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  • Joshua G
    dumb libs love censorship
    • Jul 2008
    • 8198
    #1

    Immigration reform: racism, or about time?

    I've been sympathetic to the left wing, given how bad the right wing fucked things up. But the whining about the Arizona law is making me mad. All these left wing Hispanics are screaming how their rights are violated, how they live in a police state now.

    Gimme a fuckin break. Arizona sits next to a foreign country whose citizens pop in at will, consuming jobs & public resources. A handful of them commit violent & sexual crimes. I see nothing wrong with a state cracking down when the feds don't do jack shit.

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    • H-Tom
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      • Jul 2005
      • 677
      #2
      25 years to late

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        • 2012
          So Fucking What
          • Jul 2006
          • 17189
          #3
          can an illegal still get a job there ?
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            • OY
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              • Oct 2002
              • 5401
              #4
              Racist, without doubt.

              I question the fact that I am a legal here but I do have a Norwegian accent - would they question me?

              I smell the likes of Germany give or take 1936.
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                • brassmonkey
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                  • Sep 2005
                  • 77396
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Oystein
                  Racist, without doubt.

                  I question the fact that I am a legal here but I do have a Norwegian accent - would they question me?

                  I smell the likes of Germany give or take 1936.
                  trying to fix the problem isnt racist im standing with the new law
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                    • Hank_Heartland
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                      • Sep 2002
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                      #6
                      What other country in the world would we even be having this discussion?
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                        • Joshua G
                          dumb libs love censorship
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 8198
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Oystein
                          Racist, without doubt.

                          I question the fact that I am a legal here but I do have a Norwegian accent - would they question me?

                          I smell the likes of Germany give or take 1936.
                          you can't be serious...asking a person to confirm they have papers is somehow comparable to kristallnacht?

                          Correct me if i'm wrong, but if i travel through Europe wouldnt i be required to keep my passport with me to help jonny law identify me?

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                            • IllTestYourGirls
                              Ah My Balls
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 14311
                              #8
                              500,000 illegals in AZ alone. It is about time. The person who thinks its racist is the person who thinks that all illegals are Mexican....which is actually pretty racist thinking.

                              Tea Party people are called violent racists but have not had one riot and no reported arrests? The first day of protesting these real racists start a riot. Gee I wonder why we dont want you in our country?

                              http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...ll_riot_042310

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                                • sortie
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2007
                                  • 7771
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by joshgirls
                                  I've been sympathetic to the left wing, given how bad the right wing fucked things up. But the whining about the Arizona law is making me mad. All these left wing Hispanics are screaming how their rights are violated, how they live in a police state now.

                                  Gimme a fuckin break. Arizona sits next to a foreign country whose citizens pop in at will, consuming jobs & public resources. A handful of them commit violent & sexual crimes. I see nothing wrong with a state cracking down when the feds don't do jack shit.

                                  I once put iron bars on all my windows and doors to keep crime away.

                                  Then I realized all I actually did was lock myself in to die in a fire.

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                                    • IllTestYourGirls
                                      Ah My Balls
                                      • Feb 2007
                                      • 14311
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by sortie
                                      I once put iron bars on all my windows and doors to keep crime away.

                                      Then I realized all I actually did was lock myself in to die in a fire.
                                      I would have just moved, like all these illegals can do.


                                      I am all for open boarders, if we get rid of min wage and the welfare state first.

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                                        • sortie
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2007
                                          • 7771
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by joshgirls
                                          you can't be serious...asking a person to confirm they have papers is somehow comparable to kristallnacht?

                                          Correct me if i'm wrong, but if i travel through Europe wouldnt i be required to keep my passport with me to help jonny law identify me?
                                          I traveled in Europe and nobody asked me to produce anything.
                                          But store clerks would actually run out the store and across the street and
                                          come back with someone who spoke English to actually sell me something.

                                          So they knew I wasn't from there.

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                                            • L-Pink
                                              working on my tan
                                              • Mar 2005
                                              • 39151
                                              #12
                                              It's about fucking time!


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                                                • brassmonkey
                                                  Pay It Forward
                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                  • 77396
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                  500,000 illegals in AZ alone. It is about time. The person who thinks its racist is the person who thinks that all illegals are Mexican....which is actually pretty racist thinking.

                                                  Tea Party people are called violent racists but have not had one riot and no reported arrests? The first day of protesting these real racists start a riot. Gee I wonder why we dont want you in our country?

                                                  http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...ll_riot_042310
                                                  the riot thing wasnt even about the issue a guy tried to take a ice cream cart. the same day friday a truck full of illegals was pulled over a lady in my area said she will move to cali because the illegals will leave Az and she said that on the news.
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                                                    • sortie
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                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                      • 7771
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                      I would have just moved
                                                      Uh, this was a beach front apartment that I got for only $500 a month for
                                                      "encouraging" the people upstairs to move.

                                                      Fuck you, you move.

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                                                        • Voodoo
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                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                          • 10600
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Oystein
                                                          Racist, without doubt.

                                                          I question the fact that I am a legal here but I do have a Norwegian accent - would they question me?

                                                          I smell the likes of Germany give or take 1936.
                                                          We don't have Norwegian illegals flooding our borders so they can shit out 100 bastard babies in a "Free Country" that grow up to suck the Health Care System dry, while hiking up the rates of all the valid policy holders and get paid under the table for their Yard Worker & House Cleaning jobs, rape women, rape children, drastically increase the amount of traffic on the freeways while they suck at driving any vehicle when there isn't a fucking mule pulling it.... drive property values down and fill up the prison system. Not to mention.... they all listen to suck ass music too loud.

                                                          [/rant]

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                                                            • L-Pink
                                                              working on my tan
                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                              • 39151
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Voodoo
                                                              We don't have Norwegian illegals flooding our borders so they can shit out 100 bastard babies in a "Free Country" that grow up to suck the Health Care System dry, while hiking up the rates of all the valid policy holders and get paid under the table for their Yard Worker & House Cleaning jobs, rape women, rape children, drastically increase the amount of traffic on the freeways while they suck at driving any vehicle when there isn't a fucking mule pulling it.... drive property values down and fill up the prison system. Not to mention.... they all listen to suck ass music too loud.

                                                              [/rant]
                                                              I'm trying to think of something to add ........







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                                                                • Sly
                                                                  Let's do some business!
                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                  • 31376
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Voodoo
                                                                  We don't have Norwegian illegals flooding our borders so they can shit out 100 bastard babies in a "Free Country" that grow up to suck the Health Care System dry, while hiking up the rates of all the valid policy holders and get paid under the table for their Yard Worker & House Cleaning jobs, rape women, rape children, drastically increase the amount of traffic on the freeways while they suck at driving any vehicle when there isn't a fucking mule pulling it.... drive property values down and fill up the prison system. Not to mention.... they all listen to suck ass music too loud.

                                                                  [/rant]
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                                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                      • 77396
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Voodoo
                                                                      We don't have Norwegian illegals flooding our borders so they can shit out 100 bastard babies in a "Free Country" that grow up to suck the Health Care System dry, while hiking up the rates of all the valid policy holders and get paid under the table for their Yard Worker & House Cleaning jobs, rape women, rape children, drastically increase the amount of traffic on the freeways while they suck at driving any vehicle when there isn't a fucking mule pulling it.... drive property values down and fill up the prison system. Not to mention.... they all listen to suck ass music too loud.

                                                                      [/rant]
                                                                      hahahaha!! yeah that music is crazy i dont hear it so much now. i think my neighbor was deported ranch market took a big ass blow friday. and that new spanish walmart
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                                                                        • kane
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                          • 20684
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I was talking to a police friend of mine about the law and he made some great points. Supposedly they will need probably cause to stop you before they can ask you about your immigration status. What this will do is allow them to ask people that they pull over for traffic stops, or if they get called to their homes etc if they are illegals. There are many places in the country where the police will stop someone at a traffic stop, find out they are illegal and yet not be able to do anything about it. Now they will be able to.

                                                                          Supposedly they can't just look at you and see you have brown skin and look Mexican and stop you. The potential problem as he pointed out, is that there are enough laws on the books that a cop can stop just about any car on the road that they want. I wonder how long it will be before we see people stopped and cars stopped for pretty lame reasons. The other thing that might bother me is that it required legal immigrants to carry their papers on them at all time. That kind of spooks me.

                                                                          For me, this law is a win for the lawyers. The city of Phoenix is already going to sue. The ACLU is going to sue and you know that someone will be asked for their papers, not have them and end up arrested only to be found innocent and they too will then sue.

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                                                                            • HighEnergy
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                                              • 806
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Voodoo
                                                                              We don't have Norwegian illegals flooding our borders so they can shit out 100 bastard babies in a "Free Country" that grow up to suck the Health Care System dry, while hiking up the rates of all the valid policy holders and get paid under the table for their Yard Worker & House Cleaning jobs, rape women, rape children, drastically increase the amount of traffic on the freeways while they suck at driving any vehicle when there isn't a fucking mule pulling it.... drive property values down and fill up the prison system. Not to mention.... they all listen to suck ass music too loud.
                                                                              You must be here near the front-lines Voodoo. I've seen a lot of sympathy being expressed in many national news clips the past 24 hrs. It's usually people who live in a geo area where they are unaffected by illegals. I'm all for the new AZ laws.

                                                                              The best by-product of Brewer's move is the incentive it's given Capitol Hill to get off their dead asses and deal with immigration. They have no choice now.

                                                                              ~

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                                                                                • OY
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                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 5401
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Ouch....

                                                                                  Look into the history of mankind and you will see that this type of "initiative" is only the beginning of a movement to "weed out people". That said, I agree that the "problem" with Mexicans (do not get me started if the Canadians suddenly got broke) is an issue to us US Citizens - but what happened to the "Land of the Free"?
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                                                                                    • L-Pink
                                                                                      working on my tan
                                                                                      • Mar 2005
                                                                                      • 39151
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by HighEnergy
                                                                                      You must be here near the front-lines Voodoo. I've seen a lot of sympathy being expressed in many national news clips the past 24 hrs. It's usually people who live in a geo area where they are unaffected by illegals. I'm all for the new AZ laws.

                                                                                      The best by-product of Brewer's move is the incentive it's given Capitol Hill to get off their dead asses and deal with immigration. They have no choice now.

                                                                                      ~
                                                                                      Good post


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                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                          • 20684
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by HighEnergy
                                                                                          You must be here near the front-lines Voodoo. I've seen a lot of sympathy being expressed in many national news clips the past 24 hrs. It's usually people who live in a geo area where they are unaffected by illegals. I'm all for the new AZ laws.

                                                                                          The best by-product of Brewer's move is the incentive it's given Capitol Hill to get off their dead asses and deal with immigration. They have no choice now.

                                                                                          ~
                                                                                          Very good point. If nothing else this sends the message to Washington that if they don't act soon, states will act on their own.

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                                                                                            • BFT3K
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                                              • 10764
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by HighEnergy
                                                                                              The best by-product is the incentive it's given Capitol Hill to get off their dead asses and deal with immigration. They have no choice now.
                                                                                              Exactly, and before every state comes up with their own separate solution, which will certainly lead to major problems.

                                                                                              Funny how many of the GOP leaders are already screaming that immigration reform is too big of a problem to deal with right now. The GOP is doing everything they can to remain in the minority. Good for them!

                                                                                              Weird how the Bowel Movement... oops, I mean the Tea Baggers, have nothing to say about this. I guess "freedom" to them does not pertain to American citizens having to carry papers or face the consequences.
                                                                                              Last edited by BFT3K; 04-25-2010, 01:47 PM.

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                                                                                                • sortie
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Mar 2007
                                                                                                  • 7771
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                  you know that someone will be asked for their papers, not have them and end up arrested only to be found innocent and they too will then sue.
                                                                                                  You got that right.

                                                                                                  And the first person that will sue will probably have locked his papers up in
                                                                                                  a lawyers office and then ran outside screaming "arrest me bitches".

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                                                                                                    • baddog
                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                      Racist, without doubt.

                                                                                                      I question the fact that I am a legal here but I do have a Norwegian accent - would they question me?

                                                                                                      I smell the likes of Germany give or take 1936.
                                                                                                      Weak

                                                                                                      Originally posted by Hank_Heartland
                                                                                                      What other country in the world would we even be having this discussion?
                                                                                                      Precisely

                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sly
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                                                                                                      Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                      Ouch....

                                                                                                      Look into the history of mankind and you will see that this type of "initiative" is only the beginning of a movement to "weed out people". That said, I agree that the "problem" with Mexicans (do not get me started if the Canadians suddenly got broke) is an issue to us US Citizens - but what happened to the "Land of the Free"?
                                                                                                      Free citizens, not free illegals.

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                                                                                                        • sortie
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                                                          • 7771
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                          but what happened to the "Land of the Free"?
                                                                                                          I don't know. Once that slavery thing ended so did freedom I guess.

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                                                                                                            • BFT3K
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                                                              • 10764
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              This is interesting...

                                                                                                              The eight years of President George W. Bush?s administration saw a marked increase in illegal immigration and a drop in immigration enforcement throughout much of his tenure. For example, the number of illegal aliens arrested in workplace cases fell from nearly 3,000 in 1999 to 445 in 2003, with the number of criminal cases against employers during this period falling from 182 to four. Not surprisingly, by 2005, there were an estimated 10-20 million illegal aliens living in the United States. Even at the end of 2007 after the Bush administration?s enforcement crackdown had been underway; only 92 criminal arrests of employers had taken place, in an economy that, according to the Washington Post, includes 6 million businesses that employ more than 7 million illegal foreign workers.

                                                                                                              Full article here...

                                                                                                              http://www.endillegalimmigration.com...US/index.shtml

                                                                                                              I also remember reading that he let in 3 to 5 million illegals while he was governor or Texas. Imagine that....
                                                                                                              Last edited by BFT3K; 04-25-2010, 02:05 PM.

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                                                                                                                • OY
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                  • 5401
                                                                                                                  #29
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                                                                                                                    • HighEnergy
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                      • 806
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Securing the borders needs to come first. Though it's way better than it's ever been with the increased man power and use of warfare perfected technology. It's akin to having a screen door on a submarine. There's a constant flow of people at the border; illegals in, deportees out, illegals in, deportees out. Not to mention the coyotes.

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                                                                                                                        • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                          Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                          • 14311
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                          I was talking to a police friend of mine about the law and he made some great points. Supposedly they will need probably cause to stop you before they can ask you about your immigration status. What this will do is allow them to ask people that they pull over for traffic stops, or if they get called to their homes etc if they are illegals. There are many places in the country where the police will stop someone at a traffic stop, find out they are illegal and yet not be able to do anything about it. Now they will be able to.

                                                                                                                          Supposedly they can't just look at you and see you have brown skin and look Mexican and stop you. The potential problem as he pointed out, is that there are enough laws on the books that a cop can stop just about any car on the road that they want. I wonder how long it will be before we see people stopped and cars stopped for pretty lame reasons. The other thing that might bother me is that it required legal immigrants to carry their papers on them at all time. That kind of spooks me.

                                                                                                                          For me, this law is a win for the lawyers. The city of Phoenix is already going to sue. The ACLU is going to sue and you know that someone will be asked for their papers, not have them and end up arrested only to be found innocent and they too will then sue.
                                                                                                                          This is how I understood the law. But after listening to the liberal media I thought I might be wrong. Thanks for clearing it up.

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                                                                                                                            • MetaMan
                                                                                                                              I AM WEB 2.0
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                              • 28682
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                              The person who thinks its racist is the person who thinks that all illegals are Mexican....which is actually pretty racist thinking.
                                                                                                                              stop making valid points! this is GFY you are only allowed to make points with 0 backing.

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                                                                                                                                • Joshua G
                                                                                                                                  dumb libs love censorship
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2008
                                                                                                                                  • 8198
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                  This is how I understood the law. But after listening to the liberal media I thought I might be wrong. Thanks for clearing it up.
                                                                                                                                  Ironic...if i want to hear something accurate on the issue, gotta turn to Fox News

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                                                                                                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by joshgirls
                                                                                                                                      Ironic...if i want to hear something accurate on the issue, gotta turn to Fox News
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                                                                                                                                        • Kevin Marx
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                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                          • 1888
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                          I was talking to a police friend of mine about the law and he made some great points. Supposedly they will need probably cause to stop you before they can ask you about your immigration status. What this will do is allow them to ask people that they pull over for traffic stops, or if they get called to their homes etc if they are illegals. There are many places in the country where the police will stop someone at a traffic stop, find out they are illegal and yet not be able to do anything about it. Now they will be able to.

                                                                                                                                          Supposedly they can't just look at you and see you have brown skin and look Mexican and stop you. The potential problem as he pointed out, is that there are enough laws on the books that a cop can stop just about any car on the road that they want. I wonder how long it will be before we see people stopped and cars stopped for pretty lame reasons. The other thing that might bother me is that it required legal immigrants to carry their papers on them at all time. That kind of spooks me.

                                                                                                                                          For me, this law is a win for the lawyers. The city of Phoenix is already going to sue. The ACLU is going to sue and you know that someone will be asked for their papers, not have them and end up arrested only to be found innocent and they too will then sue.
                                                                                                                                          Yes there are enough laws on the books to question just about anyone about just about anything.

                                                                                                                                          Point: While driving, you are required to have your Driver's License as a means of identification, but primarily to prove you are legitimately allowed to operate a motor vehicle. How is it any different to require a visitor in this country to carry their proper paperwork to identify themselves as well as to prove they are legitimately allowed to be inside the borders of the US? Doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me.

                                                                                                                                          If I got pulled over and a cop asks me for ID, the first thing I do is give it to him. I don't cry injustice and lawyer up. If you aren't breaking the law, what do you have to fear?

                                                                                                                                          ILLEGALS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. That is the most important thing people neglect. They are already breaking the law. As tame as many think the offense is, it's still a broken law; just like speeding, stealing gum, jaywalking, murder, embezzlement, etc. There are consequences for each.

                                                                                                                                          If they are here legitimately and are harassed, I am all for them wanting to fix the system. I don't however think we should protect the law breakers first and deal with their rights first. The citizens of this country have a right to protect and maintain their citizen base and population base in a responsible manner. Letting the uninvited wander unchecked is a poor way to protect your home.
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                                                                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 23200
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I think the law is about anytime they stop you they check for a valid ID, if you don't have one, you go to mexico for a vacation, Im thinking maybe a great way to get free travel to mexico
                                                                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                  I think the law is about anytime they stop you they check for a valid ID, if you don't have one, you go to mexico for a vacation, Im thinking maybe a great way to get free travel to mexico
                                                                                                                                                  who the fuck wants to go live with drug cartels no thank you
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                                                                                                                                                    • gleem
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      if you wanna immigrate, do it, you are more than welcome to do so legally like my grandparents and millions of others. If you are just jumping the border, you are here illegally, you already broke the law, you have no "American Rights" (TECHNICALLY) if they are all bitching that they are going to leave, and they are picketing this law, it means it's a good one TO DETER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, I'm sure it'll be on the supreme courts lap in no time, so guess who "O" is gonna pick to replace Steven's. This BS all started with Clinton, and made 10x worse by Bush and Obamo is picking up the torch it seems and will pass it to the next prez to carry it to the finish line. /rant




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                                                                                                                                                        • gleem
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 5593
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          I also think we should invade mexico and occupy anyplace they like to make it fair in the meantime.




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                                                                                                                                                            • kane
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                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 20684
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Kevin Marx
                                                                                                                                                              Yes there are enough laws on the books to question just about anyone about just about anything.

                                                                                                                                                              Point: While driving, you are required to have your Driver's License as a means of identification, but primarily to prove you are legitimately allowed to operate a motor vehicle. How is it any different to require a visitor in this country to carry their proper paperwork to identify themselves as well as to prove they are legitimately allowed to be inside the borders of the US? Doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me.

                                                                                                                                                              If I got pulled over and a cop asks me for ID, the first thing I do is give it to him. I don't cry injustice and lawyer up. If you aren't breaking the law, what do you have to fear?

                                                                                                                                                              ILLEGALS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. That is the most important thing people neglect. They are already breaking the law. As tame as many think the offense is, it's still a broken law; just like speeding, stealing gum, jaywalking, murder, embezzlement, etc. There are consequences for each.

                                                                                                                                                              If they are here legitimately and are harassed, I am all for them wanting to fix the system. I don't however think we should protect the law breakers first and deal with their rights first. The citizens of this country have a right to protect and maintain their citizen base and population base in a responsible manner. Letting the uninvited wander unchecked is a poor way to protect your home.
                                                                                                                                                              Here is the basic difference.

                                                                                                                                                              To operate a car you have to take and pass at least one test (and probably two if you got your permit before your license) and, like you said, you are required to have it on you if you are driving a car. If you get pulled over then chances are it is for a reason. They saw something and decided to stop you for it. At this point you are suspected of breaking a law (albeit the law could be a lame has not signaling when you turned or having a burnt out tail light) so they ask for you license to make sure you are legally allowed to drive a car. Our laws say that you are required to go though the testing to get a license and you will then need to prove you have done that if called upon to do so.

                                                                                                                                                              If you are here in this country legally you need to proper papers to enter the country (and probably for some other things as well) but they shouldn't be required to be displayed just to walk to the corner store or because you are sitting in a local park playing with your kids. Legal immigrants aren't tourists, they are here to stay. The way
                                                                                                                                                              I understand the law to be, it would require any legal immigrant to have their papers on them at all times. If they don't they can be arrested. Sure, a cop might be cool with them and drive them home to get the papers, but many won't.

                                                                                                                                                              Answer me this. If you were just sitting in a park having a picnic with some friends and weren't causing any trouble and a cop walked up to you and said he thought you were illegally here and wanted to see your ID would you be happy about it?

                                                                                                                                                              I agree that we need to do something about the problem and I think this law takes a big step forward by allowing the police to question and contain those who they have probable cause for, but I am worried about anything that requires those who are legal to carry their papers on them at all times.

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                                                                                                                                                                • mynameisjim
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                                  • 2985
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Giving police officers the authority to stop someone simply based on their appearance sets a terrible precedent and is a slippery slope.

                                                                                                                                                                  The best way to protect your own rights is to protect the rights of people you don't like.

                                                                                                                                                                  But don't forget, it's not the immigrants stealing your jobs, it's the wealthy guy who lives in your subdivision who is hiring them, HE is the one stealing your jobs. If the wealthy factory owner or the wealthy contractor never hired those people, you wouldn't even have an immigration problem. Immigration is already down 20% and it's because nobody is hiring. That's the proof.

                                                                                                                                                                  Do you blame the American who hired them who should know better, or do you blame the immigrant with a 5th grade education for taking a job that is offered to him?

                                                                                                                                                                  Poor people and immigrants are always blamed. But poor people and immigrants have zero power, zero influence, and no representation. Blaming them is comical. The same way it was a group of a few hundred wealthy tycoons which tanked the economy, yet everyone gets up in arms about food stamps bankrupting America...lol.

                                                                                                                                                                  Open your eyes folks, poor people don't have the power to ruin anything.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                                                                                      Look into the history of mankind and you will see that this type of "initiative" is only the beginning of a movement to "weed out people".
                                                                                                                                                                      The typical Mexican illegal does indeed need to be weeded out. These are not traditional immigrants. They are Mexico's poverty. People with no skills whatsoever. They have nothing, NOTHING, to offer the US besides cheap, unskilled labor that undercuts the wages of Americans.

                                                                                                                                                                      Now if Mexico's brightest wanted to come here in droves, I wouldn't have a problem with that. They would contribute to American society.

                                                                                                                                                                      What we are getting instead are leaches that drain us.

                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                                                                                      but what happened to the "Land of the Free"?
                                                                                                                                                                      We can't afford to take on the world's poverty. If you don't mind poor Mexicans here, maybe we should ship over a million starving Africans too?
                                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by Matt 26z; 04-25-2010, 08:48 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • BIGTYMER
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                          • 17066
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          About time!

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                                                                                                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                                                                                              BD - Did you really read your history books at school? xoxo
                                                                                                                                                                              So, what would happen if a Mexican family snuck into Norway?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  oh goodness nutty al sharpton is on the way
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46


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                                                                                                                                                                                        • BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 10764
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Bump for Monday morning fascism!

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                              Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Hank_Heartland
                                                                                                                                                                                              What other country in the world would we even be having this discussion?
                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes the UK.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The only way to stop it it to remove the desire to go to the US. No free health, education, accommodation and fine those who employ them till they squeak. This will mean you will have to pay a lot more for things the Mexicans so but hell it will help reduce the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Don't expect taxes to drop if they all go home. Taxes never drop.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                • UFGators2007
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2007
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  We'll have to see how this law is practically implemented to see if it makes Arizona more secure. Job-wise, I hope people realize we're not going to fix the middle class economy by finding an ethnic groups to blame. Think that was done before in history...didn't turn out so good.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • CHMOD
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1697
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Racist, without doubt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I question the fact that I am a legal here but I do have a Norwegian accent - would they question me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I smell the likes of Germany give or take 1936.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Typical left wing answer. No thinking behind it. Stupid answer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Left wing strategy : Whenever you adversary don't think like you, compare them with nazism, facism. Tell them they are racists and they'll have to defend themselfs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      The question is : Are countries still able to decide who comes in inside their borders or not ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think they do.
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