As previously pointed out in another post, WTC 5 had one of the buildings fall right on it, burned for hours and still had to be demolished... it doesn't matter what anyone shows you though. The good thing about this is... about 5 years ago, people like you were the majority, now if you look there are only a couple people who just can't accept this. Face it you been lied to, they've done it before they'll do it again.

Isn't it amazing that being a Bush biz partner can buy you amnesty in Saudi land?

Have you ever been to the WTC site before 9/11?

Wrong Country Indeed, what about these events of 9/11?

Yes 2 times

**NLE 2010 - National Planning Scenario #1: NUCLEAR DETONATION IN MAJOR CITY!!!

http://info.publicintelligence.net/1...9011351952.PDF

They have been planning this one for over a year.

Key DC leadership will be at secret locations during the "exercise".

Eagle Horizon 2010 will start on Monday, 17 May 2010 and end on Wednesday, 19 May 2010.

Do you think they are running these drills for fun?

National Level Exercise 2010 (NLE 10) Exercise Overview
http://publicintelligence.net/nation...cise-overview/
8 August 2009 5 Comments

DHS/FEMA Headquarters
Nathan Rodgers
National Exercise Division
Draft
For Official Use Only
November 2008

Overview

Tier 1 National Level Exercise as per the National Exercise Program

Domestic Terrorism focused

Guided by National Planning Scenario #1: Nuclear Detonation

Fully Integrated with Eagle Horizon 2010 (continuity exercise)

FEMA Region VIII and FEMA Region IX, select State and Local jurisdictions (venues) and the National Capital Region (NCR)

Multi-day (4-5), operations-based exercise scheduled for May 2010


Related posts:

DHS Coordinates National Level Exercise to Prevent Terrorist Attacks with Federal, State, Local Tribal, Private Sector, and International Partners

National Exercise Program Overview

Top Officials (TOPOFF) Exercise Overview Brief

FEMA Region X Multi-year Training and Exercise Plan 2010-2014

National Continuity Programs



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Does the nation need a national level exercise program?
http://www.hlswatch.com/2010/04/06/d...rcise-program/
Filed under: Preparedness and Response ? by Christopher Bellavita on April 6, 2010

Imagine a 7.8 Richter Scale earthquake near St. Louis, MO, on the New Madrid fault line. Assume the earthquake causes extreme damage in 8 states along the Mississippi River. This includes over 89,000 dead, nearly half a million people injured, more than 5 million people homeless, loss of numerous bridges crossing the Mississippi, as well as destruction of major oil, gasoline, and natural gas pipelines that serve much of the Eastern Seaboard.

One might think this high consequence (low probability or high probability ? take your pick) event would make a natural subject for a national level homeland security exercise.

Maybe not.

Perhaps there are some extreme homeland security events ? call them catastrophes ? where the value of exercising top officials is more symbolic than sensible.

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The Vacation Lane Blog ? written by William Cumming (a frequent writer in hlswatch) ? began its internet life on Saturday with commentary about the postponement of the national level exercise program. http://vlg338.blogspot.com/2010/04/s...paredness.html

Cumming argues in ?The Sinews of Preparedness,?

? this Administration, like all before it, fails to understand that the sinews of preparedness are built with exercises, from table tops to full scale exercises, and with the personnel including appointees that will actually be called on to run the civil domestic crisis management system or be in the chain of command for civil crisis events. Failure to be prepared only makes it more likely that military dominated organizations, which tend to ad hoc despite extraordinary funding, will drive the crisis response with huge implications for the civil sector and federalism.? [They are scared of the people's army, of an informed public, of constitutional well trained people.]

On its face, the author?s recommendation seems sensible: training and exercises will make for a more effective response when something real happens.

Why should anyone believe that claim?

Aristotle said, ?Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.?

One need look no further for evidence about the correctness of this belief than the professional experiences of police, fire fighters, emergency medical professionals, emergency managers, and other responders.

The lessons from Aristotle, Mr. Cumming, and first responder experiences may be true for ?normal? disasters ? earthquakes, hurricanes, fires, floods, tornadoes, and so on.

I wonder if that truth about exercise has much value when it comes to getting ?top officials? ready for catastrophes.

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For FEMA/DHS, a catastrophe is any incident ?that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions.?

Catastrophes, as a colleague has written ?are the nightmare scenarios that can bring the nation to its knees.?

There do not appear to have been that many catastrophes in the past half century of our history.

The colleague I just mentioned recently completed a study of the federal part of the post 9/11 emergency planning and response system. As a tangential part of his work, he noted there have been around 1900 presidential disaster declarations since 1953. He found only four of the 1900 events were (definitional) catastrophes: Three Mile Island, and Hurricanes Hugo, Andrew and Katrina.

You might add a few more to his list ? like 9/11/01 in New York City, Arlington, and Shanksville. But the number of catastrophes remains small.

My colleague found that federal agencies played major ?supporting? roles in all of those catastrophes. But governors ? maybe a mayor or two ? always retained control of what was going on in their jurisdictions.

It?s my understanding (aided by experiences with early versions of TOPOFF) that national level exercises have some play for state and local officials, but for the most part, the general intention of the exercises is to:

Support U.S. Government Officers? preparation for managing national crises, and accountability of those who support them.

I have no idea what role training and exercising state, city, or federal officials ? especially political officials ? played in successful or unsuccessful catastrophic response. I?ve looked for data that sheds light on the utility of exercising for catastrophes, but so far I?ve come up largely empty. (There is the 2004 ?Hurricane Pam? exercise example for New Orleans, of course. But that mostly suggests preparedness requires something more than exercises.)

My understanding is the average tenure for a federal political appointee ? a top official ? is between 18 months and 2 years. How does one train and exercise federal appointed and elected officials for an incident where there are ?over 89,000 dead, nearly half a million people injured, more than 5 million people homeless??

Is there any evidence that justifies spending money on those officials for such training and exercises?

Since 2005, the federal government has spent more than 200 million dollars on national level exercises. Have those expenditures come anywhere close to providing commensurate benefits? If those data are not available, could the 200 million have been spent on some other homeland security-related activities, including local exercises, that might have increased the nation?s preparedness?

I suspect those are largely rhetorical questions, lost somewhere inside the conventional wisdom that worships any homeland security training and exercise as an unquestioningly good thing.

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One of the homeland security goals described in the Quadrennial Homeland Security Review is to:

Foster Innovative Approaches and Solutions Through Leading-Edge Science and Technology: Ensure scientifically informed analysis and decisions are coupled to innovative and effective technological solutions.

I like the sound of that goal. It says science matters.

I like the objectives of the goal even more:
Scientifically study threats and vulnerabilities: Pursue a rigorous scientific understanding of current and future threats to homeland security and the possible means to their prevention and mitigation.
Develop innovative approaches and effective solutions: Encourage and enable innovative approaches

Both objectives suggest we should look to science to validate our prevention and mitigation efforts, and to lead the nation toward new ways to think about what we do under the banner of homeland security.

http://www.emergencymgmt.com/news/Na...sefulness.html
Federal and state emergency mangers are debating whether or not to continue the National Level Exercise series. According to The Washington Post, the Obama administration canceled an exercise centered on a simulated nuclear attack on Las Vegas after Sen. Harry Reid, backed by casino and business interests, said it would hurt the region?s economy.

In response to a FEMA proposal to scale back an exercise simulating an earthquake in the New Madrid Seismic Zone scheduled for next year, Kentucky Emergency Manager John W. Heltzel, who is also chairman of the Central United States Earthquake Consortium, said the eight states involved in planning for that exercise pledged to go ahead as planned.

FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate and U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano want to restore the element of surprise to exercises testing national preparedness.


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U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced the members of a task force charged with examining ways to make communities more resilient. This task force is composed of 35 members, mostly emergency management and homeland security practitioners from all levels of government.

Congress asked for the formation of the Preparedness Task Force along with the 2010 DHS Appropriations Act, making it responsible for "making recommendations for all levels of government regarding disaster and emergency guidance and policy, federal grants; and federal requirements ? with an emphasis on identifying preparedness policies, guidelines and grant programs that should be updated and recommending paths forward to improve the nation?s collective capabilities for preparing for disasters,? according to a DHS news release.

The task force expects to deliver its recommendations in September 2010.

A list of the members of the task force and more information can be found in this DHS news release.


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Secretary Napolitano Announces Preparedness Task Force Members
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1270649859370.shtm
Release Date: April 7, 2010

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today announced the formation of the local, state, tribal, and federal Preparedness Task Force?a council of experts charged with assessing the state of the nation?s disaster preparedness and making recommendations to Secretary Napolitano about ways to build resiliency in communities across America.

?Enhancing preparedness across our nation requires close collaboration between all levels of government,? said Secretary Napolitano. ?The recommendations of this Task Force?comprised of emergency management and homeland security experts from states, cities and tribes across the country?will help guide our ongoing efforts to ensure the resilience of communities throughout the nation.?

The Task Force is comprised of 35 members of local, state and tribal governments?many of whom have also served within federal government?offering a diverse cross-section of experience in homeland security and emergency management missions. The Task Force will also engage Congressional partners, as well as the private sector and non-governmental and development organizations through a variety of outreach activities.

The Conference Report accompanying the 2010 DHS Appropriations Act called for a Task Force responsible for ?making recommendations for all levels of government regarding: disaster and emergency guidance and policy; federal grants; and federal requirements??with an emphasis on identifying preparedness policies, guidelines and grant programs that should be updated and recommending paths forward to improve the nation?s collective capabilities for preparing for disasters.

The Task Force will conduct regular meetings and expects to deliver recommendations in September 2010.

Local, State, Tribal, and Federal Preparedness Task Force Members

Charles H. Ada II, Administrator, Guam Office of Civil Defense

Karen Baker, Secretary of Service and Volunteering, State of California

John Cary Bittick, Sheriff, Monroe County Sheriff's Office, Georgia

Dave Bunce, Fire Chief, Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community Fire Department, Arizona

Jeffery C. Cash, Fire Chief and Emergency Manager, City of Cherryville Fire Department, North Carolina

Salvatore Cassano, Commissioner, City of New York Fire Department

Nicholas Crossley, Director, Johnson County, Kansas, Emergency Management and Homeland Security

Edward F. Davis, Commissioner, City of Boston Police Department

Robert DesRosier, Director, Blackfeet Nation Homeland Security Program and Emergency Services Program, Montana

Patricia Dukes, Chief of Emergency Medical Services, City and County of Honolulu, Hawaii

Brigadier General Donald P. Dunbar, Adjutant General, State of Wisconsin

Angela English, Executive Director, Texas Governor's Committee on People with Disabilities

Charley English, Director and Homeland Security Advisor, Georgia Emergency Management Agency, State of Georgia

Anthony H. Griffin, County Executive, Fairfax County, Virginia

Dwight E. Henninger, Chief of Police, Town of Vail Police Department, Colorado

James D. Himes, Assistant Director, Metro Nashville and Davidson County Department of Public Works, Tennessee

Hubert Douglas Hoell, Jr., Director, North Carolina Division of Emergency Management, State of North Carolina

Jeffrey D. Johnson, Fire Chief/Administrator, Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue, Oregon

Hans Kallam, Director, Colorado Division of Emergency Management, State of Colorado

Ron Lane, Director, County of San Diego Office of Emergency Services, California

Joseph Laporte, Public Safety Director, Little River Band of Ottawa Indians, Michigan

John. W. Ledbetter, Executive Director, Mississippi Office of Homeland Security, State of Mississippi

Pamela L?Heureux, Director of Emergency Management, Waterboro, Maine

John Madden, Director, Alaska Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Management, State of Alaska

Raymond Orozco, Chief of Staff, City of Chicago, Illinois

Jim Page, Executive Director, Illinois Law Enforcement Alarm System

Kerry Pettingill, Director, Oklahoma Office of Homeland Security

Mary Selecky, Secretary, Washington State Department of Health

David Taylor, State Chief Information Officer and Executive Director, Agency for Enterprise Information Technology, Florida

Lyda Ann Thomas, Mayor, City of Galveston, Texas

MaryAnn E. Tierney, Deputy Managing Director for Emergency Management, City of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Alan Dennis (A.D.) Vickery, Assistant Chief of Risk Management, Seattle Fire Department, Washington

John Wageman, State Hazard Mitigation Officer, Iowa Homeland Security and Emergency Management Division, State of Iowa

John Wheeler, Cabinet Secretary, New Mexico Department of Homeland Security and Emergency Management, State of New Mexico

Thomas Wyss, State Senator, Indiana State Senate

Saturday, April 3, 2010
The Sinews of Preparedness
http://vlg338.blogspot.com/2010/04/s...paredness.html

Recently, many MSM article and blog postings have discussed the postponement of NLE V [National Level Exercise] by the Administration and DHS. There are enormus implications that can be implied by this postponement. The most critical is that this Administration, like all before it, fails to understand that the sinews of preparedness are built with exercises, from table tops to full scale exercises, and with the personnel including appointees that will actually be called on to run the civil domestic crisis management system or be in the chain of command for civil crisis events. Failure to be prepared only makes it more likely that military dominated organizations, which tend to ad hoc despite extraordinary funding, will drive the crisis response with huge implications for the civil sector and federalism. Essentially, NO administration since the dawn of the nuclear age has created an adequate White House Domestic Civil response organization and chain of command. During the days of the Federal Civil Defense Program created by Public Law 920 of the 81st Congress [repealed in 1994] the reality was no civil domestic crisis response planning and preparedness just turn it over to the military post attack. This was UnConstitutional, lazy, and not in keeping with the democractic (actually US is a Republic) traditions of our society. The nuclear priesthood enjoyed their power in their secret temples and had no one to watch over what they were planning. See Plans D and Other than D which died on the formation of FEMA in 1979! If accomplishing creation of such a system is just is too difficult from a public administration standpoint the day in which the ambitious military takes over civil crisis management and response comes that much closer.
Posted by The Vacation Lane Group at 11:26 AM

Labels: military/Civil relationships

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El Gallego said...

There are several points that may have been overlooked in any analysis of recent events concerning the National Level Exercise program:

1) The SECDHS (Napolitano) was Governor of Arizona and had a very negative impression of the exercise series as a result of TOPOFF 3 (the NLE predecessor).

2) The preparedness planning effort at FEMA for the New Madrid Seismic Zone scenario is behind schedule. In fact, the scenario for 2010 was to have been 'New Madrid' but was postponed to 2011 due to planning shortfalls.

3) The exercise planning effort itself at FEMA is lackluster. The planners are great at having meetings which are nothing more than 'dog and pony' briefing sessions with little or no interaction on the part of planners from other agencies.

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2010 (NLE 10) -- May 17-21, 2010

DRILL REPORT: National Level Exercise 2010 (NLE 10) -- May 17-21, 2010

NLE 09 which occurred at the end of July last year, had an unprecedented amount of military movement and training for martial law. This year's National Level Exercise will be fully integrated with Eagle Horizon 2010, a drill focusing on continuity of government (COG--also known as Rex 84, and the implementation of PDD-51). NLE 09 did not have this added component.

-- Silver

When: May 17-21, 2010

Where: FEMA Region 8 (Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah), FEMA Region 9 (California, Nevada, Arizona), National Capital Region

Who: FEMA, DHS, Department of Transportation, NORTHCOM, NORAD

Contracted Companies: L3 Communications, Bridgeborn, Ogilvy Public Relations

Scenario: An improvised nuclear device detonation in a major US city. This is a "domestic terrorism" focused drill. Response to such destruction and COG plans enacted. Summary of NLE 10 here. Summary of Eagle Horizon 2009 (for reference) here.


Dates are from the Department of Transportation website, quoted below. All other sites merely say "May 2010." Dates are always subject to change, etc.


Training and Exercise Program

Summary: The program objective is to sustain a robust training and exercise program based upon all-hazards emergency management to meet all preparedness, response, and recovery needs, including those for COOP/COG and the regional emergency transportation program. This program integrates the requirements of the National Response Framework (NRF) and the National Incident Management System (NIMS) into DOT policies, plans, and programs. Additionally, it tests and validates these documents through training and exercises. The Program Manager participates in the planning, conduct and evaluation of inter-agency exercises and prepares DOT representatives (up to and including the Secretary, as appropriate) for participation in major exercises. The Program Manager also represents the Department at all interagency training and exercise meetings and the Homeland Security Council (HSC) Domestic Readiness Group (DRG) Exercise and Evaluation Sub-Policy Coordination Committee (E & E Sub-PCC) meetings. Lastly the Program Manager is assisting in the development of DOT training requirements for the new National Security Professional Development program (under Executive Order 13434) and Reconstruction/Stabilization training requirements of National Security Presidential Decision (NSPD - 44).

Partner Agencies: Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other Federal departments and agencies.

Stakeholders: Operating Administrations, DOT Senior Officials, and Interagency community.

Major Projects:

* Key Exercises and Events for 2010
o Principal Level Exercise 4-09: October 21, 2009; Major Earth Quake in San Francisco, CA.
o Tier II Support to Vigilant Shield Exercise: Early November, 2009; Support to Canadian 2010 Winter Olympic Games
o Principal Level Exercise 1-10: November 10, 2009 (Asst Sec) and December 4, 2009 (S-1); Support for the 2010 Winter Olympics
o SONS 2010: March 22-24, 2010; Spill of National Significance Exercise
o National Level Seminar II: April 7, 2010; Recovery from an Improvised Nuclear Device – IND – Attack
o Tier II Support to Exercise Liberty RadEX (EPA): April 26-30, 2010; Recovery from an Radiological Dispersal Device – RDD – in Philadelphia, PA
o Principal Level Exercise 2-10; April 22, 2010; Response to an Improvised Nuclear Device - IND
o Principal Level Exercise 3-10: June 17, 2010; Recovery from an Improvised Nuclear Device-IND- Attack
o National Level Exercise 1-10 and Eagle Horizon 10; May 17-21, 2010: Improvised Nuclear Device-IND and Continuity deployment exercise
o Principal Level Exercise 4-10: July, 2010: Topic to be Assigned by the National Security Staff
o Cyber Storm III: September 2010; Cyber attack on government computer networks and national infrastructure control systems

* Key Training Focus for 2010
o National Response Framework (NRF)
o National Incident Management System (NIMS)
o National Security Professional Development (Training and Education)
o DOT Emergency Response Team (ERT) Specialized Training
o Reconstruction and Stabilization (R&S)
o Continuity of Operations Planning and Government (COOP/COG)
o National and DOT Pandemic Influenza Plan H1N1 control procedures
o DOT Regional Emergency Transportation Coordinator and Representative Training (RETCO and RETREP)
o Specialized Training for Transportation Intelligence Analysts

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Yeah stay away from any city with these drills going on.. These drills are there to confuse people working, that aren't in on it. 9/11 had many drills going on that day, with false blips put on the radar screens, they couldn't tell real hijacks from fake ones.

And of course the drills on 7/7 were even more obvious when this guy came on tv amazed.

no ooooooo osama did it

And are you familiar with the physics of the design of the WTC property?

Most of the conspiracy theorists have no concept of the physics design of the WTC property. All the buildings that are/were around the twin towers were built as counter balance for the twin towers. When the 2 towers came down, the counter balance was totally changed. WTC 7 sustained MAJOR structural damage from all that material slamming into it. It was leaning. That video was shown on all the news outlets as well as in the NY Times. WTC 8 had to be brought down. It was damaged beyond repair and it was a major safety issue.

When the planes hit both towers, the weight from the floors above the impact was no longer distributed as it was designed. Add to that that you have fires burning that were over 1000 degrees. NO building material can withstand 1000 degree heat without failing in some sort of way. Again, physics come to play. With the design of the towers radically changed like they were, it was only a matter of time before they came down.

And BTW, My husband worked directly across the street from the WTC. He was in WTC everyday and he knew some people who never made it out.

Watch this. Everyone. :2 cents:

brits have always been bad actors

i understand your passion , but you dont disprove someone by using false information. The empire state building was hit by a b-25 bomber, with pieces flying the entire way through the building, not only did the building NOT "fall in some way" but it was open for business less than a week later.

Your "theory" can be disproven in any school science lab. A bunson burner burns at well over 1000 degrees, hold some building material like rebar in there and watch how fast it doesn't collapse.

Besides why would building 7 be burning at 1000 degrees ? falling 1000 degree debris from a block over ?

do you believe that any false flag op has ever been perpetrated against the population of the US?

On 9-11 all the laws of physics were put on hold.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. The official story was put out right after the events happened. All the "facts" were built around the story, and not the other way around.

LIke I said WTC 5 was heavily damaged, and burned for a long ass time and still had to be demolished. The fact that it (building 7) fell symetrically and that there was molten metal (over 2000 degrees) 6 weeks after still in the basement is a big question mark. I believe the madrid skyscraper is one of the most recent, burned for 20 hours... never collapsed.

Also the fact that most americans don't even know about building 7, shows the coverup even more.

:error

Please, before you type, at least google stuff and fact check it before you mindlessly regurgitate it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=melting+point+of+steel
http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...int_of_ste el
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/me...als-d_860.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel

good point :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

According to most of the posters in this thread, that appears to be the common logic.

Asbestos.

The WTC had been operating under a waiver to delay the
removal of asbestos which was all throughout the buildings.
Estimated cost of removal was in the billions.
Silversteen took over the WTC for $370 million.
A "fraction" of it's "supposed value".

The building was old and using too much power.
Tenants in the WTC were getting smaller and smaller because better buildings
were available.

Not saying he destroyed it; just stating a motive for such a thing.

no Suzzy, common logic cannot agree with "official" story, that's all.

how do we know it was actually Osama bin Laden? - intel service told us so.
same credible intel service that had confirmed intel that Iraq had WMD, so we went there.
how can any one trust them after that?

lets assume it was Osama who did it, how come we have quietly forgotten about him and let him live without justice?

did anybody actually seen remains of a plane that hit Pentagon? I guess same law of physics that brought 3 building down same way, completely destroyed plane upon hitting Pentagon and Pentagon suffering minimal damage.

how come people that were driving van with explosives on the same date were released quietly after 60 days?

you don't find any of this a bit suspicious? or these questions don't have any validity?

yeah we should just blindly believe anything official and not question anything.

Osama is on video tape stating that he did it. The planner and executioner of the plan is in our custody and he not only has admitted it but openly boasts about it. Osama has not been forgotten about and has a 20 million dollar reward on his head...dead or alive...and has been targeted with drones multiple times...and while the drones have killed Al Qaeda leaders and subordinates...it has turned out that Osama was not present at the times of the strikes. President Obama has ordered the military and CIA to increase their efforts to get him...dead or alive.

There was parts of the plane that hit the Pentagon...that were found...outside and inside the building...but yes the plane pretty much disintegrated.

this is insane btw.. you think they had intel on it and ran a drill to gear up for the whole thing?

yeah man we cant find Osama for how long? nothing wrong with that.. let him take good vacation before we bring him to justice - i guess its pretty logical for you :upsidedow

Let me start this by saying that I have not read any of the posts in here, and I won't even bother. But if you honestly believe 9-11 was an inside job then please kill yourself, because you are taking oxygen from people that are much smarter than you. Thank you for proactively committing suicide...

Get over yourself failed reseller hosting provider. War was going to happen no matter what anyone had to say, and it didn't matter if you were a sheep or if you were outspoken against it...

:thumbsup

are you talking about same smart people that led us to war with Iraq on what premise? i guess they forgot to tell us their real agenda.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Again get over yourself. Nobody gave a shit about Iraq, including most conservatives. That was totally a GWB pet project, and it didn't matter what side of the fence you were on because he was going in. 9-11 just gave him his excuse on a silver platter. No one disputes that invading Iraq was bullshit, but if you believe that he constructed 9-11 to make it happen then you don't deserve to live. He took advantage of a bad situation, which is how all politicians work...

I don't believe he constructed 9-11, and I doubt it was OBL even if it was OBL, the whole thing right after the event seems more like cover up than true official investigation. each day more and more people doubt it.
you say 9-11 gave GWB excuse to go into Iraq, it was said that intel had confirmed WMDs there, why then not single official is being prosecuted for this bullshit? not GWB not intel service? isn't strange at least? so our officials can straight up lie to us and we still gonna take BS that they feed us? you see nothing wrong with this picture?

you admit that all of them (polititians) basically scum and are sleazy bustards but yet their official story is somehow complete and true.

I really don't know, I just found it interesting.

Well if you really want to know the truth, maybe you should actually read some of the things presented in this thread. At least a presentation from a firefighter who was there.

The fact that you choose to call names before even reading the thread shows willful ignorance. Basically you wouldn't know what to do if what we say in this thread is true (which is is). So you choose to keep yourself blind and play it safe. I know cause I was like you once.

Try actually debating what is presented instead of just calling names. It will make you seem much smarter.

If he had good insurance, I'm sure that's less then what the insurance is paying him.

Most policies have a "fair rental value" clause in case of things like this so I would imagine he is being compensated for not being able to rent/lease the building.