Giving police officers the authority to stop someone simply based on their appearance sets a terrible precedent and is a slippery slope.

The best way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of people you don't like.

But don't forget, it's not the immigrants stealing your jobs, it's the wealthy guy who lives in your subdivision who is hiring them, HE is the one stealing your jobs. If the wealthy factory owner or the wealthy contractor never hired those people, you wouldn't even have an immigration problem. Immigration is already down 20% and it's because nobody is hiring. That's the proof.

Do you blame the American who hired them who should know better, or do you blame the immigrant with a 5th grade education for taking a job that is offered to him?

Poor people and immigrants are always blamed. But poor people and immigrants have zero power, zero influence, and no representation. Blaming them is comical. The same way it was a group of a few hundred wealthy tycoons which tanked the economy, yet everyone gets up in arms about food stamps bankrupting America...lol.

Open your eyes folks, poor people don't have the power to ruin anything.

The typical Mexican illegal does indeed need to be weeded out. These are not traditional immigrants. They are Mexico's poverty. People with no skills whatsoever. They have nothing, NOTHING, to offer the US besides cheap, unskilled labor that undercuts the wages of Americans.

Now if Mexico's brightest wanted to come here in droves, I wouldn't have a problem with that. They would contribute to American society.

What we are getting instead are leaches that drain us.

We can't afford to take on the world's poverty. If you don't mind poor Mexicans here, maybe we should ship over a million starving Africans too?

About time!

So, what would happen if a Mexican family snuck into Norway?

oh goodness nutty al sharpton is on the way

http://www.kpho.com/2010/0423/23246118_320X240.jpg

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Bump for Monday morning fascism!

Yes the UK.

The only way to stop it it to remove the desire to go to the US. No free health, education, accommodation and fine those who employ them till they squeak. This will mean you will have to pay a lot more for things the Mexicans so but hell it will help reduce the problem.

Don't expect taxes to drop if they all go home. Taxes never drop.

We'll have to see how this law is practically implemented to see if it makes Arizona more secure. Job-wise, I hope people realize we're not going to fix the middle class economy by finding an ethnic groups to blame. Think that was done before in history...didn't turn out so good.

Typical left wing answer. No thinking behind it. Stupid answer.

Left wing strategy : Whenever you adversary don't think like you, compare them with nazism, facism. Tell them they are racists and they'll have to defend themselfs.

The question is : Are countries still able to decide who comes in inside their borders or not ?

I think they do.

It's racism. If the people pouring in were blonde with blue eyes, Arizona would welcome them with open arms, but because they are the round-faced dark indians from Mexico, they're not welcome.

These people take NO jobs that Americans would do. I don't see Americans lining up to pick cantaloupe on the fields. The farmers HAVE to hire illegals or the fruit would rot in the fields. I lived in a ranch in North Florida for a couple of years and my neighbors (all country folks who wouldn't give a Mexican the time of day) hired them because NOBODY else would do the work. Even the ranchers' sons refused to do it.

If the laws regarding the hiring of illegal aliens were actually enforced, there would be no jobs for illegals here, so they would not bother to come.

Of course many want it both ways. They want to hire, and benefit from the hiring of, low wage illegals, while simultaneously blaming immigrants for all of our troubles.

No one was friendlier to illegal immigrants than Bush was - both while he was governor of Texas, and then while he was president.

To blame the left for this is disingenuous at best.

Starts smelling like Rooskies ideas/reality start taking over in USA, because it's now a crime to not carry your immigration papers with you, haha, same they do in Moscow, you have no ID you can be taken into custody until they have your person indentified, plus fees.

If the governor of Arizona was a Democrat this issue would be getting attacked non-stop by Fox, the GOP, and the Tea Baggers (all one in the same of course).

But since she is a Republican, fascism is totally fine. :1orglaugh

Yeah, he must be low on money and out of Black causes to rally around. That man is a media whore!

its not blame they stand out in front of home depot in groups because they know they cant be asked for papers but now their asses are grass. :) the mayor phil gordan had 2 day labor places made so the illegals didnt have to stand on the streets. we need to make sure the people that are leading this protect the illegal doing are not re elected.

i dont give a fuck what you call it. its illegal they live here have kids dont pay medical send their kids to school dont pay taxes into the system like i did for my kids get social security for their kids collect welfare its a mess. ive seen it first hand i wont get into that tho

But it's not, it's a governor that listens to the people, so get over it, how many people wanted this? Over 70%

Perhaps you don't remember, but in 2005 the Right in this country was so pissed off at Bush and republicans over attempts to pass amnesty for illegal aliens, and their refusal to enforce the borders, that they basically stopped supporting their congressional and senate candidates, and thus you saw the Democratic takeover of the house and senate in 2006. this was one of the biggest issues of that election for Republicans.

Every person I know was SUPER pissed at Bush over his handling of the border enforcement issues, including his most ardent supporters.


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That's fine. I still think you would reduce the influx of illegals if they had no work. Go after the companies that hire them, and I am sure the numbers would drop fast.

I completely agree......


Holy crap, this may be a first for us!!



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I also have to agree with this.

People move for better opportunities. State to state, country to country, illegal or legal. Its obvious that the people coming from Mexico and Central America are looking for a better life and they know that if they can reach the US, which many will not, they will have that opportunity.

So take it away. Make the punishment so huge for businesses/persons found employing illegals that they simply will not take the risk. Make that the focus instead of asking anyone who is stopped to produce papers, because to avoid the racism charges that is what is going to have to happen.

I cant believe people think it has a single thing to do with skin or eye color.


If a farm put up a HELP WANTED sign for pickers or planters and paid the federal minimum wage for the work, and kept proper W2 forms for everyone and had proper payroll and everything in accordance with the law, thered be LINES OF AMERICANS around the block looking to do the work.

question them all.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=965366

EXACTLY.

They are immune right now because cops cant even ASK them for papers, this includes hospitals.

I say question them all.

There might be right now because the economy is in the crapper, but I would bet they would have trouble filling those positions when things are going good. For minimum wage you can work in the fields or you can work in fast food or any number of jobs at convenience stores, service stations and other places. Of them all field works is probably the hardest and most back-breaking. If it were me and I had a choice between flipping burgers at McDonalds and working in the fields for the same wage, I'd be a burger flipping fool.

I think the illegals make LESS that minimum wage for that work. My guess is, if the farmers had to pay Americans for this, it would cost them well OVER minimum wage, plus tax matching, paperwork, accounting fees, etc.

It could be done, but the cost of our food will certainly go up to make up for the trade off.

Same story with hotel room rates, etc....

as a black man I say welcome to my world

Here in the good old UK, we have boarders which are open to ANYONE !!!

We then give YOU a house, give YOU free healthcare, benefits, and do what YOU want and go by the religion YOU believe in, and say "fuck off" to our own beliefs and our own way of living.


So come on down, we have plenty of room! And remember folks, if you don't like it, just moan some more, and we will do what ever we can to accommodate you.








PS. White British people who work all their life will get nothing in return. It's you assholes who are paying for these illegals.... Have a good day !! Vote Labour.

I live in an area where there is a lot of seasonal field work that attracts a good number of migrant (read illegal) workers and I can tell you that many of them do pay under minimum wage. The way they do it is that they pay per pound or bushel or some unit of measurement, but the payment is low enough that most people will not be able to make more than minimum wage and others will make much less. So they tell you that you are free to make as much as you can. The faster and harder you work the more money you will make but it is very hard to make more than minimum wage.