Make up your mind. Is he being railroaded or given an opportunity to stay?

I see AMP has started drinking early today

:1orglaugh

make sure you let them know how you feel next time you hiring one. :upsidedow

Or maybe it was because he was left with no choice but to call 911 while his woman gets groped and manhandled by NC's finest. "Thanks for helping us nail this corrupt cop, now back to Mexico with you!"

I don't drink.

Why do you care? Are you from Arizaona?

The designer I use has thick skin and isn't constantly referring to cops as pigs . . . . or he would not be my designer any more.

What difference does it make. He's an illegal. Burn his life down and ship 'em out, yes?

For the record, I have never been your designer and I doubt I would ever take you on as a client for any amount. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh Is it your contention that illegal aliens are the true crime stoppers in AZ?

I am crushed. I will try to get by.

No, not at all. It is my contention that the pigs are corrupt to the bone. Giving them an opportunity to abuse their positions even more is never a good idea.

so you are saying if your designer was reffering to cops as pigs you wouldn't give him work, but if you are reffering to designers as pigs (you said it yourself, that you feel the same thing about designers) - somehow he should not give a fuck? some onesided ligic here :upsidedow

Yeah, me too broheim. Somehow I will manage.

"The American Civil Liberties Union and immigrants? rights groups have denounced Section 287(g) as an open invitation for local police to try to cleanse their communities of illegal immigrants under the pretext of enforcing minor infractions, like traffic violations."

Yeah, because ethnic cleansing worked out well in the past.

Cop was bad got reported and fired doesn't give "Illegal" alien a free pass. You ever watch cold case with bill curtis? They arrest murderers 30+ years after the crimes so how long you have gotten away with it don't mean shit. Legal immigrants sit on a list for years where illegals hop a fence or jump in a truck and stay under the radar for years. Why the thought of millions of people here undocumented sounds like a good idea to you I have no clue as they get jobs, free health care, free financial aid while using some random stolen social security number as I have seen it first hand. They protest downtown Chicago with 8,000+ people but the day will come when legals organize and protest with 100k+ to let them know they ain't shit, legal mexicans here don't even like illegals as they did things the right way instead of cheating. Having millions of people here illegally with zero documentation on file is a security risk so I have no sympathy for them. If shit is so bad in your home country then protest there and fix the homefront instead of sneaking into another country and whining like a bitch for handouts.

And the 911 call that was not acted on?
The false arrest?

Yeah, illegal immigration is a problem. I'm pretty sure I never said it wasn't. But there are provisions in place for guys like this. Illegal or not, no one should be punished for being a victim. Now that he's been identified, give him the provision and let him use the time to get himself legal. Don't just put him on a plane and throw him out over Tijuana. We'd like to keep the good people yes?

Show me one time I called a designer a pig.

Here's an idea... why not reform immigration with some incentive instead of threats. Maybe some program like, Turn in a corrupt pig, get an instant green card. Would keep things in check if nothing else.

Well even if a legal citizen is reporting a crime, calls the cops and gets caught doing something illegal (say with drugs, etc), they get arrested too.

My sister lives in East LA and gets pulled over and harrassed all the time for nonsense. They ask her what a white girl is doing in that part of town, like she is looking for drugs. TALK ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING lol

Once they even cuffed her husband, put him in the back of the car and turned the heater on all the way in the middle of summer while they searched her car. They are usually Mexican cops and speak all gangster. "where you from homie," and he tells them nowhere, he's not in a gang.

He never called designers pigs...
czarina said,

and baddog replied,

so he just wants to cook us on a fire. Perfectly understandable. I'd like to roast a few bikers around here some days.

I might work that you could reward an illegal for something like that with citizenship or something. I'm still not for reform if it means amnesty myself, because how do you create amnesty and where do you draw the line, but getting it up the ass for doing something worthwhile isn't too cool and sends a bad message to look out for yourself first.

Make them work for it. It's not an overnight process, but if they have incentive they're more likely to try to get legal. Threats clearly do not work and never will.

...and you base that on what, exactly? We have not truly enforced our immigration laws, on either the people entering illegally, or the companies that hire them.

If we actually enforce those laws, on both the people and the companies, and it STILL doesn't work, THEN I will agree with you.



Until that happens, I say you have no proof that "threats clearly do not work"


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I could see them looking the other way on this one as they wouldn't have found out he was illegal without the arrest which was unjustified. As far as keeping the good people they need to seal the border before they begin any type of reform as no sense dealing with it when the border can still be penetrated and the flow continues. I'm not sure how San Francisco is but in Chicago crooked politics and cops is how this city runs so the bad cop part of the story doesn't surprise me much as I'm used to the daily news here.

"What is illegal immigration doing to America?

Jobs that once provided a living wage for citizens and legal immigrants have become jobs that "Americans don't want" because illegal aliens provide cheap labor for greedy, unethical employers. Our education, health care, and social services systems are buried under the weight of providing for the flood of illegal aliens who use these services at a disproportionately high rate compared to the amount they contribute. Our criminal justice systems are overflowing with cases of crimes committed by illegal aliens, while cities with so-called sanctuary policies (like Chicago) mandate a lack of cooperation with federal law enforcement agencies with regards to those who are in the country illegally.

American citizens and those who honor this country by immigrating legally deserve better -- much better -- and the time has come to stand up, speak out, and demand it from our government."

http://chicagominutemanproject.com/aboutus.html

Well, Arizona passed their "law" and issued their threats, and I don't see throngs of illegals running back to the Motherland.

Might have worked out better for everyone if he'd just shot the cop instead.

when the economy went south a lot of illegals went home on their own, distribute a national ID card to legals and without it you can't get a job, food stamps, financial aid, health care etc... and many more would run home.

So now I, as a perfectly law-abiding US citizen, must be forced into a centralized government database and made to carry MY "papers" just to live a normal life? Not down for that plan at all.

Here is a headline today that supports what I already said, and for another reason altogether:

Police fear Ariz. law will boost crime

Arizona's new immigration law and similar proposals in other states would lead to an increase in crime, some police chiefs from around the country told Attorney General Eric Holder in an hourlong meeting Wednesday.

The chiefs told the attorney general that having to determine whether a person is in the United States illegally will break down the trust that police have built in communities and will divert law enforcement resources away from fighting crime.

If that happens, "we will be unable to do our jobs," said Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck. "Laws like this will actually increase crime, not decrease crime."

LINK



but then, us designers are just crazy. :1orglaugh

The Arizona police themselves are against this nonsense.

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said the requirements of the new law are so burdensome that "we doubt the federal government can even handle the numbers of people we will bring to them" on immigration status.

The new law "puts Arizona law enforcement right in the middle" at a time when police budgets are already in crisis, said John Harris, president of the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police.

It's part of the risk you must assume when you enter ANY country illegally ...

So my next question is, if the AZ police are even against this, and they are the ones that are supposed to enforce it (but probably won't since they are against it), what good does any of this do for anyone?

saw that bit of news today. so the great law is backfiring in more ways than one.

its been a huge re-direction. economy goes sour, politicos say "hey look its them! they're the ones that took your jobs and sapped our resources." while they continue to line their pockets fueling the racist fire.

if they want to seal the borders fine, they should. maybe they should have thought about that 20 years ago when they had the money.

but really, enough of this sudden hispanic backlash crap.

have a look at the AZ gov. her inner lizard is showing.

you said you feel same way about designers that czarina felt about cops. pardon that i didn't copied exact words and phrases. :upsidedow

So, what is the problem?

no problem. I found kind of ironic and illogical that you wouldn't give your designer work based on his view of cops but expect him to be thick skinned about what you've replied to czarina about designers :upsidedow

I think amp wants to send all the cops to Mexico and keep the illegal aliens here

Guess I should have specified "idiot" designers.

Not surprising is it. It's straight out of the entry-level politician handbook. Fueling racism and working the public into a frenzy has always been a great distraction.