I am getting so TIRED of hearing Adapt or Die around here regarding....
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No way. See here's the thing.
You know (maybe guys don't?) how strippers have regular guys, the johns that will come see them regularly and want to fantasize like she is their girlfriend? Well the best strippers cater to these guys and milk them for all they can. Some even "date" these guys.
Well cam girls have the same thing. REGULAR CUSTOMERS. You're just not going to get that with a pay site, tube site, or anything else online.
Rebills < Webcam Johns
No chick with half a brain is going to spend hours on a free cam site and give that away. Now for $1 - $3 a minute or so, yeah she'll be his GFE online anytime! That cycle will never end. New girls, new johns, new cheddar for the site owner.
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i blame tubes for allTubes. This is a Cop-Out saying. If you don't join the other thieves by building your own tube sites, you will not die, nor go out of business.
If torrent sites are giving away free Mainstream movies, does this mean Michael Bay should build his own Torrent site to adapt? Exactly.
Instead of a Tube Site, we built a Cams Site, It converts great, We pay out a shit load of money to affiliates, and at the end of the day. We are proud. As I mentioned last week on Mother's Day, we broke our Sales Record and every day keeps on getting better. There is still a lot of money to be made in this business, even without owing your own tube.
There are lots of companies here that don't have tube sites that do just fine. We are one of them. I'm not going to stoop that low and follow the path everyone used to fuck up our own industry. You don't need a tube site to survive. I rather make less money in this business and have pride.
Anyways, thought I would share.
For those of you that don't have a Tube Site. Congrats!!!Comment
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I think the confusion there was because you broke that point up between your title and post.
Starting a cam site is your way of adapting. Cams and Dating sites have always been ways to adapt to tube sites because tube sites are decimating traditional picture and video sites. So if you have traditional picture and video sites you have the following options to "adapt":
1. Start a dating site
2. Start a cam site
3. Make deals with the tube sites and promote your content there, you will be making the overall problem worse but you will be helping yourself by getting more sales.
4. Start your own tube site and feature your content there
5. Make your picture and video site more INTERACTIVE. This would work great for solo girl sites, have the girl do weekly cam shows, forum for her members, take special requests, have a blog, etc... anything that causes more interaction and stuff that can't be stolen.
So what were your ideas to "adapt" if you wouldn't have started a cam site?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I'm willing to give anyone with a cam site the best advice they could ever get for a small fee if they want to have a top 5 ranked cam site. And if they are already in the top 5 I can help them go to #1 and stay there by doing things their competitors haven't even thought of yet.I was kind of thinking the same thing. CyberAge killed the AVS game, but that was 100 years ago in Internet years. You guys are like 5+ years late to the Cams game and from what I hear your half-baked cam site does not convert for shit. This thread is clearly an attempt to pump up your struggling cam site.
In all seriousness. Which one of your sites gets the most traffic? According to Alexa...
CamsNetwork.com: 117,119
Cyberage.com: 527,062
Ugas.com: 227,621
These are the sites in your sig so I assume they are your best sites. Do you have sites with more traffic? If so, what are they?
Your competitors...
LiveJasmin: 40
Streamate: 232
ImLive: 1,294
Cams: 1,333
MyFreeCams: 1,644
Sexier: 5,704
Flirt4free: 5,757
Webcams: 6,374
iFriendsv2: 10,523
WebcamClub: 13,466
PrivateCamz: 17,470
SecretFriends: 19,023
PrivateFeeds: 48,473
You...
CamsNetwork: 117,119
These numbers do not take into account the hundreds of whitelabels/skins that your competitors have.
I have seen people on this forum with far more experience in the Cams game than you try to give you advice for how to change up your site to make it better, but you do not seem interested in listening to them or anyone. Maybe you know everything about the now obsolete AVS game, but you have a lot to learn about Webcams...
I hope you take what I am saying as constructive criticism and improve things and hold off on bragging until you actually have something to brag about. If you continue to act like you know everything then CamsNetwork is going to end up being just another dead cam site
ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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You are comparing our Cams site to these?I was kind of thinking the same thing. CyberAge killed the AVS game, but that was 100 years ago in Internet years. You guys are like 5+ years late to the Cams game and from what I hear your half-baked cam site does not convert for shit. This thread is clearly an attempt to pump up your struggling cam site.
In all seriousness. Which one of your sites gets the most traffic? According to Alexa...
CamsNetwork.com: 117,119
Cyberage.com: 527,062
Ugas.com: 227,621
These are the sites in your sig so I assume they are your best sites. Do you have sites with more traffic? If so, what are they?
Your competitors...
LiveJasmin: 40
Streamate: 232
ImLive: 1,294
Cams: 1,333
MyFreeCams: 1,644
Sexier: 5,704
Flirt4free: 5,757
Webcams: 6,374
iFriendsv2: 10,523
WebcamClub: 13,466
PrivateCamz: 17,470
SecretFriends: 19,023
PrivateFeeds: 48,473
You...
CamsNetwork: 117,119
These numbers do not take into account the hundreds of whitelabels/skins that your competitors have.
I have seen people on this forum with far more experience in the Cams game than you try to give you advice for how to change up your site to make it better, but you do not seem interested in listening to them or anyone. Maybe you know everything about the now obsolete AVS game, but you have a lot to learn about Webcams...
I hope you take what I am saying as constructive criticism and improve things and hold off on bragging until you actually have something to brag about. If you continue to act like you know everything then CamsNetwork is going to end up being just another dead cam site
I take that as a compliment, Thank you.
LiveJasmin: 40
Streamate: 232
ImLive: 1,294
Cams: 1,333
MyFreeCams: 1,644
Sexier: 5,704
Flirt4free: 5,757
Webcams: 6,374
iFriendsv2: 10,523
WebcamClub: 13,466
PrivateCamz: 17,470
SecretFriends: 19,023
PrivateFeeds: 48,473
You don't get it and I don't think you will. But thank you for trying to explain.Comment
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You know your shit. It would be money well spent.I'm willing to give anyone with a cam site the best advice they could ever get for a small fee if they want to have a top 5 ranked cam site. And if they are already in the top 5 I can help them go to #1 and stay there by doing things their competitors haven't even thought of yet.
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You ignored every issue I brought up and then resorted to personal attacks. Exactly what I have seen you do in other posts where people gave your advice. Your arrogance is going to be the death of CyberAge and CamsNetwork. Mark my words
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These are not things you HAVE to do to adapt, these are things you do because you enjoyI think the confusion there was because you broke that point up between your title and post.
Starting a cam site is your way of adapting. Cams and Dating sites have always been ways to adapt to tube sites because tube sites are decimating traditional picture and video sites. So if you have traditional picture and video sites you have the following options to "adapt":
1. Start a dating site
2. Start a cam site
3. Make deals with the tube sites and promote your content there, you will be making the overall problem worse but you will be helping yourself by getting more sales.
4. Start your own tube site and feature your content there
5. Make your picture and video site more INTERACTIVE. This would work great for solo girl sites, have the girl do weekly cam shows, forum for her members, take special requests, have a blog, etc... anything that causes more interaction and stuff that can't be stolen.
So what were your ideas to "adapt" if you wouldn't have started a cam site?
this business and making money.
We started the cam site because we always wanted a cam site. Not because we wanted to Adapt to Anything. If we didn't build the Cam Site, we still have everything else we run which is still doing great. My point is not everyone would DIE as everyone calls it.Comment
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NO, actually you are basing my company and my company sales by your traffic source which people don't do. So the arrogance is on your part. It's not a personal attack but if you aren't sitting with my CFO, you really don't know what goes on. So please don't speculate.Comment
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Dave to be honest he makes some good points. You guys obviously are pro's with AVS sites but when it comes to cams you are venturing into something that you know very little about. There is a lot more to building a successful cam site than creating a site around cams.com's models, showing the chathost profiles, and selling cam credits. You could do so much more. Using one of your competitors models limits you big time on what you can do with the site. It also makes affiliates wonder why they would want to use you vs cams.com.You are comparing our Cams site to these?
I take that as a compliment, Thank you.
LiveJasmin: 40
Streamate: 232
ImLive: 1,294
Cams: 1,333
MyFreeCams: 1,644
Sexier: 5,704
Flirt4free: 5,757
Webcams: 6,374
iFriendsv2: 10,523
WebcamClub: 13,466
PrivateCamz: 17,470
SecretFriends: 19,023
PrivateFeeds: 48,473
You don't get it and I don't think you will. But thank you for trying to explain.
Obviously these posts are self promoting your site, which is props to you on that most people didn't catch it. (nothing wrong with doing that). But telling people we had record sales really doesn't tell people much.
Not sure who you have on your team that is a pro with cams that is helping you but I've talked to you and offered to give you every bit of cam knowledge I have every learned to help you build a site that will rival livejasmin, myfreecams, streammates. I've offered to do this for a small fee (about the cost of a set of tires for one of your sports cars), that I would also refund to you if you didn't see value in what I put together. Maybe you like the quick and easy approach of what you have now vs a full blown cam site, or maybe you think you have all the answers and don't need help, or maybe you think I don't know shit. I don't know. But I can relate and understand where the previous poster was coming from with his comments.
I have all of this knowledge on cam sites that I would love to see put into use and explode a cam company to the top, but all of the cam sites either think they know it all, happy where they are at, don't want to spend a couple bucks for help, or think I don't have the answers. I can tell them this much though, if I wanted to make a dating site (which I don't know much about) and someone approached me who has sent over 100K dating signups over the years, have owned their own dating site etc... and offered to help, I would drain every bit of info I could out of that person.Last edited by will76; 05-17-2010, 07:42 AM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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