Learn how to legaly sh*ve affiliate sales in 2010!!!

[Dreamteam]

Terms and Service @ GFProfits.com
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5. Our PPS (Pay Per Signup) Program is available on a limited basis. The "Pay Per Sale" Payouts are reserved for Credit Card Joins made through our Private Merchant Accounts ONLY. ACH Check, PureVanilla, TrustCash, NetCash, Password By Phone, CCbill, SEGpay and any other 3rd Party, Prepaid, or Dialer Biller will give affiliates no payouts.



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[Paul Markham]

Fucked up and a reason to read the small print.

[CunningStunt]

They are herein renamed gofuckyourselfprofits.com

[Robocrop]

Idiots will keep promoting them anyway.

[seeandsee]

its really getting too shady to make cash

[Dreamteam]

Just for the records .. here it is:
gfprofits.com/terms.html

[BIGTYMER]

I'm glad I don't use them.

[TeenCat]

i am using everywhere revshare. i feel like thief making pps sales on trials with no rebills or with refunds, and i am still getting money ...

[BIGTYMER]

http://gfprofits.com/terms.html

10. In order to receive your first affiliate payment, you need to contact us at [email protected]. At that time we will review your account and issue your payment. This step is an additional level of fraud prevention, which ensures that we are able to pay our affiliates on time and with the highest payouts possible.

[GirlsOnYou]

wow.. what a horrible program.

[selena]

Um...it's early for me, and that is pretty eye opening.

[Spudman]

Just started promoting them the other day, looks like I'll have to pull the PPS links, is their rev share ok?

[BIGTYMER]

Just started promoting them the other day, looks like I'll have to pull the PPS links, is their rev share ok?

You really want to risk it? Do a test trans.

[Miguel]

hm weird terms

[Spudman]

You really want to risk it? Do a test trans.

True, I did see the other thread about them not paying also so guess I'll pull all links. It's a shame as their sites look nice.

[Dreamteam]

For example: ... It is possible to take down their "own" marchant account a couple hours here and there and voila shaving % goes up even more. All 100% legaly.

By the way GFprofits is using "Nats" ...
I thought it was not possible to shave with Nats?

The moral of this story is that Creative souls can "ALWAYS" shave ... also with NATS.

Question is .. how many other affiliate programs use these "creative" technics?


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[TeenCat]

you are talking about morals, and i bet you are choosing highest pps with consoles and crossales where its possible ... your surfers must be enjoying your morals ...

[Dreamteam]

you are talking about morals, and i bet you are choosing highest pps with consoles and crossales where its possible ... your surfers must be enjoying your morals ...

TeenCat ... "You bet"? ... Hopefully you don't make a lot of bets like this.

Anyway it doesn't matter what I use. But np ill answer your question.
I have 70% of my traffic on refshare and 30% PPS.

Also there is nothing wrong with a PPS deal itself ..

[Dirty Dane]

What's the default biller?

[Roald]

Thanks, now I need to hire someone again to go through all 1700 sponsor accounts we have to read the fine prints lol

[Denny]

That's not good

Glad I don't promote them

[MrDeiz]

Thanks, now I need to hire someone again to go through all 1700 sponsor accounts we have to read the fine prints lol

you don't have to
follow this simple list http://www.signbucksdaily.com/marketing/blacklist/

[Dreamteam]

Thanks, now I need to hire someone again to go through all 1700 sponsor accounts we have to read the fine prints lol

LOL

[BIGTYMER]

True, I did see the other thread about them not paying also so guess I'll pull all links. It's a shame as their sites look nice.

I signed up to promote their $100 PPS day and bought ad space on a few sites only to find out that they decided not to do the $100 PPS day without giving any notice. I also didn't get any sales and I read a few days later they said they were having link tracking issues... Its just one thing after the next with them. I'm done with them.

[BlackCrayon]

hmm, where are they now?>>

[BIGTYMER]

What's the default biller?

EPGBill.

With a $1 charge and two $39.91 cross sales. It also doesn't state what the $1 renews at.

[u-Bob]

ouch

[LoveSandra]

I'm glad I don't use them.

[escorpio]

you don't have to
follow this simple list http://www.signbucksdaily.com/marketing/blacklist/

gracias

[Kenny B!]

By the way GFprofits is using "Nats" ...
I thought it was not possible to shave with Nats?

The moral of this story is that Creative souls can "ALWAYS" shave ... also with NATS.

If not paying anyone is a way of shaving then of course you can shave using nats. Not paying isn't shaving it's fraud!

[pornguy]

So now you need a girlFriend site to Replace them.

With Us PPS, it means just that. PAY PER SIGN UP!
RAGECASH




RAGECASH with 35$ PPS

[Jack Sparrow]

I keep wondering how some people can pay 70%, $150 pps (AND have $1 trials). Especially with the new visa rules on crossselling, it cant be like that much longer.

[MrDeiz]

Idiots will keep promoting them anyway.

... and keep posting 'i'm not paid' threads as well

[Barefootsies]

Put daizzzy on da case.

[Dirty Dane]

I can't see why you call it shaving2010 though. Shaving is when you offer alternative payment methods or on declines and not notify the affiliate about potential lost credit. That is done by many and done for a long time.

[RaiderCash_Dominik]

who owns gfprofits.com ?

[andrej_NDC]

So where to send? To a sponsor making 5 per cents per click and beeing super honest with counting everything or to a sponsor who makes me 10 cents per click and shaves some sales? I only care about the amounts.

[Slick]

I honestly don't think they're shaving because since I've been promoting them, I'm 1:166 unique ratio with them and 154 signups. IF they are shaving an I'm getting that kind of ratio still, let them shave away, ha ha.

I'll admit, I hounded them for my last payment, as well as a couple of others, but it was said to be bank issues for the delay. I did get paid in the end, so I'm happy.

[will76]

If not paying anyone is a way of shaving then of course you can shave using nats. Not paying isn't shaving it's fraud!

It's shaving when you can turn something on and off to not pay people. In this case it sounds like they can turn something on so the affiliates don't get credit for the sales, they can do this a couple hours a day if they wanted to. = shaving.

All shaving is fraud.

[widget]

I'll admit, I hounded them for my last payment, as well as a couple of others, but it was said to be bank issues for the delay. I did get paid in the end, so I'm happy.

I'm still hounding them for that payment. btw your next pay date has already come and gone.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=967117

[Darkcrni]

WOw....thx for the info!

[Slick]

I'm still hounding them for that payment. btw your next pay date has already come and gone.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=967117

As far as the next pay date coming and going, it's actually not due yet, only the 6th today, so there's a couple of days for them to make it.

I'm sorry to those that aren't getting paid, maybe it's some of the bigger webmasters that they're taking care of and not paying some of the smaller guys. I'm just posting how they've treated me. I've got a webmaster friend that also got paid around the same time as me and his payment was extremely big.

[Caligari]

So now you need a girlFriend site to Replace them.

With Us PPS, it means just that. PAY PER SIGN UP!
RAGECASH




RAGECASH with 35$ PPS

looks like a good one!

[widget]

As far as the next pay date coming and going, it's actually not due yet, only the 6th today, so there's a couple of days for them to make it.

From their homepage...

sales sent 1st-15th of the month
payouts sent on 4th

sales sent 16th-31st of the month
payouts sent on 21st

I'm sorry to those that aren't getting paid, maybe it's some of the bigger webmasters that they're taking care of and not paying some of the smaller guys. I'm just posting how they've treated me. I've got a webmaster friend that also got paid around the same time as me and his payment was extremely big.

I'm happy you got paid; I wasn't because of a NATS issue.

[fuzebox]

EPGBill.

With a $1 charge and two $39.91 cross sales. It also doesn't state what the $1 renews at.

I signed up to promote their $100 PPS day

So I'm confused, you don't like cross sales, or you don't like big payouts, which is it?

[angelsofporn]

Getting my payments on time.. And i believe they only have merchant and segpay so that stuff probably isn't even applicable as i see joins come in for both merc and segpay.

[ATL_Ryan]

Terms and Service @ GFProfits.com
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5. Our PPS (Pay Per Signup) Program is available on a limited basis. The "Pay Per Sale" Payouts are reserved for Credit Card Joins made through our Private Merchant Accounts ONLY. ACH Check, PureVanilla, TrustCash, NetCash, Password By Phone, CCbill, SEGpay and any other 3rd Party, Prepaid, or Dialer Biller will give affiliates no payouts.



Cool

This was done by an old employee and I was not aware of this. First off we don't even have ACH Check, PureVanilla, TrustCash, NetCash, Password By Phone, CCbill, SEGpay and any other 3rd Party, Prepaid, or Dialer Biller. Never have.

Only Segpay and merchant period. This is not correct and is being changed now.

[ATL_Ryan]

For payments we were swtiching to webmasterchckes and then you know what happened..but all checks and wires are 1200% up to date..just epasses partial batch which should be out this morning.

[Dreamteam]

So where to send? To a sponsor making 5 per cents per click and beeing super honest with counting everything or to a sponsor who makes me 10 cents per click and shaves some sales? I only care about the amounts.

Ouch, and that statement is comming from a sponsor ...
So fraud is ok as long as ya make more money? Is that what ya say?

Lemme explain some things to you ... A sponsor is responsible to have a good quality membersarea. 95% of all chargebacks happen because the members ain't happy about what they've paid for. Whos fault is that? The affiliate ?????????

When I send you a PPS sale then it is YOUR responsibility to make that you convert him. And then still some assholes dare to take the fee back from the affiliate after someone did a chargeback.

When the signup was a fraud then no problem .. but when the member did a chargeback because he found a memberarea nothing to do with all promised on the paysite then I'm not amused.

And no I don't check membersareas on PPS .. I don't give a fuck ... thats why it is PPS.
When the memberarea is ok and I believe in a good rebill for that product then ofcourse I go refshare.

PPS payout rates need to be calculated by the sponsor based on the average rebills per signup.

So high PPS payouts are possible WHEN they have a high rebill %. Ya can only have that with a fucking great members area.

Other sponsors have the same PPS payouts, but they don't give a fuck about their membersarea. They use other "tactics" to get give high payouts and to get what they want.

In this case it doesn't matter if they use this tactics or not ... fact is that they have a rule in their terms witch they can use against you whenever they want. If you tell me they don't do it, then why do they have it in their "terms" to start with? Maybe only to a certain group of affiliates? ... I don't say it is, I say it is possible.
Again who wrote those terms? And for what reason?

Just my

[Dreamteam]

For payments we were swtiching to webmasterchckes and then you know what happened..but all checks and wires are 1200% up to date..just epasses partial batch which should be out this morning.

Look dude, I don't promote your program. I was just checking it out the other day and it took my attention. Man you only have 10 rules in your terms so it is not that this 1 term was buried at page 15 in the middle of 50 other terms.

But if ya say it is a mistake then who am I.


I know that most people never read the terms when they sign up as an affiliate.
But as ya can see sometimes people agree with "special" things without knowing.