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It's already been that way here for awhile... farmers can hire Mexicans for harvest time, they have some temp farmers visa for it. |
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But it happens every single day. |
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You know, like this country did during it's first 200 or so years of existence. |
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They do get used... often hired by companies that are doing illegal activities and need to hire someone that will look the other way. |
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Just because they're illegal aliens does not mean they are all heroin pushers. And I don't know where you live, but this town here close to me is basically "Little Mexico". Half the town is in spanish only, the other half is Spanish / English. I am not on the border, I'm in NorCal. |
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Just about any other situation, a cop can ask for your ID, your name, what you're doing and where you're going. Most people, comply... people like you don't, so they move on. Illegals say - I don't have an id or simply don't talk at all. If you're in a building, a crime happens, the cops lock the building down... they will ask for your ID and if you try to say no, you will be detained. If you have drugs on you, after they search you - you will go to jail. Just like the illegal that can't produce papers. If you fail to produce an ID at anytime - that's more than probable cause to look into things more. |
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I live 30 miles north of the Mexican border, 90% of the people around me are Mexican American, most are great people like any other community. The only illegal workers you see here, are Mexicans. |
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But that's all I'm saying.... those are examples of perfectly legit businesses, that happen to hire illegals. Hence, my point... it happens every day. Just cuz they're not hanging out outside of Home Depot doesn't mean it's not still happening, and with legit businesses, not only drug runners. They are still doing a lot of the jobs that the rest of us don't want to do. Well-to-do suburban white kids aren't going to fill those jobs. So when the labor pool dips too low, the whole shipping of illegals back to Mexico will cease again. It's cyclical. Step 1. GOP gets their hair all in a furor about illegals. Step 2. Some crazed Representative passes some bs law. Step 3. They start cracking down and sending them back by the trainload. Step 4. Labor pool dips to "frightening" levels. Step 5. Suburban lawns start to over grow and die off. Step 6. Stupid law gets removed or forgotten. Police are told to ease up. It's not going to change. |
The day you are forced to carry ID, is the day you lost WW2.
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If the guy did knock your door for 20 minutes and yell, you should have filed a complaint. It's the only way things like that stop. And because you are on your private property doesn't mean you don't have to identify yourself and provide ID to prove that if asked - however he had no cause to force it... The ID doesn't have to be on your person because you're on your property, but you still have to have one. You may want to learn what your constitutional rights are... your ID and the information on it isn't part of it. |
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You answered your own question. They are here ILLEGALLY. |
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Clearly, you don't understand what your liberties are and why or how you have them. |
Yeah, more government intervention....hmmmm I wonder where the Tea Party stands on this?
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Yes, you can exercise your rights, and yes the cop has to have have a reason - but to think by not giving your ID YOU are some how safer, is simply the stupidest logic in the world - unless you have a reason to hide it. |
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The labor pool hasn't dipped here.. well it did but quickly came back. and it won't any place enough. We have more than enough legal workers to cover any illegal worker gaps. Parts of the border here are damn near a war zone.... if something isn't done by the Gov, the people are going to take action more than they already have. |
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Your facts though are fucked... you aren't giving up any liberties in this situation, even if you gave him your ID - zero liberties were waved, zero security would have been lost. Wow man... let's just think of the simple logic, what if you weren't the owner? What if you did have the guy in the house? What about the security of the other people around you? Yeah... people like you think only about yourself, me me me, it's YOUR RIGHTS - not your liberties - You don't even understand what to have a problem with on this law. |
Nice.... my illegal polish/english speaking ass doesn't want to go USA anyway. I'm fine here where I am. :pimp
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Being that your dad was a cop, I figured he would have trained you how to talk to police so they leave you alone quicker, and that they don't bite.. but then again you may be looking through tainted glasses. All you had to ask was, am I being detained for something? Once he says no, the conversation is legally over. My years of Police and Military Police training at least taught me that.. |
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Cops become corrupt (or overreach their authority) because they operate in the civilian world where it's pretty easy to be corrupt. Instead of forking over even more cash to them, I say require them to strap on the body armor and go do a fucking tour in Afghanistan for a year or two for "training", before putting them on the street. Maybe it'll give them some desperately needed perspective. :2 cents: |
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You can laugh all you want... but that's just the way it is. I say give them more power in this situation, I think they should be allowed to go door to door and ask for your papers like they did me in Canada when I was on a work visa. They have every 'right' to ask for proof, even thought hey didn't know if I was American or not. I could have been legal or working illegally - and that is a huge no no in Canada and an idea that I greatly support! |
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You could go into the Mexican part of town, ask for some labor help, and grab some... If you did that with your Construction business, the white guy down the road is going to bust your ass to clear the competition. It's not happening as much as you would like to think it is... "in business" yes it happens, but because of the law most just leave the state now. They just busted a transportation company that was setup by an illegal, that hired illegals to transport illegals. |
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These half baked "illegal enforcement" laws are bullshit. Nothing but posturing. If they really wanted to stop illegals from crossing over, put up a fucking wall on the border, staff it with guards and be done. It's not rocket science. And I mean a real wall. Make it thirty feet high with the top wrapped in military grade electrified concertina wire, guard turrets, cameras, gigantic warning signs, the works. Would certainly cost much less than all this dick chasing we've engaged in forever. |
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However I also respect my fellow American, being that I fought for my Country - I love my Country. So when illegals are coming across and killing farmers, which just happened. When drug lords raid American family homes and hold them hostage, and when Americans are affraid, dieing, and giving up land to be safe - THEN - lets not forget the tax/medical/insurance costs that they DO cost every American... then yes, I have a HUGE problem with illegals. They're more than welcome to come - legally so they can be part of the system, just like me. |
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We have the most technologically advanced, best equipped, deadliest, well-trained, elite fighting military machine on the face of the Earth. They cannot be used to police a border with a country we have no argument with. But we could Federally authorize the building of said wall, and put the actual, you know, Border Patrol on the job of monitoring it. |
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"Governors may call upon Soldiers and Airmen to assist in community support, disaster relief and other local emergencies." |
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Speeding is not criminal unless it's reckless and such. |
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But policing the U.S./Mexico border as an accepted permanent daily role for them is something else entirely. That's Border Patrol's duty. |
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Crime = unlawful activity Someone speeding is as much of a criminal as an illegal immigrant. Except illegal immigrants are pretty harmless, on the other hand, speeding puts people's lives in danger. So why do people care about illegal immigrants, while other forms of crime are not a problem? |
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Harmless? Murder, drug/gun running, human trafficking is harmless? |
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