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O MARINA · 05-20-2010, 07:24 AM

Thread = Fail

NATS

czarina · 05-20-2010, 07:32 AM

darn, and I just ran out of pop corn this morning!

J. Falcon · 05-20-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sicone

LOL... thanks for the laugh, retard

Relentless · 05-20-2010, 07:36 AM

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troncarver · 05-20-2010, 07:41 AM

daizzzy is the biggest fail i have seen in a while - just saying

tonyparra · 05-20-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by troncarver

daizzzy is the biggest fail i have seen in a while - just saying

yeah but sbd not a bad resource for all ccbill programs

papill0n · 05-20-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

yeah but sbd not a bad resource for all ccbill programs

dont you make sandwiches ?

MrDeiz · 05-20-2010, 09:45 PM

ok. now it's official. nats- sucks

sicone · 05-20-2010, 09:52 PM

Thank goodness we now have your official opinion.

harvey · 05-20-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone

Thank goodness we now have your official opinion.

PornMD · 05-20-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

Or he will bullshit you in case of any issue

So that's my part of the story. The whole drama started by John it's based on personal relations and there's nothing what could be explained in biz words. So grab your pop-corn and enjoy

I have contacted John about getting every NATS program listed as we did it with CCBill (it was my initiative and i didn't cooperate with CCBill that way). Why i didn't want to do it on the first place with NATS - because if CCBill program dies out i still get payment from CCBill. With NATS it's different and i don't trust as much NATS programs as CCBill. I also can be sure that the traffic i and other webmasters send won't be fucked by program owner. So i figured out we with TMM will both benefit by such cooperation - they buy ads so people see we are cooperating and i'll do my regular job (i hoped that ads will be a good sign for big corporations). Actually webmasters are visiting Signbucks Daily because there's no other such directory with so many programs in it. He agreed and that's where everything begin.

First there was delay in a month before they paid and another month before they have their banner up. I was freaked out why it takes so long to get any reply from him. i messaged him a few times what's the status of our coop and stuff like that and always get reply from him in a few hours or even days. In a few weeks he told me that Vlad is on vacations and he's the one to operate the campaign on NATS side. I was like - couldn't you tell me that before so we will be ok? In a few weeks Vlad came back and it took another few weeks to have their banner done. No communication or anything, though the campaign should be started like a month and something ago (in the way i do it with other people). Finally one day I got that banner, put it up. Then it was another minor issue with emailing nats clients about the option of getting listed when again we have agreed it will be done to announce the deal. And once it was announced at XBiz and boards it appeared it will be done in a few weeks (they have their flying schedule, though from the conversation i thought it'll be done once the campaign will be active). Another misunderstanding, but finally everything got ok.

So the first month was ok, i've sent a report on nats programs i've listed and updated and attached invoice. I've asked if it's possible to pay upfront or pick up different payment method for monthly payments because it's very inconveniet for me to cash-in checks. I first contacted John, then Vlad and in a week after invoice was delayed i got a response from Vlad that monthly invoice was paid. In the next day or two i got reply that they don't want campaign anymore because "no, you pulled it off ridiculously, i have no interest in renewing it".

The bottom line is that we have announced the deal on getting every NATS program listed. So there were some promises and i was mad because now i wouldn't be able to deliver it (i'm was always a guy of the word). It was a few times during our communication when i pointed to lack of one to John and Vlad. And it resulted into this drama. It was my first experience where i was treated that bad with a partner. So it was lack of communication on their side and 'ridiculously pulled' campaign on mine. We don't like each other, but we could overcome this minor issues, though John didn't want and made it public

Actually i didn't expect TMM/NATS will behave that cheap way. I've dealt with many advertisers at Signbucks Daily and there was no issue until yet.

Anyway this drama doesn't hurt me, you just promote my site. So thx for doing it. There's no room at Signbucks Daily for any kind of shit. I simply list all affiliate programs, monitor all the changes so webmasters are comming for that stuff. It's important for their biz.

About TMM and your products. NATS has number of issues as a product. TMM also is not the best company in public opinion because all that drama you got involved yourself over the years. This recession in the industry must be hitting you especially hard, so that's why you are so mad i guess. And arguing with media isn't the best way to do biz.

Anyway i'm not going to bash NATS or TMM anywhere for no reason. All my posts are and were unbiased, the same is all the stuff at Signbucks Daily. I'll just point to the real issues NATS got in affiliate perspective where it's needed (actually that's what makes you mad). But John, i just criticize your product for the real stuff. There's nothing personal and there's no attack, once you improve your product so there will be no issues with it - you'll hear nothing from me.

This drama is made from nothing and it'll result in timeloss from both of us. I've clearly explained myself. Hit me up on icq and let's figure out how to resolve it from this point.

Ahh. And btw $150 is ads rate at SBD. That's where that amount came from. It's not like it costs $150 to get listed ;)

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Jack Sparrow · 05-20-2010, 11:58 PM

Daizzy shooting herself in the foot again and again.

LeRoy · 05-21-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

my personal conflict with John isn't the reason to remove any nats program from the list. actually he just offers a script and other people stand behind each particular program.

every established nats program i respect like ddf cash, kinky$, ddg cash, shemale profits etc is listed already. the new ones were in question, that's what pushed me to have a deal with them.

my real opinion is that a guy which got content (those are usually ones starting new programs) can't start with nats. he won't be able to run it. that's what practice actually shows.

so only new nats programs are in question. if solid people will stand behind any new nats program it'll be listed

If you list nats sites @ SBD. You are supporting nats

Mike Dutch · 05-21-2010, 12:14 AM

nice add to my ignore list. what a waste of time was this thread

PXN · 05-21-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

If you list nats sites @ SBD. You are supporting nats

He can't afford not to. There is too many program using NATS.

harvey · 05-21-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PXN

He can't afford not to. There is too many program using NATS.

BAKO · 05-21-2010, 02:24 AM

Your site never loads for me

MrDeiz · 05-26-2010, 01:19 AM

Isn't it too radical for one mail? )
Will be interesting to see how this will resolve/result
The only good news I see - Orgycash is partnering with Payserve

Follow original list of changes over here: http://www.signbucksdaily.com/adult-...rtant-changes/

Quote:

Dear Orgycash Affiliates,

We have big news that we're excited to announce today as we've just
finished massively improving and updating of our network of sites,
Orgymax! The new and greatly improved version can now be found at
Tainster.com with all the same great content as before plus a whole
lot more! Please check out Tainster.com for yourself and get familiar
with everything it has to offer - all the same sites as Orgymax, plus
live shows, webcam shows, all our DVDs, chat rooms, third party
content soon to come, and a community section with a lot of the bells
and whistles that are a must on the net today and that we hope will
help retain members.

The issue that most concerns our affiliates is changes to the billing
setup for Tainster.com. As Tainster has been developed as a
pay-as-you-go credit system, with various types of live shows with
different rates and third party content soon to come, which will mean
those content producers will be getting their own cut of the revenue,
we had to change our payout system. Here is the breakdown (which will
make more sense once you get familiar with Tainster.com):

Webmaster Commission:
25% Senior Webmaster - more than 500 transactions in a month
20% Junior Webmaster - 500 or less transactions per month

RevShare:
5% of total earnings from referred webmasters, affiliates

Considering members are not limited to the flat rate system as they
were on the old Orgymax monthly membership format, there's much
greater potential for earning way more money than before!

Now you're definitely asking, what about all my affiliate links to
anything Orgymax related!? Not to worry, everything has been rerouted
to Tainster and nothing will change in that regard. We will be working
on changing our affiliate program in the weeks to come, but as for now
everything still works as it did before. We are working on partnering
up with Payserve, who will financially power our new affiliate
program, meaning you'll have more payout options than are currently
offered. Payserve is a well-established company that we have worked
with in the past and as such they are our trusted partner.

All of your current signups will automatically be transferred to
Tainster and they will be grandfathered into the same price they are
paying now (but remember, they can also pay more if they choose to buy
extra credits for special features on Tainster.com) in a special
monthly flat rate.

Orgymax will be no more as of June 1st , and as of today new
members cannot sign up to any Orgymax sites, but rather they will be
redirected to Tainster.com. We've been hard at work on Tainster for
quite some time and are very excited to launch it! We recognized the
need to keep of with the times in order to boost and help retain
memberships, and we're confident Tainster.com will result in much
better business for all of us! For you bigger webmasters and content
producers out there we're also working on setting up a system for
whitelabel solutions and much more, so stay tuned for more information
to come and a new and improved affiliate program!

We appreciate all of your efforts promoting us and keep up the great work!

MrDeiz · 05-26-2010, 01:22 AM

fuck, was in a rush and bumped the wrong thread ))
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=963135&page=2

NinjaSteve · 05-26-2010, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

does the seed come out and then pop, or are you firing out the actual piece of popped corn? it looks painful

I think right when it pops it shoots out. So some where in that stick body there's some kernels being heated up.

NinjaSteve · 05-26-2010, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

www.webmasterscore.com

Fully functional complete reviews of 100s of programs searchable by many objective criteria. It even let's you put 5 programs up on the same page for head to head comparisons.

Nice. I'm going to add my program to this list.

Jack Sparrow · 05-26-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

Isn't it too radical for one mail? )
Will be interesting to see how this will resolve/result
The only good news I see - Orgycash is partnering with Payserve

Follow original list of changes over here: http://www.signbucksdaily.com/adult-...rtant-changes/

If its so radical, why did you feel the need to hide your referlinks on every single link on it.

Fucksake thats sad... You never take a break from spamming?

Ps. www.webmasterscore.com, THAT is a review site we need to promote!

closer · 05-26-2010, 08:49 AM

Ps. www.webmasterscore.com, THAT is a review site we need to promote![/QUOTE]

I agree, great sorting functionality

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