Thanks I appreciate it! will def hit you up.

So you don't believe me that he didn't deliver the program that we paid for?

I'm headed out for a bit. While I'm gone, you may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. :2 cents:

classic



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Mike was hired to provide us with a cam program + admin, he had lots of time to do it and all the resources he needed. He has been paid in full (plus more), has not finished the project, does not intend to.

So how can you state that he did not scam me.

His excuse is that I "vanished" to Vancouver... VANCOUVER IS NOT A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY WITHOUT THE INTERNET!

I tried to contact him so many times to get the finished project, but his wife's excuse was that he needed other work to pay the bills (all she wanted was for me to send more money, so they could drag it out longer).

quote for answers...
besides some timeframe inaccuracies (which can happen given long time and frustration), it certainly shit looks to me like the programmer didn't deliver what was paid for, and so why is AaronM taking the limelight to defend this guy?

Wow, this shit is just all over the place.

I guess to try and make this productive 2 questions for Ben-

1. Does Mike have the resources to complete the project for you- ie a payment processor to integrate and a server to host on?

2. If these resources can be provided on your end to him will you be statisfied with a completed project?

Too much time has passed, you can't really expect a refund or a complete re-write to make a two year old project current, but if you can provide te resources and he finishes the project you might be able to launch the product and make enough to get your $$ back and hire someone else to update your platform.

1. You are not getting the Money back
2. You've pissed off the guy who worked on it, so Id say your chance of getting it fixed, finished or worked on went from 1% to 0%


Why waste your time on a fucking message board? Either sue him or move on. Yapping on here wont help unless your goal is to gain support from other board members....If thats the case, Id say you are moving further and further away from your goal with every post, lol.

rent-a-coder dot com is great for mainstream (I have four such sites: travel, credit cards, smoking accessories and cruise vacations). Also eLance is great, or at least was. :)

if you were paid money to do a job, you do it, or you refund the money. If the guy that hired the programmer disappears for a while, why should he not expect a fully funcitoning what-was-paid-for script when he comes back?

I bought a second house two years ago, a new construction... I paid up a third for the order, a third midway, and a third on completion. The entire process took 14 months. The deadline was 12 months. That last third had 10k deducted from it for being late. But on payment of the third, the house keys were handed over to me.

If I'd have disappeared for 12 months dead, the constructor would have still handed over the keys to me, but one day over 12 months from completion date they'd have taken ownership of the house and I've have lost 2/3rds of the cost.

It's called a contract and most work the same way - you expect work to get done, not fucked around. In either direction, the one doing the fucking around will pay the price.

To me, it looks like the programmer was the one fucking around and *nothing* in this thread tells me otherwise.

I don't expect a refund, and I doubt very much that no matter what approach I took, he would't have finished it for me.

When I wrote this thread I was very frustrated, and used some words that I wish I didn't.
The truth is I think Mike69 is a good programmer, and I am sure he has many happy clients.

In the end we had a terrible experience with Mike69. I have learned many different lessons, and definitely won't make the same mistake twice.

pretty simple really :2 cents:

Ben,

Come on man, your not telling the whole story here. It was a nightmare trying to deal with you and your partner. You guys didn't have enough funds to start a project like this.
You were on the right track, Mike tried to guide you in the right direction so many times. He worked his ass off on that code, tried to hook you up with the right people. Hence~ Natnet and CCbill.

You guys were so flaky on payment's, you hardly ever made any full payments on time, always saying the "wire" was sent, days would go by...we couldn't get ahold of you and then you lost ur account with NatNet, disappeared and now all this time later, you sit and dwell on what could have been, broke and wishing you had done thing's differently.

Once you started disappearing on us, I told Mike don't do anything for him, until you have heard from him and the funds are in our bank account! See, Mike is wayyy to generous, I'm not. He has been know for helping people, and under bidding jobs....not knowing what kind of mess he will get into once he see's what he has to do to make thing's work or fix bad code. It's the way he is, it can be a good and bad thing....frankly it's one of the reason's I married him.

I can pull up convo's, bank statements ect.... It's been such a longtime, I don't want to spend my time dealing with it. All the lies, OMG... just tell everyone the truth, your partner had to have flaked on you. I really can't believe you would think you could just disappear after all this time, come on GFY and call "us" scammer's!! PLUS, don't use my real name on GFY, it's pretty much a given rule here. GFY peeps, know who's cool with "real names" and who's NOT!

I'm pretty much guessing you even owe Natnet $$, god knows they will never see that, and the 10k/15k... Dude, wake up! Your lies and disappearing on us isn't gonna save ya now.

What Mike decides to do on this deal, is 100% his choice. I wouldn't do a damn thing, that's me. Some people need to learn not to get over your head, if you got the funds, don't flake and tackle it with everything you got. You failed! Call me a bitch, or whatever u can come up with, I have been done with you for years.

Thank you ShellyCrash! Someone who reads between the BS.

Lexi,

WOW!! Are you serious? Do you not understand that me and Mike agreed on 10k from the very start?! We paid off the FULL balance, and still have not received the finished program. I am not going to sit here and call you a bitch, but if you are denying that then you are a liar.

Do you understand that wire payments sent from Canada to US can take 24-48 hours + sometimes?

We not only paid you guys the full amount agreed upon, we started sending you more money after because you guys wouldn't finish this project unless you had more money coming in. I am going to put together scanned documents of all the payments I sent you guys over that period, and I bet you about 15k thats its over 15 thousand dollars!

What does this even mean, done with me for years? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh We started this less then 3 years ago!

I don't really give a fuck what kind of excuses you are going to come up with. The fact is you guys never gave us what we paid for.

You are right that we didn't have the funds to take on such a huge project, but... we still paid you in full for the program which we never received.

so is AaronM fucking mike's wife ?

seems to be putting alot of effort into this thread :2 cents:

Not to mention the fact that, you made so many changes over and over. 24/48hrs on a wire yeah, I know.....but weeks? Whatever Ben. You haven't been telling the whole story, I feel like I'm dealing with a child here.

The fact that you keep lieing, makes me mad. I'm done outta here.

AaronM's my secret Big Daddy. Shhhh, don't tell!

WE PAID YOU IN FULL FOR THE PROGRAM, mike did not finish it for us. What do you not understand? Any additional payments we sent you were for mike to hurry the fuck up and fix what was wrong with the initial program.

If you really feel you were fucked simply take them to court. It's not rocket science.

True dat.

Did you get paid in full or not? That's really all that matters.

If you were paid in full, why does he have an incomplete product?

If you've got everything in place for Mike to finish it, payment has been made in full and and if Mike is willing to complete the project once he is in receipt of said info from Ben then this will be resolved.

The ball is in Mike's court, if Ben has everything in order there's really no reason not to finish the project. :2 cents:

Seems to me everyong screwed this deal up to be honest.

I have a problem with unknown people flat out lying and then casting accusations around about well known people.

Read the thread again and you will find that "Ben" can not seem to get his story straight. It changes with the wind. This shows me that Ben has a problem with communication and when you combine that with Mike's story about Ben vanishing then coming back..well..It seems pretty clear to me that Ben is the one who dropped the ball here.

Although Ben may have paid the money, I don't believe for even half a second that Ben was scammed. Sounds to me like Ben was a pain in the ass who vanished during the development process and is now crying about how things turned out.....12 years later or whatever that number is up to now.

Talk about it all you like...But if you ever release those photos........

Wow, what a crazy thread. For the balances you were dealing with, you really should have been using more than ICQ/AIM to communicate, especially when gaps of several months to years occured. At this point it seems you've aggitated Mike and his wife (who I agree you shouldn't have posted her first name on here) and will likely not get a resolution thru GFY. If you really feel like you've been wronged and for the balances you're claiming (which I can't seem to figure out for the life of me, $10k or $15k?), I'd go thru a lawyer.

Best of luck to you both.
WG

No actually I just want what I paid for. This "vanish" excuse is irrelevant, even though I tried contacting both of them several times when I was in Vancouver, and when I moved back.

Mike was a programmer we hired to create us a custom cam program, he wasn't a partner. I provided him with everything he needed to complete it.

Thanks!

We used phone to communicate mostly at first. After a while though (especially when the balance was paid), it was almost impossible to get a hold of either of them. But trust me in the beginning when money was owed Lexi and Mike where very easy to get a hold of.

Ok more research... its been a while...

First, the very first wire for $4k was on 12/12/07 not Oct.

From then till Sept it was not a matter of selling the software and installing, I was "working" with them, they wanted things changed,
added, customized and the site was resdesigned at least 3 times.

He was right, at this point there was no real usable web admin. Just database access, it was the models admin that need a couple of
more minor things.

But at this point they had a fully function cam system, complete with a huge number of custimizations ect.

I'm not generally in the habit of posting private ICQ logs, or really posting anything for that matter, and I removed anything that does
not directly relate to this thread.

It's a dead issue, I'm not waisting any more time on this.

Here is snippet from earlier
======================================
BenZino69 ?(6/29/2008 11:58 PM):
awsome.. so you have it setup as a guest nick how much time to they have before they get redirected?
Mike69 ?(6/29/2008 11:58 PM):
2min
Mike69 ?(6/29/2008 11:58 PM):
try it
BenZino69 ?(6/29/2008 11:58 PM):
k
BenZino69 ?(6/29/2008 11:59 PM):
ha cant try it with normal guest bella is blocked from NS
Mike69 ?(6/29/2008 11:59 PM):
lol
Mike69 ?(6/29/2008 11:59 PM):
let me disable for a sec
BenZino69 ?(6/30/2008 12:01 AM):
i maxed out my cc the other night on bella she was upstairs working lol
Mike69 ?(6/30/2008 12:01 AM):
lol
BenZino69 ?(6/30/2008 12:01 AM):
you got my mksg about not going in her room with matrix guy
Mike69 ?(6/30/2008 12:01 AM):
yes
Mike69 ?(6/30/2008 12:02 AM):
I won't be going in any models rooms.. lol
BenZino69 ?(6/30/2008 12:02 AM):
haha.. yeah i couldnt help it shes smokin hot..
Mike69 ?(6/30/2008 12:03 AM):
lol
==========================================
Posted above to show fully working cam system

Here is where the trouble started... {I deleted usless chat, but marked where and and what was deleted}
==========================================

BenZino69 ?(9/12/2008 9:15 PM):
here are all new server details
BenZino69 ?(9/12/2008 9:16 PM):
Main IP address: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
{server info deleted}
BenZino69 ?(9/12/2008 9:16 PM):
and ive saved everything from the other one
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:53 PM):
I got your info on the server
BenZino69 ?(9/13/2008 8:54 PM):
ok.. so whats next? I need the sitre back online even if its not functional right now just so the investors can stop bitchin
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:54 PM):
what all did you save from the other servers?
BenZino69 ?(9/13/2008 8:54 PM):
we wont be using that server when we go live just to work on the program for now
BenZino69 ?(9/13/2008 8:55 PM):
i saved the whole dir from the FTP
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:55 PM):
DB, Website code, Flash server code..?
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:55 PM):
waht about the database?
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:55 PM):
and the code from the two flash servers?
BenZino69 ?(9/13/2008 8:55 PM):
nope.. you dont have any of it?
{some convo about what he downloaded}
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:58 PM):
I have the base database but here were a lot of changes to yours
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:58 PM):
same with Flash code
BenZino69 ?(9/13/2008 8:59 PM):
shit how long will it take to update? we can pay u guys asap
BenZino69 ?(9/13/2008 8:59 PM):
id like to get everything working again before i leave to vancouver
Mike69 ?(9/13/2008 8:59 PM):
man I dunno... its gonna take a bit just to figure out whats missing
{some convo about where to setup in vancouver}
Bk cool thx ill check it out.. im just doing the budget spreadsheet for the investors now,, do you think you could start building the affil program in nov and it would be ready for end of mid dec/early jan?
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:18 AM):
oct we will use that month to fix everything up with the program we have now
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:18 AM):
convert etc
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:19 AM):
and could you do this for 5000$ total half first and rest when finished
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:20 AM):
that would help us oiut and i think its fair because we are paying freddy to do the admin area
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:22 AM):
k good and your going to program everything for us brand new, like you wont be using a old script?
Mike69 ?(9/14/2008 12:23 AM):
for affiliate?
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:23 AM):
yeah
Mike69 ?(9/14/2008 12:23 AM):
lol I don't have an affiliate script in php, only coldfusion, so yeah...
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:23 AM):
k cool
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:48 AM):
heres a questions k dec will be our most expensive month when we open the studio in vancouver and do all the setups, and im sure there will be alot more BS.. can we pay you the additional 2500$ Jan.1st that would be out of the 2nd quarter budget.. would help us out ALOT
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:48 AM):
everythings good just having troubles with Dec budget
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:51 AM):
so you would get 2500/nov.1st and 2500/jan.1st
BenZino69 ?(9/15/2008 2:56 AM):
hey Mike did you get the chance to check out what were missing?
Mike69 ?(9/15/2008 7:43 AM):
yeah lots lol
BenZino69 ?(9/15/2008 7:44 AM):
how much time will it take to fix?
Mike69 ?(9/15/2008 7:50 AM):
your missing all the code off two servers and I have to pick through it to see whats missing from database
BenZino69 ?(9/15/2008 7:51 AM):
no probs.. so are we screwed? or can you fix everything before you start the afil program in nov
Mike69 ?(9/15/2008 7:51 AM):
I can fix it... just gonna take time
Mike69 ?(9/15/2008 7:53 AM):
you should have sent me a message "Hey we are gonna dump the Nat Nets server what do I need to grab"
BenZino69 ?(9/15/2008 7:53 AM):
yeah i know i wasnt thinking i figured if i backed up everything from the ftp wed be ok

BenZino69 ?(9/15/2008 7:53 AM):
is this something freddy can help you with?
Mike69 ?(9/15/2008 7:54 AM):
that was only 1 server
BenZino69 ?(9/15/2008 7:57 AM):
do you have any clue how long it will take? and can freddy help? ill get you some money to get started
Mike69 ?(9/15/2008 7:59 AM):
no idea... maybe a week
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:44 AM):
Hey Mike you around?
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 3:44 AM):
yes
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:45 AM):
did you get started on that already?
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 3:45 AM):
not yet.. tieing up some loose ends
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:46 AM):
good.. ok well id rather wait until oct.1st to start this thats when we get out first monthes buget right now id have to spend my own money and i cant really afford to do that right now with the move
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:46 AM):
is that ok for you?
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:47 AM):
what ill do is take 5grand out of jan buget and use that to get everything fixed up the site and the php conversion and should have enough left to get freddy to do admin during oct
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:47 AM):
so afil is ready to get started in nov
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:49 AM):
we dont need the afil started until nov.1st so we have all of oct to fix everything up
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 3:49 AM):
well Tina deals with all that kinda stuff... but I'll let her know
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:50 AM):
shit she'll probaly be pissed just let her know that my move is gonna cost me like 5grand and if we do this oct i can use there money instead of mine
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 3:52 AM):
pissed is not the word.. lol
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:54 AM):
well thing is if i pay you the grand now thats comming out of my pocket plus once the job is done before oct ill have to pay the rest outta my pocket and ill most like be on the road at that point
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:54 AM):
so id like to keep everything organized
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:55 AM):
do you think if i sent her 500 that would help for now?
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 3:57 AM):
maybe ..lol
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 3:59 AM):
well i can send you 500 can you get everything fixed by oct.1st then start on the conversion ill send another 1250 when the job is done oct.1st
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 4:00 AM):
so 1750 total for this job i think thats fair for about a weeks of work plus we will be taking care of the admin
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 4:00 AM):
ok
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 4:00 AM):
k money will be in your acct once the bank opens.. thanks
Mike69 ?(9/16/2008 4:03 AM):
kk ttyl... when you leaving?
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 4:04 AM):
hopefuly fri just waiting to sign a few contracts and get the shares dealt with.. i booked a place in yaletown for oct and nov so i have to be there by the 1st
BenZino69 ?(9/16/2008 4:04 AM):
going to take me about 6 days driving 12 hours a day
{deleted more convo about where he was gonna live}
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 10:20 AM):
mike need to talk VERY important
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 10:53 AM):
got a way you can make some quick cash
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 10:53 AM):
hopefuly
Mike69 ?(9/17/2008 11:05 AM):
just getting up
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 11:07 AM):
k heres the deal man.. we have another guy who wants to invest with them and it would help us out big time but.... he wants to see the site
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 11:07 AM):
he doesnt want to see it funtioning like models on cam
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 11:07 AM):
just wants to see camtrix.com up
Mike69 ?(9/17/2008 11:08 AM):
ah...
Mike69 ?(9/17/2008 11:08 AM):
give me 10 minutes need to make coffee
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 11:08 AM):
ok ill be here
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 12:17 PM):
lwt mwe know if theres anything you can do
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 12:18 PM):
we just need like the index up and the subpages models online etc
Mike69 ?(9/17/2008 12:20 PM):
ok... I need a bit..
Mike69 ?(9/17/2008 12:21 PM):
can do in a bit
BenZino69 ?(9/17/2008 1:40 PM):
k thanks man this will help us big time
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 4:05 AM):
hey any clkue how long it will take to get camtrix back up for a few days
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 4:06 AM):
just main page really
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 7:12 AM):
whats your login for your domain register?
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:03 AM):
upload the source zip... I can view it but it won't unzip
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:04 AM):
let me know when its done
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:06 AM):
done
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:08 AM):
lol ok now this time upload everything you have
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:08 AM):
like the zip from the new design?
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:08 AM):
yes
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:08 AM):
the big one
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:09 AM):
ok give me 5
{delected some chat about mask TV & Internext}
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:28 AM):
was Tina pissed about the 500?
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:28 AM):
a little
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:29 AM):
uhh havnt heard from her.. well if we get this new guy we wont have any problems at all in next 3 monthes we will be able to pay you good for your work on time always
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:31 AM):
is it uploaded?
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:32 AM):
yeah forgot to tell u it has been for like 5min
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:32 AM):
ok
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:38 AM):
http://www.camtrix.com/
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:38 AM):
nothing works
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:39 AM):
thats perfect Miek exactly what we needed 1sec gotta call this guy
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:39 AM):
ok good cause that all I have time for right now
{delected some info on server details}
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:42 AM):
you login in with root
BenZino69 ?(9/18/2008 8:42 AM):
ok cook ty
Mike69 ?(9/18/2008 8:42 AM):
anyways.. back to other things... tc

BenZino69 ?(9/22/2008 7:12 PM):
camgirlscorner looks like its comming along nice
Mike69 ?(9/22/2008 7:12 PM):
I just sat down from dinner.. give me 15-20 minutes
BenZino69 ?(9/22/2008 7:12 PM):
k cool
BenZino69 ?(9/22/2008 7:19 PM):
can you call me or let me know when you can talk for few min ill call you
BenZino69 ?(9/22/2008 7:19 PM):
when your done supper
BenZino69 ?(9/22/2008 8:03 PM):
i got XXX here id like to talk to you for few min.. im leaving to van tommorow night
Mike69 ?(9/22/2008 8:05 PM):
ok you can call now
Mike69 ?(9/22/2008 8:48 PM):
ok sry about htat... kids bedtime
Mike69 ?(9/22/2008 8:48 PM):
call me

Thats was the last conversation I had with him until 2/20/2010


BenZino69 ?(2/20/2010 10:49 AM):
hey Mike hows it going?

I was out of town and he sent this before I logged into my laptop (saw it via GotoMyPC), on my laptop I replied, somethig like "Hey, whats up", no answer.

After returning home I got this.

BenZino69 ?(2/27/2010 7:34 PM):
hey Mike.. I had several adult programs go over the program you "customized" for me and they all told me it was made in the early 90's lol..
they have timestamps and there was alot of things wrong with it from the start.. anyways unless you can offer me some sort of refund on the
original payment.. im writing a big post on GFY about this with all our logs etc plus there are a few people on the that will back me up after
looking at this so called program .. up you Mike.. i have a guy going over the whole backup program and will have a big report ready for me
tommorow night on everything wrong with it if i dont hear from you tommorow night im postingthe specs...

{that put him on my mental ignore list}

Then I got...

BenZino69 ?(3/31/2010 12:37 PM):
Mike.. that program you made for us that we paid 12000$ for was incomplete .. you never even made us a admin panel

{still on my mental ignore list}

Then I got

BenZino69 ?(3/31/2010 12:39 PM):
its just really shitty how bad you took advantage of us, we were very naive and didnt know anything about the business..
but whatever man im sure karma will catch up to you

{still on my mental ignore list}

Why not finish the project or refund the money? It's really that simple.

"
He was right, at this point there was no real usable web admin. Just database access, it was the models admin that need a couple of
more minor things.

But at this point they had a fully function cam system, complete with a huge number of custimizations ect."

We paid you for any customizations you did for us. We paid you for a "fully function cam system" and a admin area. You did not deliver us with the admin.

Do you have any clue how hard it was to get a hold of you during the last of these logs? My main concern was finishing this program, because you didn't.

Foot in mouth now.... maybe I should post all my ICQ and MSN logs

BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:19 AM):
and could you do this for 5000$ total half first and rest when finished
BenZino69 ?(9/14/2008 12:20 AM):
that would help us oiut and i think its fair because we are paying freddy to do the admin area

Then you up a disappeared for a year and a 1/2

Go cry somewhere else...

Do you understand why we needed freddy to do the admin for us? Because you didn't do it in the first place!

My ICQ is 628 008 414 ... man up, you didn't complete the project we paid for ORIGINALLY.

Really? Then I don't know how PimpRoll does it. Whenever they (in Canada) have wired me (in the US) a payment, it always arrives exactly when they told me it would arrive. No muss, no fuss.