benn626

The program itself cost 10k (the original deal) once that was paid off, his WIFE (who i dealt with more then Mike) would call looking for additional money usually twice a week. Think what you want AaronM you have no clue the headache I went through dealing with these people. I would send payment and not be able to get a hold of either of them for weeks at a time, while paying for server cost, studio cost, and other expenses.... and in the end we never got what we paid for.

AaronM

So...Somebody quotes you 10k and you go ahead and pay them an extra 5k after being unhappy about paying them the full 10k before the project is complete? Yeah, that makes sense. Then you vanish and shut your shit down for 2 years and come back wondering where your project is?

You've also posted business info that is related to those who run this board. Info that is not entirely accurate and info which should have also been kept private and has NOTHING to do with your situation.

Several years ago I was doing some ongoing business with a client. That client always paid me in full up front. The last payment they sent me was 4k. After the payment was received, the client simply vanished. In your eyes, if that client wanted to step back into the picture they could then call me a scammer for not delivering and keeping their money.

I'm not suggesting that you didn't pay Mike. I'm also not suggesting that he completed the project. What I am saying is that I do not believe that Mike scammed you and if he did, you're a fucking idiot for letting it drag out for so long.

benn626

I did not vanish, I moved to Vancouver for 7 months not 2 years. In that time I tried contacting Tina over MSN and Mike over ICQ about finishing the project, the only reply I got was that he was working on a project in LA.

This dragged on for so long because Mike did not finish the program. We kept sending them money because at this point we had invested so much that we just wanted the final product.

AaronM

1: First you say 10k then you say 15.

2: You publicly post private and inaccurate business info concerning those who run this board.

3: You posted personal info about Mike's family.

4: Your complaint and storyline do not match up or stay consistent.


Mike's story seems plausible while yours simply doesn't add up.

Sly

What personal family info?

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This personal family info.

candyflip

How is it personal info if that's her name and that's who he dealt with?

I can follow on the other points, but that one just doesn't make sense. And sounds like someone twisting the text of the rules to get ensure someone gets banned.

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AaronM

He called Mike a scammer, not Mike's wife. If he wants to mention his wife then he should call her by her screen name. She posts here more than Mike does. Instead he posted her actual name which, since she did not publicly disclose it, is considered personal info.

Sly

So if it was Mike's accountant calling asking for money... that would be okay?

Somebody calls me asking for money, that isn't family business.

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Ah okay, fair enough.

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AaronM

That depends on if Mike's accountant is an active member on GFY who has never publicly posted their real name or not. I don't recall the GFY rules saying anything about accountants but I'm fairly certain they do mention family.

Also, the dude says MIKE is the scammer. Then stick to the details of what MIKE did wrong. Who cares who called you asking for money? The dude paid the money to MIKE for work that he had hired MIKE to do.

benn626

Fact is that after 2 1/2 years (in total), Mike still hasn't sent us the program that we spent thousands of dollars on. He sent us a 10year old + Cold Fusion script with updated flash and NO ADMIN.

I am done posting about this, anytime he wants he can get in contact with me to send the final product.

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AaronM

Now you say 2.5 years and change your statement on what was actually delivered.

STFU.

candyflip

He might not know her screename here. It's plausible.

They don't have what they paid for. The person is avoiding them and not making any attempt to right the situation.

All signs point to him being scammed in my book, but that's just my opinion.

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AaronM

Doesn't fucking matter. His problem is with Mike and he brought Mike's wife's name to the board.

Fuck him and his ever changing story.

benn626

AaronM I am not looking for any kind of acceptance from you, Mike knows he "scammed" me plain and simple.

All he did was send me a old shitty Cold Fusion script that he had spent a few hours updating the flash. I had made it VERY clear to him from the begging what exactly we expected from this program.

As far as bringing Mike's wife into this, she is who I dealt with the most (after payment was sent I could hardly ever get a hold of Mike), so I figure she has a little to do with this too.

Like I stated above in the end we got a half-ass program that was only 50% complete.

benn626

I don't know her screen-name on GFY, and my problem is with BOTH of them.

Agent 488

anytime some dude gets his wife involved with his biz it is almost then a 98% scam.

Agent 488

mike your buddy? what's the connection?

Agent 488

what's your connection to mike's wife? why stick up for someone out of the blue?

it looks like the op got scammed based on what's been posted so far.

AaronM

I thought you said you were done here?

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benn626

If anything, he has had time on his side to finish this program for us. It doesn't take sherlock fuckin holmes to figure out that we did not receive what we paid for.

AaronM

And my problem is that your story is not consistent, you bring other mis-informative info to the thread, and you posted personal info about somebodies family.

That's 3 strikes against you. Why the hell would anybody believe your side of the story at this point?

Since you're not concerned with "any kind of acceptance" from me, I suppose there is no reason for you to reply to me again.

AaronM

It also doesn't take .5 years to figure that out.

Or 1.5

Or 2.5

Maybe it was 3.5?

Agent 488

yeah seems odd doesn't it?

benn626

You are completely right when it comes down to the time frame. I was wrong in the original post stating 1 2/2 years ago. We had sent the first payment Oct/2007. We also provided him with a ded server to work on, and everything else he would need to complete the project.

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But that really, really sucks man! I've had an issue or two with ppl I've paid upfront but we're talking, MAX, altogether now, maybe $2000 "wasted", and that's for 3 projects. Live and learn (the hard way). But 10k? Wow man, REALLY really sorry to hear that. You just got your PhD from the School of Hard Knocks.

Great good luck to you (and hit me up on ICQ if you ever need to rant to someone who started out like you did - with 0 experience in this Biz.)

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AaronM

I'm completely right about everything I have posted on this topic.

Maybe if you were more careful with your "facts" then I would be more inclined to believe your side of the story.

benn626

Thanks I appreciate it! will def hit you up.

benn626

So you don't believe me that he didn't deliver the program that we paid for?

AaronM

I'm headed out for a bit. While I'm gone, you may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

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benn626

Mike was hired to provide us with a cam program + admin, he had lots of time to do it and all the resources he needed. He has been paid in full (plus more), has not finished the project, does not intend to.

So how can you state that he did not scam me.

His excuse is that I "vanished" to Vancouver... VANCOUVER IS NOT A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY WITHOUT THE INTERNET!

I tried to contact him so many times to get the finished project, but his wife's excuse was that he needed other work to pay the bills (all she wanted was for me to send more money, so they could drag it out longer).

borked

quote for answers...
besides some timeframe inaccuracies (which can happen given long time and frustration), it certainly shit looks to me like the programmer didn't deliver what was paid for, and so why is AaronM taking the limelight to defend this guy?

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Wow, this shit is just all over the place.

I guess to try and make this productive 2 questions for Ben-

1. Does Mike have the resources to complete the project for you- ie a payment processor to integrate and a server to host on?

2. If these resources can be provided on your end to him will you be statisfied with a completed project?

Too much time has passed, you can't really expect a refund or a complete re-write to make a two year old project current, but if you can provide te resources and he finishes the project you might be able to launch the product and make enough to get your $$ back and hire someone else to update your platform.

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JA$ON

1. You are not getting the Money back
2. You've pissed off the guy who worked on it, so Id say your chance of getting it fixed, finished or worked on went from 1% to 0%


Why waste your time on a fucking message board? Either sue him or move on. Yapping on here wont help unless your goal is to gain support from other board members....If thats the case, Id say you are moving further and further away from your goal with every post, lol.

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borked

if you were paid money to do a job, you do it, or you refund the money. If the guy that hired the programmer disappears for a while, why should he not expect a fully funcitoning what-was-paid-for script when he comes back?

I bought a second house two years ago, a new construction... I paid up a third for the order, a third midway, and a third on completion. The entire process took 14 months. The deadline was 12 months. That last third had 10k deducted from it for being late. But on payment of the third, the house keys were handed over to me.

If I'd have disappeared for 12 months dead, the constructor would have still handed over the keys to me, but one day over 12 months from completion date they'd have taken ownership of the house and I've have lost 2/3rds of the cost.

It's called a contract and most work the same way - you expect work to get done, not fucked around. In either direction, the one doing the fucking around will pay the price.

To me, it looks like the programmer was the one fucking around and *nothing* in this thread tells me otherwise.

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benn626

I don't expect a refund, and I doubt very much that no matter what approach I took, he would't have finished it for me.

When I wrote this thread I was very frustrated, and used some words that I wish I didn't.
The truth is I think Mike69 is a good programmer, and I am sure he has many happy clients.

In the end we had a terrible experience with Mike69. I have learned many different lessons, and definitely won't make the same mistake twice.

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pretty simple really

LexiLexxx

Ben,

Come on man, your not telling the whole story here. It was a nightmare trying to deal with you and your partner. You guys didn't have enough funds to start a project like this.
You were on the right track, Mike tried to guide you in the right direction so many times. He worked his ass off on that code, tried to hook you up with the right people. Hence~ Natnet and CCbill.

You guys were so flaky on payment's, you hardly ever made any full payments on time, always saying the "wire" was sent, days would go by...we couldn't get ahold of you and then you lost ur account with NatNet, disappeared and now all this time later, you sit and dwell on what could have been, broke and wishing you had done thing's differently.

Once you started disappearing on us, I told Mike don't do anything for him, until you have heard from him and the funds are in our bank account! See, Mike is wayyy to generous, I'm not. He has been know for helping people, and under bidding jobs....not knowing what kind of mess he will get into once he see's what he has to do to make thing's work or fix bad code. It's the way he is, it can be a good and bad thing....frankly it's one of the reason's I married him.

I can pull up convo's, bank statements ect.... It's been such a longtime, I don't want to spend my time dealing with it. All the lies, OMG... just tell everyone the truth, your partner had to have flaked on you. I really can't believe you would think you could just disappear after all this time, come on GFY and call "us" scammer's!! PLUS, don't use my real name on GFY, it's pretty much a given rule here. GFY peeps, know who's cool with "real names" and who's NOT!

I'm pretty much guessing you even owe Natnet $$, god knows they will never see that, and the 10k/15k... Dude, wake up! Your lies and disappearing on us isn't gonna save ya now.

What Mike decides to do on this deal, is 100% his choice. I wouldn't do a damn thing, that's me. Some people need to learn not to get over your head, if you got the funds, don't flake and tackle it with everything you got. You failed! Call me a bitch, or whatever u can come up with, I have been done with you for years.

LexiLexxx

Thank you ShellyCrash! Someone who reads between the BS.

benn626

Lexi,

WOW!! Are you serious? Do you not understand that me and Mike agreed on 10k from the very start?! We paid off the FULL balance, and still have not received the finished program. I am not going to sit here and call you a bitch, but if you are denying that then you are a liar.

Do you understand that wire payments sent from Canada to US can take 24-48 hours + sometimes?

We not only paid you guys the full amount agreed upon, we started sending you more money after because you guys wouldn't finish this project unless you had more money coming in. I am going to put together scanned documents of all the payments I sent you guys over that period, and I bet you about 15k thats its over 15 thousand dollars!

benn626

What does this even mean, done with me for years? We started this less then 3 years ago!

I don't really give a fuck what kind of excuses you are going to come up with. The fact is you guys never gave us what we paid for.

benn626

You are right that we didn't have the funds to take on such a huge project, but... we still paid you in full for the program which we never received.

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so is AaronM fucking mike's wife ?

seems to be putting alot of effort into this thread

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LexiLexxx

Not to mention the fact that, you made so many changes over and over. 24/48hrs on a wire yeah, I know.....but weeks? Whatever Ben. You haven't been telling the whole story, I feel like I'm dealing with a child here.

The fact that you keep lieing, makes me mad. I'm done outta here.

LexiLexxx

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