Israel attacks ships in gulf - Page 12 - GoFuckYourself.com

milambur · 06-02-2010, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausage

All those impartial witnesses on the boats eh

No bias there whatsoever.

You would believe IDFs military censored information over reporters, politicans, noble prize winners, professors and other people that were on the boats?

DOX · 06-02-2010, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T2
There are several Swedish members of the flotilla that has testified about Israeli brutallity on other ships that didn't resist the boardings.
Link in Swedish:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/meh...anda-1.1115400

As for the footage I have seen it was Al Jazeera so I will not truly belive it until it is confirmed.

Don't you like action movies? The majority just loves it!

Oh.., I got it.., this story draws your attention just bc of its brutality richness. So brutally is actually good for ppl like you, TV-Brains.

Over 30 ppl died in Pakistan last 3 days. Very very brutally murdered. Did you know that? No movies, sorry

DOX · 06-02-2010, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T2
There are several Swedish members of the flotilla that has testified about Israeli brutallity on other ships that didn't resist the boardings.
Link in Swedish:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/meh...anda-1.1115400

As for the footage I have seen it was Al Jazeera so I will not truly belive it until it is confirmed.

You know what.., I think Swedish guys participated in it just bc they knew it's going to be hot and brutal. They lo-ove it brutal... trust them. Didn't you know that brutally is a part of the humanity? Look around.

That's why Sweden sells so much weapon to pure countries. I think these members missed something...

DOX · 06-02-2010, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T2
There are several Swedish members of the flotilla that has testified about Israeli brutallity on other ships that didn't resist the boardings.
Link in Swedish:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/meh...anda-1.1115400

As for the footage I have seen it was Al Jazeera so I will not truly belive it until it is confirmed.

With help you we just discovered the mistake of Isralis.

Isralis said "It's gonna be brutal guys!" and wows.. what we see... we see crowds of TV-Guys pleading for punishment... Amazing ah?

Fuck the shit... It looks like they loved it and want even more!

I couldn't believe it when i saw them saying "we want more!"

And, you know..., I'm as a pornographer see it in their eyes! Satisfaction!

SmokeyTheBear · 06-02-2010, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

It seems to me if they were actually using paint ball guns they went above and beyond their duty to try and not harm innocent bystanders.

That would explain all the people israel commandos killed. generally when i try not to kill anyone , a "good" result isn't shitloads of people shot and killed..

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

Our Military sure as hell would send troops into that situation with paint ball guns.

huh ? i hope our military isn't this stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

The Video pretty much supports the soldiers side of the story as you can clearly see they were being attacked the moment they landed on the decks.

They were being murdered, generally when i am being killed i tend to protest a bit , maybe even fight back..

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

Like it or not they had a job to do and it doesn't matter if it's un-popular with a bunch of activists or not.

the difference is , the israeli job is to stop starving kids from getting food and medicine , the boats job was to deliver aid. What israel did was unpopular to the REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD ( turn on the tv, u.n., nato , dozens of countries all comdemn the murders )

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

For the Record I do think Israel can go a bit far at time .

like the ethnic cleansing and starvation they are subjecting the palestinians to ?

Going a bit too far is like burning your toast or yelling at a cop. Murdering unarmed children and elderly by the truckload because they have a different god is just sick religious fucktards

milambur · 06-02-2010, 08:28 AM

Why is it that every time there is a discussion some people just can't keep the focus on the topic at hand?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

Don't you like action movies? The majority just loves it!

Oh.., I got it.., this story draws your attention just bc of its brutality richness. So brutally is actually good for ppl like you, TV-Brains.

Over 30 ppl died in Pakistan last 3 days. Very very brutally murdered. Did you know that? No movies, sorry

SmokeyTheBear · 06-02-2010, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking

Well North Korea "commando's" did more than board an American ship in international waters...it killed and wounded crew members...captured the ship...the USS Pueblo...in '68 and still has the ship to this day. It released the surviving crew members...82 men...11 months later.

So what your saying is the usa admitted it should have let the commando's board the ship, and you agree north korea had every right to kill all those americans because they weren't permitting north korea to inspect the ship ? furthermore the usa must have attacked first thats why so many people were killed.

DOX · 06-02-2010, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur

Why is it that every time there is a discussion some people just can't keep the focus on the topic at hand?

Ask them.

I think those "some ppl" opposing/criticizing of your unbalanced views.
Since you have no constructive arguments to criticizm of "some ppl" so you pissed off.
Accept point of view of "some ppl", don't be a kook. Let them.

Democracy.

femdomdestiny · 06-02-2010, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You have switched topics so many times it is not even relevant to the thread. The only thing we've learned is when you get pissed off your English gets better.

Bondsteel: Is a camp that has a UN controlled peacekeeping force of 1000 that happen to be Americans. NOT a US military base occupying/depriving the Balkins. You don't even know NATO's (KFOR) role in Kosovo and you fucking live there? Your only intention here was to bash Americans and had nothing to do with the original thread topic.

Milosevic was not held in American custody and organ harvesting? Give me a break, we Americans are not going to fly 8,000 miles to a shit-hole to harvest organs and deal drugs? We can cross our southern boarders to do that and it would be cheaper.

Well dear, your type of ignorance is the reason a Military camp is in the middle of the country that will be there forever.

And when we talk about modern history, I feel that I should mention you backed up guys like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg _(1st_Albanian) and turned back to guys like this : http://www.teslasociety.com/500.htm

Okay, we Americans should feel shame for stopping your countrymen from possibly slaughtering more then a quarter of a million Muslims?..and you call me arrogant?

A think people are going to hard pressed to see/understand your point.

My english is obviously good enough as soon as you are answering to my messages. We could speak French if you wish, no difference to me, two foreign languages are more then enough regarding my opinion.

I perfectly know what is going on there and what kind of ghettos are made for rest of non albanian (those that were not killed and forced out) people there in this moment and that's what US absolutely support.I could put money on table and bet that I have info that you can't have, and don't want to see, from one simple reason, and that is proximitiy and ties I have there. It would be the same that I try to explain to you about native Indians position and history in US,even worse.

Regarding Bondsteel , I will just paste wikipedia info " Camp Bondsteel is the main base of the United States Army under KFOR command in Kosovo.". Exaplanation about NATO is there and that US role is small, is silly in a same way you are justifying complete war there. Formally, NATO attacked, but just see what was majority of forces and why then other NATO countries didn't accept Kosovo independence and they fight for it . (hey man,they attacked like you say). Do yo know that pilots from Norway refused bombing and attacking when they got order? (yep, NATO country)

Are you aware that USA and NATO asked from Serbia to give them free passing over it's territory, use whatever is necessary and not be included in domestic law? do you know about that and how would you call it, if I may ask? Care about Kosovo Muslims?Read other's resources and back up you knowledge before judging. It was planned to be classic occupation and war started once it was refused, with fake report about massacre that was prooven by Finish pathologist, years later. But you don't want to know, since it is a shithole, probably.

You are talking about possible sloughtering of quater million of Muslims. Possible, of number that no one knows since Albanians there refused to register and sign in in inventory for decades , so they could use numbers in a way you do. Those albanians were armed by USA and supported to attack before anything happened at first place. (small reminder for you: http://www.truthinmedia.org/images/holbrooke-kla.jpg ) . I hope you know who was this man. While you are talking about possible killing, not actual, how many deaths US army made in Iraq? And were there weapons of mass destruction? Or it was a lie? Same scenario was used in Kosovo, just it is much smaller scale and you already went to next war. Logic is strange, kill million muslims on one side of planet while helping other not to be killed eventually regarding your own statement.It sounds silly whoever that is involved.

I've gave you already several informations that you can research from resource you think it is suitable , but you refused. (here is one more http://4international.wordpress.com/...as-srebrenica/) . There Only logical explanation for your point of view is that you are Muslim from there or simply don't care about truth and it is easier for you to follow official version.

theking · 06-02-2010, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

So what your saying is the usa admitted it should have let the commando's board the ship, and you agree north korea had every right to kill all those americans because they weren't permitting north korea to inspect the ship ? furthermore the usa must have attacked first thats why so many people were killed.

No...that is what you are saying...sport.

milambur · 06-02-2010, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

Ask them.

I think those "some ppl" opposing/criticizing your unbalanced views.
Since you have no constructive arguments to criticizm of "some ppl" so you pissed off.
Accept point of view of "some ppl", don't be a kook. Let them.

Democracy.

Take a look at my posts again then take a look at yours. If you still don't understand, feel free to continue your rant.

Rochard · 06-02-2010, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so you think usa would allow north korea to send commando's onto american ships in international waters to "inspect" the ship.

get real

Do you think israel would allow armed palestinians to inspect their ships ? syrians ? thats what i thought, what you meant to say was "if you are jewish" its ok , " if you are muslim" it's not ok.

and by "inspect" do you mean attack and murder civilians carrying aid or actually inspect like in the dictionary ?

It's an inspection. And yes, if an American ship was in North Korean waters, they legally have the option to stop and inspect it. However, in the real world, generally speaking such actions are only taken when there is reason to believe there is some illegal action. In the case of an American ship in North Korean waters, chances are it's going to North Korean to bring it grain (because they can't feed themselves) and in fact will be inspected in port.

Same thing if it's an Israeli ship in Syrian waters. It's international law. The catch here is that if it's an Israeli ship in Syrian waters, it's either going to Syria and will be inspected or it's just passing by and Syria could care less about it.

DOX · 06-02-2010, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

My english is obviously good enough as soon as you are answering to my messages. We could speak French if you wish, no difference to me, two foreign languages are more then enough regarding my opinion.

I perfectly know what is going on there and what kind of ghettos are made for rest of non albanian (those that were not killed and forced out) people there in this moment and that's what US absolutely support.I could put money on table and bet that I have info that you can't have, and don't want to see, from one simple reason, and that is proximitiy and ties I have there. It would be the same that I try to explain to you about native Indians position and history in US,even worse.

Regarding Bondsteel , I will just paste wikipedia info " Camp Bondsteel is the main base of the United States Army under KFOR command in Kosovo.". Exaplanation about NATO is there and that US role is small, is silly in a same way you are justifying complete war there. Formally, NATO attacked, but just see what was majority of forces and why then other NATO countries didn't accept Kosovo independence and they fight for it . (hey man,they attacked like you say). Do yo know that pilots from Norway refused bombing and attacking when they got order? (yep, NATO country)

Are you aware that USA and NATO asked from Serbia to give them free passing over it's territory, use whatever is necessary and not be included in domestic law? do you know about that and how would you call it, if I may ask? Care about Kosovo Muslims?Read other's resources and back up you knowledge before judging. It was planned to be classic occupation and war started once it was refused, with fake report about massacre that was prooven by Finish pathologist, years later. But you don't want to know, since it is a shithole, probably.

You are talking about possible sloughtering of quater million of Muslims. Possible, of number that no one knows since Albanians there refused to register and sign in in inventory for decades , so they could use numbers in a way you do. Those albanians were armed by USA and supported to attack before anything happened at first place. (small reminder for you: http://www.truthinmedia.org/images/holbrooke-kla.jpg ) . I hope you know who was this man. While you are talking about possible killing, not actual, how many deaths US army made in Iraq? And were there weapons of mass destruction? Or it was a lie? Same scenario was used in Kosovo, just it is much smaller scale and you already went to next war. Logic is strange, kill million muslims on one side of planet while helping other not to be killed eventually regarding your own statement.It sounds silly whoever that is involved.

I've gave you already several informations that you can research from resource you think it is suitable , but you refused. (here is one more http://4international.wordpress.com/...as-srebrenica/) . There Only logical explanation for your point of view is that you are Muslim from there or simply don't care about truth and it is easier for you to follow official version.

why don't you copy paste all wikipedia here.
that's why Jesus doesn't answer to your prays

Westerns say "We are the only guys allowed to kill legally! Serbians kill illegally! We are westerns know how to make legal wars!" Israeli wars illegal!"

Rochard · 06-02-2010, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking

Well North Korea "commando's" did more than board an American ship in international waters...it killed and wounded crew members...captured the ship...the USS Pueblo...in '68 and still has the ship to this day. It released the surviving crew members...82 men...11 months later.

That's a good point. I forgot all about that.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's an inspection. And yes, if an American ship was in North Korean waters

Same thing if it's an Israeli ship in Syrian waters.

you guys keep trying to slip that "in *insert country here* waters" stuff in, but the fact is this ship was not in israels waters, it was international waters.

Try to keep it factual man.

Rochard · 06-02-2010, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

Owned....

I thought they were on a humanitarian mission... With night vision goggles and bullet proof vests?

Well, this explains why the other ships allowed the Israelis to board and this ship didn't. Go figure.

Rochard · 06-02-2010, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

correction : crew member ( singular )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)

,,, and they just wanted to board and inspect .. all perfectly legal .... in national waters ..

Not sure about that.

International law allows the host country to stop a civilian ship and board it. This was a US Navy ship.

Rochard · 06-02-2010, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

you guys keep trying to slip that "in *insert country here* waters" stuff in, but the fact is this ship was not in israels waters, it was international waters.

Try to keep it factual man.

Maybe.

First we would need to know exactly where this went down. I have yet to catch that bit of info in any of the news reports.

Then we would need to figure out exactly where "international waters" is - would it 12 miles, 24 miles from the baseline, or 200 miles?

DOX · 06-02-2010, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

you guys keep trying to slip that "in *insert country here* waters" stuff in, but the fact is this ship was not in israels waters, it was international waters.

Try to keep it factual man.

So fuck it... Waters are for ppl, for every single man on earth! It's International! Europeans act in Somalia waters, brutally killing black ppl, so Israelis act just 120 miles from home.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Maybe.

First we would need to know exactly where this went down. I have yet to catch that bit of info in any of the news reports.

Then we would need to figure out exactly where "international waters" is - would it 12 miles, 24 miles from the baseline, or 200 miles?

then you clearly have either not read up on the event or purposefully overlooking the most important fact about this incident.

NO ONE has disputed it taking place in international waters, not even Israel. Its not even up for debate, even the newspapers in Israel claim it was international waters LOL.

"maybe" = uninformed. Which is absurd that you continue the debate while being grossly uninformed on the important facts of where it took place, I mean come on. You try to cast doubt on one of the most important facts? LOL

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

So fuck it... Waters are for ppl, for every single man on earth! It's International waters, for Israelis as well.

just tired of seeimg him try to spin it like it didnt take place where it did. Was 70 miles from gaza, numerous articles clearly state this, no one is even debating where it took place.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:16 AM

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ch-us-1.293089

"Confrontation took place in international waters"

DOX · 06-02-2010, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ch-us-1.293089

"Confrontation took place in international waters"

Some others says it took place in Israeli waters. You don't know. "haaretz" - Israeli left wing press. They usually criticize Israelis.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:18 AM

link please.

milambur · 06-02-2010, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Maybe.

First we would need to know exactly where this went down. I have yet to catch that bit of info in any of the news reports.

Then we would need to figure out exactly where "international waters" is - would it 12 miles, 24 miles from the baseline, or 200 miles?

Territorial waters are 12 nautical miles and 12 additional nautical miles may be claimed as Contiguous zone. The 200 nautical miles exclusive economic zone only give the countries rights to economic interests but is still considered international water. The ships where 70-80 nautical miles outside the Israeli blockade zone of gaza in International water according to most sources I have seen.

directfiesta · 06-02-2010, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Not sure about that.

International law allows the host country to stop a civilian ship and board it. This was a US Navy ship.

It was a spy ship :

Quote:

January 23, Pueblo was approached by a sub chaser and her nationality was challenged; Pueblo responded by raising the U.S. flag. The DPRK vessel then ordered her to stand down or be fired upon. Pueblo attempted to maneuver away, but was considerably slower than the sub chaser. Additionally, three torpedo boats appeared on the horizon and then joined in the chase and subsequent attack. The attackers were soon joined by two MiG-21 fighters. A fourth torpedo boat and a second sub chaser appeared on the horizon a short time later

...

The North Korean vessels attempted to board Pueblo, but she maneuvered to prevent this for over two hours and a sub chaser opened fire with a 57 mm cannon, killing one member of the crew.

...

In his book The Pueblo Surrender - A Covert Action by the NSA, author Robert A. Liston points out that weakly armed spy ships operating alone, and dangerously close to enemy territorial waters normally carry little if any sensitive material on board

You seem to say that it was not OK to board the Pueblo because it was a naval ship ( np flotting its flag .. ) :

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This was a US Navy ship.

Next time aid needs to reach Gaza, would it be OK to send a miltary convoy ( Turks or Syria .. ) : good to know !

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milambur

The ships where 70-80 nautical miles outside the Israeli blockade zone of gaza in International water according to most sources I have seen.

Yes, you can post links to hundreds of articles that state this, I am still waiting on ONE link to state otherwise. Everyone from Washington Post to Jerusalem Post have conceded the event took place 70+ miles outside of gaza.

a simple google new search proves this. As I said, I havent even seen Israel trying to debate where it took place LOL

http://news.google.com/news/search?a...les+fl otilla

So where are the links that state otherwise DOX? waiting.

roly · 06-02-2010, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's an inspection. And yes, if an American ship was in North Korean waters, they legally have the option to stop and inspect it.

but it wasn't in israeli waters.

DOX · 06-02-2010, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

link please.

I don't see your link first.
I need trusted sourse, after investigation.
Unlike you, I don't trust commercial media. $ motivated for you.

theking · 06-02-2010, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ch-us-1.293089

"Confrontation took place in international waters"

"The Israeli blockade itself against Gaza itself is not illegal, and it's okay for Israeli ships to operate in international waters to enforce it," said Allen Weiner, former State Department lawyer and legal counselor at the American Embassy in the Hague, and now a professor at Stanford Law School. Beyond that, he said, Israel has a legal obligation to allow humanitarian goods into Gaza and to exercise proportionality in the use of force.

Israel maintains that it was clearly within its rights to stop the aid flotilla, saying any state has the right to blockade another state in the midst of an armed conflict.

"We were acting totally within our legal rights. The international law is very clear on this issue," said Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. "If you have a declared blockade, publicly declared, legally declared, publicized as international law requires, and someone is trying to break that blockade and though you have warned them . . . you are entitled to intercept even on the high seas, even in international waters."

Other scholars will disagree...just as with many...if not most laws...they are arguable.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

I don't see your link first.
I need trusted sourse, after investigation.
Unlike you, I don't trust commercial media. $ motivated for you.

ok now youre being ridiculous.

You claimed "there are othrs who say it took place in israeli waters" - post it or youre just making it up, simple as that.

so show me? You can disregard my links to Haaretz, cool, but where is yours? LOL

you dont have one.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

Some others says it took place in Israeli waters.

link please or you are just making it up.

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:44 AM

" in international waters, about 70 miles off the Israeli coast."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102908.html

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 09:45 AM

"The raid took place about 70 miles offshore in international waters."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNL31DNLOA.DTL

theking · 06-02-2010, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

" in international waters, about 70 miles off the Israeli coast."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102908.html

BTW...my quote is also taken from the Washington Post.

DOX · 06-02-2010, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roly

but it wasn't in israeli waters.

1. Depends. Just switch chanells. Now it looks like Israeli waters.
2. Waters has no borders, it's liquid.
3. Border is a human creation, a reason for wars. This conflict is just about fucking borders. Fuck borders! And it looks like Israelis see it from a point of god's view... A World Without Borders! No Passports, No Shit!

What do you think about this great world without borders?

Fletch XXX · 06-02-2010, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

1. Depends. Just switch chanells. Now it looks like Israeli waters.

we are not talking about tv, we are dealing with facts surrounding this event. Events even Israel is not debating, but somewhow you feel the need to lie and say it happened in Israel's waters? What a kook, put on the tin foil hat. You made a claim you cannot back up

I am not saying Israel did not have the authority to board and inspect, I am saying where this took place as has been repoted time and time again, with all this no borders shit you sound like a conspiracy theorist no better than left wing idiots.

You are purposefully disregarding the facts surrounding where this event took place, you have nothing factual to base this on so you start running off about switching tv channels?

You lose.

Joshua G · 06-02-2010, 10:06 AM

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia, this would never have happened.

Sausage · 06-02-2010, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

the difference is , the israeli job is to stop starving kids from getting food and medicine , the boats job was to deliver aid. What israel did was unpopular to the REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD ( turn on the tv, u.n., nato , dozens of countries all comdemn the murders )

Then why did they pass up on the offers made from both Egypt and Israel once they knew the boats were headed their way. Oh yeah media doesn't report it much, but both countries offered for them to be able to dock in their ports and have the cargo screened and then sent to Gaza.

Face it ... this was more a staged politically motivated protest, than an actual aid mission.

Oh and while we are at it, what exactly did Gaza residents need with gas masks, night vision goggles, bullet proof vests and other questionable items? Yes they were in the cargo too.

DOX · 06-02-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

link please or you are just making it up.

A big fan of commercial links, Fletch XXX, ah? Try brains. You will find it inside your own head and it may work, trust me.

I can give you a link to my dog's homepage. Much more trusted sourse than CNN shit, influenced by politicians. Or you are the one who trusts media?

Look, Fletch XXX, the difference between us in "food" we eat.
You prefer shit in any beautiful cover, produced by mass-media for masses. (That's why it smells so disgusting here.)

Don't share this shit with us. Keep it.

roly · 06-02-2010, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausage

Then why did they pass up on the offers made from both Egypt and Israel once they knew the boats were headed their way. Oh yeah media doesn't report it much, but both countries offered for them to be able to dock in their ports and have the cargo screened and then sent to Gaza.

Face it ... this was more a staged politically motivated protest, than an actual aid mission.

i agree it was a protest, but the blockade shouldn't be there in the first place, its clearly not just about stopping weapons being smuggled, as you can see from the list someone else posted, there's a massive amount of foodstuffs, raw materials etc that are not allowed, the UN says they even only let in 25% of the humanitarian aid that's required for the people who live their. its real reason is just to oppress and punish the people of gaza, and that is undeniable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sausage

Oh and while we are at it, what exactly did Gaza residents need with gas masks, night vision goggles, bullet proof vests and other questionable items? Yes they were in the cargo too.

last time i checked, gas masks, night vision goggles and bullet proof vests were a means of protecting yourself, not weapons. and from the israeli reaction to the ship it was sensible to be wearing a bullet proof vest and a gas mask, considering how many were killed and injured.

the whole israeli/palestinian mess could be sorted out fairly quickly and with both sides coming away with a fair deal and the creation of two states, if the US played a more even hand, and didn't back israel no matter what.

directfiesta · 06-02-2010, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

A big fan of commercial links, Fletch XXX, ah? Try brains. You will find it inside your own head and it may work, trust me.

I can give you a link to my dog's homepage. Much more trusted sourse than CNN shit, influenced by politicians. Or you are the one who trusts media?

Look, Fletch XXX, the difference between us in "food" we eat.
You prefer shit in any beautiful cover, produced by mass-media for masses. (That's why it smells so disgusting here.)

Don't share this shit with us. Keep it.

WOW !!!!!!!

Amazing how many of the top scientists and intellectuals are jews .. seems that their BRAIN cells were not in your blood line...

Please stay in Tel-Aviv and do not reproduce.

blofer80 · 06-02-2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Nex time I visit you " peacefully " , I will remember the bring my zodiacs, gunships, helicopters ... at 4:00 AM ... And please do not mind a few bodies here and there .. it is all for fun !

There were tons of cameras there, also a live broadcast 24/7 on the web all arab TV channels. Show me 1 israeli ship shooting, ALL CAMERAS, show me 1 evidence!

Israel has no interest to kill people. Israel planned this operation MANY DAYS before it happend. The violence wasn't expected.

Btw, the ship was warned 10 times, before all of this happend. So ok, it was on international water, so if it all happend 10 mins later, so it was under Israeli water, big difference! IN ANY CASE, All world knew and they also declared they are going to Gaza, so whats the surprise here? If you decalre you want to envade my house, and you are on your way, i must wait until you enter my house or i can stop you in the garden outside my house?

The fact only 9 people were killed shows that Israel didnt want to hurt anyone. Trust me, if other country soldiers were AMBUSHED like this, there were 50-200 dead people.

femdomdestiny · 06-02-2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOX

why don't you copy paste all wikipedia here.
that's why Jesus doesn't answer to your prays

Westerns say "We are the only guys allowed to kill legally! Serbians kill illegally! We are westerns know how to make legal wars!" Israeli wars illegal!"

I would really like to hear Israel story about this, although I can't understand language. Iam also interested in next thing: Have they already tried to smuggle weapons through humanitarian aid? Any recorded case of this?

DOX · 06-02-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

we are not talking about tv, we are dealing with facts surrounding this event. Events even Israel is not debating, but somewhow you feel the need to lie and say it happened in Israel's waters? What a kook, put on the tin foil hat. You made a claim you cannot back up

I am not saying Israel did not have the authority to board and inspect, I am saying where this took place as has been repoted time and time again, with all this no borders shit you sound like a conspiracy theorist no better than left wing idiots.

You are purposefully disregarding the facts surrounding where this event took place, you have nothing factual to base this on so you start running off about switching tv channels?

You lose.

I'm cosmopolitan. You are now trying to put us in a frame of your limitted world.., countries, borders... Fuck it! Just fuck! Leave this shit for yourself!

The ordinary man (like you) is a creator of all troubles, ruled by Evil. Don't make us thinking in standards.

No borders. This is my point of view.

DOX · 06-02-2010, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I would really like to hear Israel story about this, although I can't understand language. Iam also interested in next thing: Have they already tried to smuggle weapons through humanitarian aid? Any recorded case of this?

I don't know.

I'm not the one who supports one side.
I'm here to oppose the majority, to develop more balanced and quality output of this discussion.

theking · 06-02-2010, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

As for the boarding ( not mentionning killings ) of ships in International waters , I still am waiting for your backup on that . It should be easy for you to provide it as you are so adament that it is normal, legal and done daily ... by ... some unnamed other countries ...

Here you go...as a response to your post to Rochard.

"The Israeli blockade itself against Gaza itself is not illegal, and it's okay for Israeli ships to operate in international waters to enforce it," said Allen Weiner, former State Department lawyer and legal counselor at the American Embassy in the Hague, and now a professor at Stanford Law School. Beyond that, he said, Israel has a legal obligation to allow humanitarian goods into Gaza and to exercise proportionality in the use of force.

Israel maintains that it was clearly within its rights to stop the aid flotilla, saying any state has the right to blockade another state in the midst of an armed conflict.

"We were acting totally within our legal rights. The international law is very clear on this issue," said Mark Regev, spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. "If you have a declared blockade, publicly declared, legally declared, publicized as international law requires, and someone is trying to break that blockade and though you have warned them . . . you are entitled to intercept even on the high seas, even in international waters."

DOX · 06-02-2010, 10:55 AM

[QUOTE=directfiesta;17202202]WOW !!!!!!!

Amazing how many of the top scientists and intellectuals are jews ...QUOTE]

How many?

blofer80 · 06-02-2010, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I would really like to hear Israel story about this, although I can't understand language. Iam also interested in next thing: Have they already tried to smuggle weapons through humanitarian aid? Any recorded case of this?

No. And Israel also doesn't claim they found weapons on this ship.

directfiesta · 06-02-2010, 11:02 AM

[QUOTE=DOX;17202455]

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

WOW !!!!!!!

Amazing how many of the top scientists and intellectuals are jews ...QUOTE]

How many?

many .... you need a list ? I assure you that you are not and never will be on it .

06-02-2010, 09:16 AM	#572
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ch-us-1.293089 "Confrontation took place in international waters" __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-02-2010, 09:18 AM	#574
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	link please. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-02-2010, 09:44 AM	#583
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	" in international waters, about 70 miles off the Israeli coast." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060102908.html __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-02-2010, 09:45 AM	#584
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	"The raid took place about 70 miles offshore in international waters." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNL31DNLOA.DTL __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

06-02-2010, 10:06 AM	#588
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia, this would never have happened.

06-02-2010, 10:55 AM	#598
DOX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague \| Tel-Aviv Posts: 199	[QUOTE=directfiesta;17202202]WOW !!!!!!! Amazing how many of the top scientists and intellectuals are jews ...QUOTE] How many?