Is there a market here for turnkey paysites?

[Amputate Your Head]

Just curious what the environment is here currently.

Anyone that might be interested in turnkey paysites? Fully custom designed, and filled with starter content? Of course with additional content and design modifications available, as well as some basic customization included in the price... you know, like... urls..... links.... some copy.... etc...

?

[Barefootsies]

Depends on a lot of factors.

Are you just making the pay site and/or with the design? Good luck selling that.

Or you going to also provide the content, the descriptions for the content, the hosting for the site(s), the CMS it is running on, integration of the processor(s), along with the additional support?

See sig.

[WarChild]

You honestly think it's difficult to find hosting, CMS, integrate a processor or get support without having a middle man? I mean really, even pussyserver was able to figure it out. It's not exactly rocket science.

Personally I think people that are trying to break in to this business are going about things completely ass backwards if they're trying to start their own paysite before they've mastered traffic sourcing.

[Theo]

for ex-gf niches I would say yes..but i can't think of others

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Depends on a lot of factors.

Are you just making the pay site and/or with the design? Good luck selling that.

Or you going to also provide the content, the descriptions for the content, the hosting for the site(s), the CMS it is running on, integration of the processor(s), along with the additional support?

See sig.

Well no.... hadn't planned on packaging all that.
Just design & "starter" content.... you know... the shit that's built into the design. Plus any additional customization or content that you may want.
The rest is up to you.

If I could package all that shit together, I wouldn't be hawking design & content.

Basically a "get started package" except with decent content and design. I don't see many options for that out there. Actual custom design work is much more expensive, you have to provide the content and everything.... as well as do the rest of the leg work. This would be a chance to load something like, a "site module" into your network.... at minimal cost, and without the commitment of a custom job. (which can take anywhere from a few days to a few months, depending on the scope of the project).
You could then supplement it with other content you have, or whatever....

or have it tweaked just the way you want...


was just a thought.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You honestly think it's difficult to find hosting, CMS, integrate a processor or get support without having a middle man? I mean really, even pussyserver was able to figure it out. It's not exactly rocket science.

Personally I think people that are trying to break in to this business are going about things completely ass backwards if they're trying to start their own paysite before they've mastered traffic sourcing.

Well no.... I don;t think that stuff is difficult. That's why I'm not packaging all that.
Just the up front advertising.... the tour and the initial content. The rest, you should be able to figure out, or you're not going to last long in the biz.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You honestly think it's difficult to find hosting, CMS, integrate a processor or get support without having a middle man? I mean really, even pussyserver was able to figure it out. It's not exactly rocket science.

Personally I think people that are trying to break in to this business are going about things completely ass backwards if they're trying to start their own paysite before they've mastered traffic sourcing.

Did I say it was difficult? No.

However, unlike you I actually cater to this market. I know what it takes to SELL a turnkey solution. Hence my remarks to the O.P. in regards to making, and selling, turnkey sites.

People are lazy and unless you are providing EVERY aspect of that site. You are going to have a hard time selling it. So unless you are going to cover everything I just said. Then you are going to have a hard time finding buyers. Period.

Those who can do it themselves would do it themselves and not find a middle man to do it for them. If you are going to BE that middle man. Then you need to have a total solution in place if you ever plan to make a sale of any kind.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Basically a "get started package" except with decent content and design.

Yeah, I kind knew where you were going before being sidetracked with WC's typical nonsense.

Getting back to your O.P., you still have to find a MARKET for that. Because after all, this is GFY where according to the know-it-alls. Everyone's a big balla banking in mad loot. So none of these big champs are going to be interested in your start up right?

So there are some various things you would need to consider if you are seriously looking at this as a business model. Especially from your end. I have been doing these for a couple of years now, and I've went through many stages of development, and learning curves before you get to where you can market, and sell, a solution.

Also keep in mind that most who would invest in something like this, want additional support. They want you putting in a lot of safe guards where, at minimum, they get ROI in a reasonable amount of time. If you can't give them some sort of time line, again from EXAMPLES OF DOING IT YOURSELF, then it becomes difficult to close business.

Most of those interested in something like this want some kind of assurance they can at least make back their investment money, and then some. In today's market, it is a lot more complicated then it looks to go from concept to close.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Yeah, I kind knew where you were going before being sidetracked with WC's typical nonsense.

Getting back to your O.P., you still have to find a MARKET for that. Because after all, this is GFY where according to the know-it-alls. Everyone's a big balla banking in mad loot. So none of these big champs are going to be interested in your start up right?

So there are some various things you would need to consider if you are seriously looking at this as a business model. Especially from your end. I have been doing these for a couple of years now, and I've went through many stages of development, and learning curves before you get to where you can market, and sell, a solution.

Also keep in mind that most who would invest in something like this, want additional support. They want you putting in a lot of safe guards where, at minimum, they get ROI in a reasonable amount of time. If you can't give them some sort of time line, again from EXAMPLES OF DOING IT YOURSELF, then it becomes difficult to close business.

Most of those interested in something like this want some kind of assurance they can at least make back their investment money, and then some.

Well, it was just an idea... I happen to know a really good content source, and thought we could join forces and do something cool. But then, that's why I asked.... if there's no market for it, then I can move on with other ideas I have. Not trying to force anything on anyone.

Personally, I prefer custom work clients. The pay is much better. Just thought I could offer something more affordable to a wider group of people. That's all.
If no one is interested, then no one is interested. I'm not going to break my back over it.

[Calico Jack]

I think there is a market for such a thing. People with no know how are always looking for an easy foot in the door. Whether they can make it work for them or not is up to them, but having a well designed head start is something I think total newbs would find appealling.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

If no one is interested, then no one is interested. I'm not going to break my back over it.

I hear ya man.

There is really a lot that goes into it, and more than I am willing to type out on a message board. I've been doing it for a few years now, selling both start ups and developed sites, and there is a method to that madness. It requires some good connections and partnerships as it were to get all the pieces you need. Even then, you still need descriptions, and other things in place.

Just when you think you have it all handled, you run into issues like I talk about HERE. You think that you do not have to take those extra steps and can pinky wave them into the moonlight, but when others drop the ball it comes back on you.

While there is a market, you have to develop that market. It does not just exist out of the blue. You see all the marketing and promotions I do. That's across various boards and sites. It's profitable, but time consuming. Not only up to the sale, but after you're done you are still providing support.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I hear ya man.

There is really a lot that goes into it, and more than I am willing to type out on a message board. I've been doing it for a few years now, selling both start ups and developed sites, and there is a method to that madness. It requires some good connections and partnerships as it were to get all the pieces you need. Even then, you still need descriptions, and other things in place.

Just when you think you have it all handled, you run into issues like I talk about HERE. You think that you do not have to take those extra steps and can pinky wave them into the moonlight, but when others drop the ball it comes back on you.

While there is a market, you have to develop that market. It does not just exist out of the blue. You see all the marketing and promotions I do. That's across various boards and sites. It's profitable, but time consuming. Not only up to the sale, but after you're done you are still providing support.

I don't generally provide "support" after the sale.... because in most cases, there's nothing to support. It's sent off to programmers and various other people, and what I've done at my level of the dev is over. Of course if someone needs more material, that's one thing.... or a duplicate of the original dev or something.... but I am not an ongoing copywritier or programming support station here. The project ends from my side when it's approved and delivered and paid for. Beyond that, they're on their own.

[Theo]

AMP, do you have facebook? i so mail me your account [email protected] !

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Beyond that, they're on their own.

Again, I feel you hoss.

However, based on your description, that means you are marketing toward established players. Maybe not those who/have done pay sites, or those who have 10 years in, but those who've been in adult to some degree. You would be ASSuming they know where to go for those missing pieces, and are motivated to move forward from there.

You are marketing to those who would know what to do with your finished product, and then take that next step. While not necessarily impossible. I frankly think, for this business model, this industry, and this economic climate, more difficult.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Again, I feel you hoss.

However, based on your description, that means you are marketing toward established players. Maybe not those who/have done pay sites, or those who have 10 years in, but those who've been in adult to some degree. You would be ASSuming they know where to go for those missing pieces, and are motivated to move forward from there.

You are marketing to those who would know what to do with your finished product, and then take that next step. While not necessarily impossible. I frankly think, for this business model, this industry, and this economic climate, more difficult.

Yeah,.... it would have to be aimed at someone that either, already knows what they're doing, or someone starting out that's willing to dive in and figure it out. That was my fear on this.... most everyone else either already has a source for their stuff, doing their own stuff, or will shop for custom work because of specific content or specific content sources.

hmm... well.... I don't know. I still think there's something there.... just not really sure what it is yet.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

hmm... well.... I don't know. I still think there's something there.... just not really sure what it is yet.

Keep in mind that you have to market like a mofo to close decent dollar ticket items in this industry/economy. That will not be a few posts here and there on GFY. You will have to do it much bigger, and broader.

You do not need to believe just me on this. Ask ANY content producer, or CMS builder... anyone selling a bigger ticket item of any kind in this industry i nthe past 18-24 months. See what THEY tell you about what's involved in the marketing and promotion of your wares to get them to the right eyeballs and closed.

Anything over $250/500.00 takes a lot of energy and time to market and promote (unless in very high demand). If you are not willing to put that time in, or have that skill set. It will be difficult for you. Not everyone likes working the boards. But it is a necessary evil.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

AMP, do you have facebook? i so mail me your account [email protected] !

i got your email yo i replied

drive by post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Keep in mind that you have to market like a mofo to close decent dollar ticket items in this industry/economy. That will not be a few posts here and there on GFY. You will have to do it much bigger, and broader.

You do not need to believe just me on this. Ask ANY content producer, or CMS builder... anyone selling a bigger ticket item of any kind in this industry i nthe past 18-24 months. See what THEY tell you about what's involved in the marketing and promotion of your wares to get them to the right eyeballs and closed.

Anything over $250/500.00 takes a lot of energy and time to market and promote (unless in very high demand). If you are not willing to put that time in, or have that skill set. It will be difficult for you. Not everyone likes working the boards. But it is a necessary evil.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think.

I'd like to believe there's some substance to what you're saying....
on the other hand, you've revealed yourself as a competitor, and so how am I supposed to know you're not just shying me off from the game so you don't have another player?

Not judging your character or anything.... but really, how am I supposed to know?

Obviously, I will need to invest more time in researching this.

I disagree with your view of marketing... or maybe we just approach it differently.... or maybe I'm completely out of touch with the full impact of the recession....
whatever...
but I have consistently sold custom high-end work for close to a decade, with little to no marketing effort whatsoever. My work speaks for itself. (albeit, ironically I admit, none of it is available for viewing unless you're in the know.)

What I mean is, the target audience is already pretty darn small to begin with. Nothing I do or sell is of any interest to the majority of the population of Earth. Because they can't make use of it. The operators are the ones turning it into a money machine. (or going bust in the process).

I'm merely selling one of the tools required to build that machine..... I would think, whether custom or turnkey, if the product is solid, someone will get value out of it. And I get what you're saying about high dollar products needing a shit ton of marketing in this economy.... but again, in my experience across many different advertising fields, products, areas, and regular old fashioned consumer oriented surfing.... if the shit is worth buying, someone will buy it. How much you put into marketing it will ultimately decide the end take.... but it will sell, even with minimal marketing.

And remember, we all have different levels of what we consider to be "optimal success".
Not everyone wants to live in a pimped out mansion any more. (plus, taxes are getting really tricky these days). Money is overrated.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think.

I'd like to believe there's some substance to what you're saying....
on the other hand, you've revealed yourself as a competitor, and so how am I supposed to know you're not just shying me off from the game so you don't have another player?

Not judging your character or anything.... but really, how am I supposed to know?

Doesn't bother me bud. Go full force into it. You can either succeed or fail.

I do not know you, nor ever had any disagreement with you. On or off the boards. I shared my experience, and what I have went through over the past few years developing this market across a half dozen, if not more, WM boards.

I'm simply letting you know it's more difficult than you think, and you're more than welcome to try it. After all, it's not my money on the line. Additionally what you do really will not effect me either way.

So have at it, and good luck friend.

[NaughtyRob]

Yes, I've sold several and know others that have. And I am about to put up another.

[NaughtyRob]

Sold one of those turnkey... my next one is the same style.

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

for ex-gf niches I would say yes..but i can't think of others

[sandman!]

no..............

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You honestly think it's difficult to find hosting, CMS, integrate a processor or get support without having a middle man? I mean really, even pussyserver was able to figure it out. It's not exactly rocket science.

Personally I think people that are trying to break in to this business are going about things completely ass backwards if they're trying to start their own paysite before they've mastered traffic sourcing.

[grumpy]

heads up for the designs of AMP, if he does the design you already have a headstart over your competitors.

[SEO Expert]

AMP, can you make those "ExGf" sites?

leave your contact info if so

[$5 submissions]

Either you FIND a market or you can also try CREATING one.

[WarChild]

Hey AMP can't find you on ICQ. Haven't talked to you since, I don't know when. I guess when you were still doing the Reality Cash designs.

I've built and sold a few sites for profit although not in several years. If the content source is who I'm thinking and you do some of the top quality designs I've seen you do, you'll probably have a quality product to sell. In the end will it be profitable enough for you? I have no idea.

You'll be able to market your stuff to a higher end market. Barefootsies is basically trying to peddle crap to newbs so it's totally different. Anyway hit me up on ICQ if you want to chat.

[pradaboy]

Maybe you should talk to amacontent, he's been trying to sell some turnkey paysites on here.

If I remember correctly your designs are top notch so I think there's always a market for that.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You'll be able to market your stuff to a higher end market. Barefootsies is basically trying to peddle crap to newbs so it's totally different.

Except for the fact that 'Barefootsies' also peddles stuff to programs as well. Thanks for, again, reinforcing how little you know about who I do business with.

As I've said before Hong Kong Phooey, stick to something you can do your know-it-all speeches about.... Karate to 10 year olds. Your ASSumptions about who all I do business with, what I do, and the money I make, just makes you out to be an assclown.

[BigDeanEvans]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Except for the fact that 'Barefootsies' also peddles stuff to programs as well. Thanks for, again, reinforcing how little you know about who I do business with.

As I've said before Hong Kong Phooey, stick to something you can do your know-it-all speeches about.... Karate to 10 year olds. Your ASSumptions about who all I do business with, what I do, and the money I make, just makes you out to be an assclown.

Yeah, cause the thread asking who has/is/was/were doing business with you was 20 pages long of people falling over each other to say they have

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

.....

Already working on another ban with a new fake nick eh?

You're off to a good start.

[Loch]

AMP, how do one get in touch with you?

[BigDeanEvans]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Already working on another ban with a new fake nick eh?

You're off to a good start.

Fake nick? ban? get real you 2 dollar board whore.