You certainly have a lot more hate in you than I would've imagined dude. I'm not really sure what my profession has to do with any of this or why you feel the need to drag it through the mud along the way. I certainly haven't mentioned anything about your profession in here, unless of course you happen to be an actively employed policeman. However, even if that were the case, the story involved and the purpose of the thread in the first place include the actions of a corrupt cop and is quite relevant in the discussion. Bagging on "designers" or trying to use "designer" as some sort of slur just because you disagree with my view of cops is just childish. A "designer" didn't try to rape a woman from a position of absolute power & public trust. A fucking PIG did.

I don't know what you mean by 'he wouldn't have been there'... why wouldn't he have been there? This isn't a Schrödinger's cat situation.

Oh come on dude.

Seriously? And if he would've turned left out the driveway 7 years ago instead of going right.....

Thing is, him being there isn't a bad thing. It's a good thing. It resulted in a seriously disturbed cop getting pulled off the street. We should all be grateful. And now he must be punished for his reward. :)

I was not quoting you or talking to you. And I have dealt with more flaky designers than bad cops. :2 cents:

You're right. You weren't quoting me or talking to me.

You preferred to make comments around me. So which is it? Is it designers that bother you, only "idiot" designers, or just me. I'm also curious why you chose this thread as your platform for comparing skin depth of designers and announcing pre-requisites for your patronage.

Maybe I'm just unlucky, but 90% of the cops I've had the displeasure of dealing with have been much less than professional. Most are downright psychopathic. :2 cents:

He knows that being in the country illegally always carried a risk; it may have been low-risk before but it was still there that he could be deported at any time. One aspect of that risk is the fact cops or others may fuck with him knowing he will likely not report them.

For example, do you think it's NEVER happened before that an immigration officer discovered some latina was illegal and blackmailed her to either fuck him or he'd send her back? This stuff happened long before these new laws.

As for crime rising, that will happen, as illegals will both not be as afraid to commit them as well as not report them happening to them. However, that's short-term *IF* in fact millions eventually do get sent home. The ones causing crime and not reporting it will no longer exist in America (again, big *IF* enforced properly) and thus that crime will drop.

As for this guy being good in reporting a cop, you don't know the guy. What if he is in fact a criminal himself? What if he beats his GF at home? You can't judge him by the fact he stopped this incident.

All good points, except the last one. We can judge him, because if that dude had a history it would be the first thing in the headline. "WANTED ILLEGAL FELON CAUGHT" is what it would've said. I have no doubt they got this guy's history back to before he was born sitting in a nice thick file. Especially with a cop going down for it.

Actually Varius.... you are beginning to flip me on this one a bit.

How's this... Even if the dude is squeaky clean, he really didn't turn this cop in because he was trying to be a good citizen, it happened out of bad luck ending up in a situation. And I agree, he knew he was illegal and he knew there are risks... totally agree.

Should he get a free pass? I don't think so. But I do think he should be given an appropriate amount of time to be able to become legal. He's got a special circumstance, and after all, they've already gone through his history, job, details, etc... and they were victims of the worst kind of crime of all: Betraying the public trust. When the enforcers are the criminal, who do you turn to?


but anyhow... this is only one dude in a weird situation. We can talk about him forever and none of it applies to the masses anyway. :disgust

I agree with him being given time to apply for the Witness Visa type and if granted, he would then have time to work towards a true Visa.

I think of it this way: as a Canadian, I'm not legally allowed to live in the States. Now, as I'm caucasian, the chances of me being profiled are pretty low. However, all it takes is some tiny event to cause my deportation; for example, if I get in a fight at a bar, let's say it wasn't even my fault - cops may check my ID and realize I've overstayed my welcome and deport me, possibly even banning me from re-entering for a few years. Or it could be a car accident, or a million other things that would lead to my being found one and sent packing.

If it happened, it would be my fault and the risk I would be taking.

The most excellent point to anyone who actually read it.

For those who don't get it :

If the guy knew he was going to be deported then he would let a police officer
get away with raping a women.

You're right AMP; we can't deport him.

What if was a ex-con that missed his parole visit and he called 911, give him a pass? Who chooses? Thats why we have laws.
It's not a perfect system, but it's all we got.

Could it have anything to do with the fact that [by your own admission] you were pretty much psychopathic?

What if he was a mobster that committed 5 murders and he got like immunity because
he was turning in the other mobsters that committed 20 murders?

What is it that we normally might do over here?

Duh........I don't know. :uhoh

So like a guy is violating a law that, except for Arizona 1070, a city cop can't even arrest for the
offense is now a massive threat to society since he turned in a rapist cop.

Yeah, totally. It's my fault all these cops are rotten. That explains my dealings with them over the last 43 years. Had a few bad drunken years on a messageboard, surely that's what set them off.

...........

You have to look for the common denominator.

Yeah? What was the common denominator when the police robbed my house? What was the common denominator when they came to my front door and demanded I prove that I own the house? Since when do police get to do these things?

What's the common denominator when the SWAT team shoots a little girl sleeping on a sofa? Or when they bust in and destroy the wrong house like they routinely do?

the same one that's in every other story every day in the news: The police.

I am not a fan of the police, but two wrongs do not make a right tootsie.

The people he reported were breaking the law. The dude reporting was breaking the law.

Whether one is a capital crime, and the other a petty crime, it does not matter to the coppers. They only care about law breakers regardless.

You truly see no difference in not having a green card versus what that cop did?

I have three friends who are cops. One for Homeland Security, one for Michigan State Police, one for City of Detroit. Not ONE of them cares about the difference in what you are describing. I have had this discussion with them.

They all see it as a broken law is a broken law. You're wrong. They're right. Law is on their side.
:2 cents:

Tough crowd....

so what's an illegal gotta do to get a little slack in our new Mexican Hunting environment of today? Save the pope? Rescue a bus load of diseased starving children? Solve the economic problems of the nation?

The dude got a rapist cop off the street. I personally consider that significant enough to cut him some slack. There are plenty of other Mexicans you guys can herd back to Mexico.

Write your Congressman and get a "Good Samaritan" Immigration exemption passed.
:2 cents:

No. He's being deported because he is in this country illegally.

The illegal dude said :

:1orglaugh

if there is one thing that will remain true: You cant argue about cops with people who have them in their family or are friends with them. It sucks but thats just how it is. If someones dad is a cop they will defend cops no matter what, they can do no wrong in their eyes.

Yes, we've heard that. But it is interesting because, what if the guy had required witness protection until the other dude was convicted? Do we keep him here in order to send a rapist to prison, or ship him back to Mexico because he broke the law?

And I suppose Option #3 would be, use him for what we need, then discard him like a used Starbucks cup down in Juarez.

Funny cuz I have many cops in my family ranging from SWAT to DEA to US Marshals. They all know how I feel. :)

I am not defending them champ. I am telling you what actual police/law enforcement think.

I do not care for cops. I tend to agree with Amp in regards to a lot of them have a certain mentality of entitlement, arrogance, whatever. I do not agree with everything my friends say. To them I am much too liberal, and I enjoy taking great liberty in always busting their balls about goose stepping down Michigan Ave.

Funny that you make that ASSumption you know me/my politics based on a few message board replies. Heh. GFY.
:2 cents:

ok, i was just speaking from my own experience. I guess your experience differs, but theres always a reason for blind support of police, and its usually family members, I guess I shouldve phrased that differently.

I wasnt even talking about you or to you I was just making a general comment in a thread about cops.

Fair enough fine sire.

On a side note, nice to see you back posting more on GFY recently. :thumbsup

It's all good man... I've learned the hard way not to blindly trust anyone. I used to support the police because of my family. Until I saw the outrageous stuff I had only read about. After the police robbed me, all those stories in the news took on a whole different level of real for me.

Well at least you know what im talking about. I have never had a good experience with cops either. I won a court case against one for basically assaulting me and throwing me in jail for nothing, he beat my head into hood and held it on hot carhood and wouldnt let me up etc...the judge threw it out of court after hearing my testimony. Trust is earned, and way I see it, I have more reasons not to trust than I do to trust. So we in agreement there.

yeah I used to trust cops til I moved to the south, and had a couple really bad experiences. I won't go into it here, but throw all your rights out the window, down here they do what they want. It still amazes me.