent in the way that drug dealers off the coast of Florida are innocent when they are boarded by force?

They refused to stop and submit to an inspection. That's international law and Israel's right. When they refused, they became criminals.

in international waters? Gotta love how people take up for these murderers.

Rochard · 05-31-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Some of you may find this article interesting.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php...n-israel-best/

Some excerpts...

77% Palestinian Arabs: We like Living in Israel best
By Judith A. Klinghoffer (bio)

It is difficult to find a more neglected story than the relative satisfaction of Palestinian Arabs living in Israel as is revealed from a recent Harvard Study. (Palestinians Arabs (including those living in greater Jerusalem) constitute 20% of the population). Aware of inconvenient polls which reveal that Palestinian living in Israel are vehemently opposed to becoming citizens of Palestine, the researchers did their best to lower the satisfaction number by phrasing the question so as to receive the most negative number. They asked Palestinian Arab if they would rather live in Israel or in any other country in the world.

77% of the State of Israel?s Arab citizens would rather live in the Jewish state than in any other country in the world, according to a new study titled ?Coexistence in Israel?. The study was aimed at examining the relations between Israel?s Jewish and Arab citizens on the State?s 60th anniversary, and included 1,721 respondents.

Other polls similarly demonstrate that to achieve better integration, most of the Arab citizens of Israel support voluntary national service. They are not subject to compulsory military service though they may volunteer to serve and some do.

Yet a poll carried out by University of Haifa last month revealed that 75 percent of Israeli Arabs between the ages of 16 and 22 support voluntary national service. The poll also found that the vast majority of the Arab public is unaware of the national service. 77.4 percent overall and 79.6 percent of youth said they know little or nothing about the program. Moreover, the poll found that once given basic information about conditions in the national service and its goals, not only were Israeli Arab youth supportive of the idea, but so were 71.9 percent of all Arab men and 83.8 percent of all Arab women. In contrast, some 80 percent of members of Arab political parties opposed national service.

In other words, ideological diatribes aside, the attitudes of Israeli Arabs demonstrates that the Jewish state is doing a pretty good job accommodating it?s large Palestinian minority despite the trying circumstances under which she is forced to live.

That's amazing really. Who knew.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

surely you meant to spell 'kindergarten' rather than the common misspelling of 'kindergarden'

and it's all just an amusing coincidence the irony of it all

No, that's a misspelled word. You lack the ability to read. Actually, you can't even use "irony" in the proper context

Too easy

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

in international waters? Gotta love how people take up for these murderers.

Gotta love how conspiracy nut cases lack the ability to present evidence and live in reality. Stay off the hash pipe

Rochard · 05-31-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank and Gaza. I know I'm arguing with an ignorant Zionist, but that's how it is, and under international law, Israel is responsible for the welfare of the citizens of Gaza.

I'm confused. Didn't they have elections, and didn't they vote an terrorist group into power which is now more or less their government? If they have their own free standing government, it's their government who needs to ensure your citizens have enough to eat. Then again, if your government is really a band of terrorists who does nothing but piss of their neighbors - including Egypt - well then, it's up to the government of Gaza to fucking take care of it's people. Which they can't seem to do.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

No, that's a misspelled word. You lack the ability to read. Actually, you can't even use "irony" in the proper context

Too easy

at least i have spelling

Rochard · 05-31-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

Did they have a right to defend their ship with armed men boarding in international waters? yes or no?

No, they do not. According to international law, once they are within a certain distance of a country that country legally has the right to inspect the ship and the cargo.

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Gotta love how conspiracy nut cases lack the ability to present evidence and live in reality. Stay off the hash pipe

blah blah my grandma was in the holocaust blah blah, heard it a million times.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you often find yourself laughing, to yourself?

Unfortunately not reading comprehension, grammar, or logical deducing skills

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, they do not. According to international law, once they are within a certain distance of a country that country legally has the right to inspect the ship and the cargo.

12 or so miles yes?

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

blah blah my grandma was in the holocaust blah blah, heard it a million times.

Blah blah you're all sheep blah blah the Holocaust never happened blah blah 9/11 was an inside job.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, they do not. According to international law, once they are within a certain distance of a country that country legally has the right to inspect the ship and the cargo.

so what is your thoughts on Somalia then?

Marcus Aurelius · 05-31-2010, 07:20 PM

400 zionists

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Unfortunately not reading comprehension, grammar, or logical deducing skills

well for grammar, you couldn't use two single ideas and then a slew of words to describe whatever you're trying to say

so you could say 'reading comprehension, grammar, or logic'

or

'lack reading comprehension, ability to use grammar, or logical deducing skills'

or you can fuck it all and go

'reading comprehension, ability to use grammar, or logical deducing skills'

and isn't all deduction logical, if used correctly?

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

well for grammar, you couldn't use two single ideas and then a slew of words to describe whatever you're trying to say

so you could say 'reading comprehension, grammar, or logic'

or

'lack reading comprehension, ability to use grammar, or logical deducing skills'

or you can fuck it all and go

'reading comprehension, ability to use grammar, or logical deducing skills'

and isn't all deduction logical, if used correctly?

Actually, nothing you said makes any sense seeing as how what I said was correct. And yes, all deduction is logical if used correctly. You lack logical deducing skills, ergo you lack the ability to make a logical deduction? Am I going too fast for you?

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Blah blah you're all sheep blah blah the Holocaust never happened blah blah 9/11 was an inside job.

9/11 was done by a guy in a cave everyone knows that.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Israel's propaganda machine FAIL - raw video of IDF firing on ships before boarding:

""In what could be a serious blow to Israel's narrative on the killing of at least nine humanitarian activists making their way to Gaza through international waters, raw video by an Al Jazeera producer, who was filming during the raid, appears to provide evidence that the IDF opened fire on the flotilla even before boarding it."

just wait for all the weapons tehy're going to find, after the ships are in port

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Actually, nothing you said makes any sense seeing as how what I said was correct. And yes, all deduction is logical if used correctly. You lack logical deducing skills, ergo you lack the ability to make a logical deduction? Am I going too fast for you?

it's not correct no

mayabong · 05-31-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

just wait for all the weapons tehy're going to find, after the ships are in port

That'll be the kicker.

The Demon · 05-31-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

it's not correct no

Prove it

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-31-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

just wait for all the weapons tehy're going to find, after the ships are in port

Kinda like chemical weapons in Iraq.

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

That'll be the kicker.

i don't get the big strategy honestly.. the jewish population controls the government, now.

In 60 years they're going to be a small minority in that country.. so if they're planning on moving away from the democracy model, this all makes sense

but if they aren't, why are they ostracizing everyone they can against the nation created?

Turkey is either one of the few, if not only, Arab country in the region allied to them

_Richard_ · 05-31-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

Kinda like chemical weapons in Iraq.

i heard the US sold them those weapons.. in a program run by a dude down in mexico who just happened to go to the same highschool that crazy fuck who made jonestown was from

who knew the iraqis were actually cooperating and the years of sanctions and UN-run/scammed were pointless

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