I've been programming a script for the last 6 months in full-time. If he was programming the thing all himself, 3 months was quite a challenge to finish this script.
How do you know he used a script that he programmed in 1998?

benn626,

In all honesty, you posting on GFY really makes no difference to me one way or the other.

but since you did, lets get some facts straight...

You hit me up after almost 2 yrs, and I responded, you then told me you were going to post on GFY that I sold you a program from 1998, and you wanted a refund. I promptly ignored you, sorry if your broke..

The cam system was an existing system that was already written, for the most part and you knew that.

After months of dealing with you, trying to use sub-par billers, even after I told you on numerous occasions you need to be CCBill or someone like, you closed up shop. NatNet Servers closed.

Then you tell me your heading to Vancouver to work with Mask TV, servers are shut down, and I don't hear from you for almost 2 yrs.

There is only person who has reason to bitch about me, and thats dready from http://www.adultimagebrokers.com.

Your so called friend must be a complete idiot, even bigger then you for posting this...

"I decided to show a friend of mine who is a mainstream php programmer everything he did for us so far. Within 10 minutes of my friend taking a look at the script, he said "you were ripped off", Mike sold us a non functional program he created in 1998. My friend told me that the code was so bad and old, that there was no point of even trying to fix it."

Heres a few facts...

On March 15, 2002, Macromedia released Flash Player 6. This version included all the functionality for a yet to be released server called Flash Communication Server MX.

Version 1.0 was released on 9 July 2002[1] and included all the basic features that make up the product, including the NetConnection, SharedObject and NetStream objects.

Version 1.5 was released on 27 March 2003[2] giving the server HTTP Tunneling, Linux support and a free developer edition.

Version 2.0 was released on November 15, 2005[3]. The server was renamed to Flash Media Server for this build to better illustrate what the server does; however, the version numbers were not reset. Version 2.0 brought support to stream the new video codec in Flash Player 8, On2?s VP6. However the Flash 8 client can still only encode to the Spark codec of version 6. Version 2.0 also introduced edge-origin servers, an optional enterprise architecture that simplifies load balancing. The server side Actionscript runtime also received updates with support for XML, XMLSocket, SOAP and File operations.

Version 3.0 was released on December 4, 2007[4].

Your cam system, the SAME one we are still using today (written in the summer/fall of 2007) was based on FMS ver 3. Which was not released until December 4, 2007.

Yes there were a few more things left to do in the admin, but they were minor.

Theres the facts, your NOT getting refund, just because you dropped the project and disappeared for almost 2 yrs.

where did u search for mainstream coders?

I stand slightly corrected, I had to dig out my old machine to have a look..

It was written for FMS 2, using Flex and the original site was done in Coldfusion.

Pascal, Coldfusion, PHP, Python, Actionscript ect.. somtimes forget whats written in what.

I seem to recall, talking about converting it to php, but that was not part of the original deal, but I did redo ours in php.

Screencaps, your kidding me... you were online and doing a few transactions, that you never got paid for.

I tend to show people what Im working on, when its not a big deal and there's no NDA, and there a few long time board members (almost as long as me) that I showed it too.

I couldn't run my business with a $60 gross.

Craighslist of all places.
Hired local for a few small jobs first to test them out, worked well.

I can second this, at least from my experience doing the same thing locally.

Mike, we had agreed on a fully functional cam program WITH a admin area for 10k.
Over those months I paid you over 15k for the program because your wife kept calling me saying there was no way you could finish without more money. I would send you 500$ here, 1000$ here, and I wouldn't be able to get a hold of you for weeks (because you were doing other work). The only reason my friend looked at the script is so he could try to fix the bugs to have it up and running when we couldn't get a hold of you.

The fact is we paid you the full amount plus more, and you didn't deliver what you agreed upon from the begging (a fully functional cam program with ADMIN). Can you provide me with this?

Personally, I think you're full of shit.

Your first posts claims you paid him a total of 10k but now you are claiming 15.

You also fucked up and posted personal info about his wife. If I were Mike, I would have your ass banned for that alone, not to mention calling him a scammer.

I've read Mike's response and it seams reasonable to me.

The program itself cost 10k (the original deal) once that was paid off, his WIFE (who i dealt with more then Mike) would call looking for additional money usually twice a week. Think what you want AaronM you have no clue the headache I went through dealing with these people. I would send payment and not be able to get a hold of either of them for weeks at a time, while paying for server cost, studio cost, and other expenses.... and in the end we never got what we paid for.

So...Somebody quotes you 10k and you go ahead and pay them an extra 5k after being unhappy about paying them the full 10k before the project is complete? Yeah, that makes sense. :thumbsup Then you vanish and shut your shit down for 2 years and come back wondering where your project is?

You've also posted business info that is related to those who run this board. Info that is not entirely accurate and info which should have also been kept private and has NOTHING to do with your situation.

Several years ago I was doing some ongoing business with a client. That client always paid me in full up front. The last payment they sent me was 4k. After the payment was received, the client simply vanished. In your eyes, if that client wanted to step back into the picture they could then call me a scammer for not delivering and keeping their money.

I'm not suggesting that you didn't pay Mike. I'm also not suggesting that he completed the project. What I am saying is that I do not believe that Mike scammed you and if he did, you're a fucking idiot for letting it drag out for so long.

I did not vanish, I moved to Vancouver for 7 months not 2 years. In that time I tried contacting Tina over MSN and Mike over ICQ about finishing the project, the only reply I got was that he was working on a project in LA.

This dragged on for so long because Mike did not finish the program. We kept sending them money because at this point we had invested so much that we just wanted the final product.

1: First you say 10k then you say 15.

2: You publicly post private and inaccurate business info concerning those who run this board.

3: You posted personal info about Mike's family.

4: Your complaint and storyline do not match up or stay consistent.


Mike's story seems plausible while yours simply doesn't add up.

What personal family info?

This personal family info.

How is it personal info if that's her name and that's who he dealt with?

I can follow on the other points, but that one just doesn't make sense. And sounds like someone twisting the text of the rules to get ensure someone gets banned.

He called Mike a scammer, not Mike's wife. If he wants to mention his wife then he should call her by her screen name. She posts here more than Mike does. Instead he posted her actual name which, since she did not publicly disclose it, is considered personal info.

So if it was Mike's accountant calling asking for money... that would be okay?

Somebody calls me asking for money, that isn't family business.

Ah okay, fair enough.

that can be hard

That depends on if Mike's accountant is an active member on GFY who has never publicly posted their real name or not. I don't recall the GFY rules saying anything about accountants but I'm fairly certain they do mention family.

Also, the dude says MIKE is the scammer. Then stick to the details of what MIKE did wrong. Who cares who called you asking for money? The dude paid the money to MIKE for work that he had hired MIKE to do.

Fact is that after 2 1/2 years (in total), Mike still hasn't sent us the program that we spent thousands of dollars on. He sent us a 10year old + Cold Fusion script with updated flash and NO ADMIN.

I am done posting about this, anytime he wants he can get in contact with me to send the final product.

ICQ - 628 008 414

Now you say 2.5 years and change your statement on what was actually delivered. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

STFU. :321GFY

He might not know her screename here. It's plausible.

They don't have what they paid for. The person is avoiding them and not making any attempt to right the situation.

All signs point to him being scammed in my book, but that's just my opinion.

Doesn't fucking matter. His problem is with Mike and he brought Mike's wife's name to the board.

Fuck him and his ever changing story.

AaronM I am not looking for any kind of acceptance from you, Mike knows he "scammed" me plain and simple.

All he did was send me a old shitty Cold Fusion script that he had spent a few hours updating the flash. I had made it VERY clear to him from the begging what exactly we expected from this program.

As far as bringing Mike's wife into this, she is who I dealt with the most (after payment was sent I could hardly ever get a hold of Mike), so I figure she has a little to do with this too.

Like I stated above in the end we got a half-ass program that was only 50% complete.

I don't know her screen-name on GFY, and my problem is with BOTH of them.

anytime some dude gets his wife involved with his biz it is almost then a 98% scam.

mike your buddy? what's the connection?

what's your connection to mike's wife? why stick up for someone out of the blue?

it looks like the op got scammed based on what's been posted so far.

I thought you said you were done here?

:thumbsup:thumbsup

If anything, he has had time on his side to finish this program for us. It doesn't take sherlock fuckin holmes to figure out that we did not receive what we paid for.

And my problem is that your story is not consistent, you bring other mis-informative info to the thread, and you posted personal info about somebodies family.

That's 3 strikes against you. Why the hell would anybody believe your side of the story at this point?

Since you're not concerned with "any kind of acceptance" from me, I suppose there is no reason for you to reply to me again.

It also doesn't take .5 years to figure that out.

Or 1.5

Or 2.5

Maybe it was 3.5?

yeah seems odd doesn't it?

You are completely right when it comes down to the time frame. I was wrong in the original post stating 1 2/2 years ago. We had sent the first payment Oct/2007. We also provided him with a ded server to work on, and everything else he would need to complete the project.

Should've used me man Woj! THE best! :)

But that really, really sucks man! I've had an issue or two with ppl I've paid upfront but we're talking, MAX, altogether now, maybe $2000 "wasted", and that's for 3 projects. Live and learn (the hard way). But 10k? Wow man, REALLY really sorry to hear that. You just got your PhD from the School of Hard Knocks.

Great good luck to you (and hit me up on ICQ if you ever need to rant to someone who started out like you did - with 0 experience in this Biz.)

I'm completely right about everything I have posted on this topic.

Maybe if you were more careful with your "facts" then I would be more inclined to believe your side of the story.