I would say the exact same thing about you but it's been proven to the point where it doesn't need to be repeated. Now people can just marvel at the hilarity of your posts.

Oh snap! I have a copy of Mein Kampf in my room, as well as a Time Magazine. By JFalcon's hilarious logic, I'm both a Nazi and a liberal!!

Hey troll, are you too stupid to even read? He's a registered Republican.

Sure thing troll, yet this was your initial statement, putting your powers of inference on the same level as a little girl.

Gotta love the objectivity and double standards:)

Btw, what makes you more pathetic is that you had to dig up a thread that only 1-2 people bumped, and bump it yourself. Let's see if anybody responds to you. Knowing your track record on here, I have a better chance of being offered sex by someone on GFY.

There are discrimination laws, and the hippocrattic oath to keep in mind. He CAN do whatever he wants, but not without repercussion.

According to the articles that were linked earlier there are doctors who accept medicare/medicaid who are saying they will now be going broke once the medicare pay cuts come into play. They say they will either have to cut out some medicare patients or just make a whole lot less money.

Some of the numbers they gave didn't seem to add up for me, but they seemed pretty adamant that they would be losing some serious cash. One that stood out was that the doctor said he had three different price levels that he charged patients with the highest one being around $130 (and the lowest around $70) per visit and that right now Medicare would pay him about 80% of that if he saw a medicare patient. My mom is 70 and on Medicare and her doctor charged $200 for a visit. I pay cash to see my doctor and he charges between $180-$220 a visit. So I wonder why this guy is charging so much less and if that is the norm.

My doctor charges 85$ per visit. I suggest that you do some doctor shopping.

I go to a clinic that has about a half dozen doctors...so that may be why an office call is so much cheaper as overhead is shared.

Actually, I have. The doctor I had seen for a while left the clinic he was working at last year and moved to a different state. I had no real reason to stay at the clinic I went to so I called about 10 different places and asked them about their doctors and their prices. Every one of them was between $165-$200 just to walk in the door. The odd thing is that it is only about $150 to see the doctor at the urgent care center so where I live it is cheaper to go to the urgent care center than it is to see a regular family doctor.

With my mom, the last time I took her in she had a bunch of questions and her doctor had to hurry through them. She told my mom that is she stays with a patient any longer than 30 minutes they have to bill extra and it is $240 for the visit and medicare won't pay that much.

Many clinics try to keep an office call down to 15 minutes...because...if for no other reason...they over book. I think you and I live in the same state...but I am in a rural area...so maybe in bigger cities the cost is higher.

I have private insurance but because of my preexisting conditions it is very...very limited in what it will cover. If my medical costs are going to be under a $1000.00 I usually just pay cash. For anything over I usually drive to a VA hospital.

The assembly-line version of healthcare will only get worse. Less doctors treating more people for less money. If you thought you waited for a long time to see a specialist now,just hang on.

I just did some looking around and it looks like the most recent info I could find was for 2008. In that it showed the average cost of an existing patient office visit for the city I live in was $126. The rest of the state (not counting my city) was around $105.

I pay cash for my doctor visits and the clinic I used to go to was actually really cool about it. since I paid cash they would often do different versions of tests that were cheaper and they would give me a ton of a free samples of the medicine I take. I have asthma so I can't get health insurance that will cover it and I pay for it all out of pocket. The doctor would always hook me up with about 3 months worth of free samples when I went in. It rocked. Hopefully I can find someone similar to that now.

What I'm saying is, doctors that have low class patients as their majority, are going to greatly benefit from this.

The left doesn't realize this, I have no idea why. It's common sense.

That may very well be the case. Right now it seems doctors have every minute of every day booked and if they fall behind at all, everyone waits.

I have a feeling the medicare cuts will either never actually happen or will not last long. If they do doctors will complain as will the elderly and the elderly vote. They will not hesitate to vote those who want the cuts out and those who will reverse the cuts into office. This is one of the reasons I think this health care bill will skyrocket in cost. They won't want to piss off doctors and the elderly and they are doing just that so they will reverse their direction and by continuing to pay full price for medicare it will crank the cost of this bill even higher.

The primary reason it will skyrocket in costs is because the government is involved. In my lifetime I cannot think of a single program/project that the government has been involved in that did not skyrocket in cost...and I mean SKYROCKET. Can you?

BTW...I mean City...County...State and Federal government.

I guess I'm confused as to how. This doctor in one of the articles listed in this thread breaks it down. Basically, his total overhead when he takes into consideration the cost of his supplies, office, staff, insurance etc is 60K a month. He says if he makes any less than that in a month he will lose money. About 30% of his patients are medicare/medicaid patients. So that means about 30%of his income is about to take a 21% hit. He says if he continues to see the same amount of medicare patients that he will personally end up making little more than minimum wage.

Now obviously there might be ways to cut costs in the office, but I wonder what the math is that says doctors who will treat medicare patients will greatly benefit.

Also, if this is the case, doesn't that statement then fly in the face of others you have made? You have said this bill will cause a shortage of doctors and long waits for treatment. Well, if most of the people who are going to be getting insurance are going to be medicare/medicaid patients and there is a lot of money to be made treating them then it stands to reason that there would be a lot of doctors who would want to take these patients on and if the money is there then there will be no shortage of people who want to become doctors.

Nope, I can't. Anything the government gets involved in ends up becoming bloated, corrupt and costs a whole hell of a lot more than it would have if it were run as a private business.

An old lady that is a neighbor...who has Medicare as her primary coverage...once showed me a statement of several medical procedures she had done at the local hospital. I do not remember the specifics of the procedures but I do remember that for each procedure done Medicare payed about 50-60% of the cost that the hospital actually charged for those procedures. Apparently there are some doctors that currently will not take Medicare or Medicaid patients because of low and slow payments made by the government...as well as the paperwork involved. I don't know if hospitals have that option but I suspect that at least some do.

Shocked about what?

Every cloud has a silver lining.

And this is a problem?

He said he will not turn anyone away.

I have a feeling it won't just be specialists you are waiting on. I wonder how many will be surprised.

right, cause it's really going to suck for this guy to simply get hte money directly from the government

rahter than chase down a bunch of insurance companies for payment

jsut cause the moron has a PHD

doesn't mean he isn't a moron

can someone point to the part of the oath this doctor violated?

here:

The Hippocratic Oath (Modern Version)[10]
? I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

So only the rich deserve to get treated and the rest should die? WTF kind of asshole are you? There will be ZERO assembly line healthcare. If you are so stupid that you actually believe that please kill yourself and spare the world of your idiocy.

Sometimes there is just rirght and worng. It's not illegal to fuck your best friend's wife that doesn't make it ok. Use some common sense. Are your ethics and morality just soley based on what's written in some book? Or do you not have the intellect to instinctivley know when something isn't ok?

you are a bigger idiot than you act here if you conclude this from my asking what part of the oath he violated.

fact is, the doctor is a bigger shit ass than you but he didn't violate the oath or spirit of the oath, he simply showed his inability to see politics and legislation in a realistic view.

now gfy.

The only doctors going out of business are ones that have been scamming the medicare system for excess $$ for years at TAXPAYER expense. Why any TAXPAYER would be against stopping this fraud is beyond me. It's OUR money. Honestly with 32 million more potential patients if you as a doctor can't make a living of that then perhaps you need to do something else.

Who pissed in your cherrios today asswipe?

no one, shit stain. next time don't twist a straight up question into one about my morality, common sense, and basic intellect.

As I understand it, not many doctors have low income earners and medicare/medicaid patients as the majority of their clientele.

And if anyone has any doubts whether this child took the SATs at 13, you need only read this thread for the amount of nonsense and bullshit someone can randomly make up and pass it off as fact.. Too funny.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup: :) :) :)

that is how I understand it as well. But from what I have read the reason is because they make very little money off of these patients so they have to offset them with other patients that either pay cash or have regular insurance.

You have said those who choose to exclusively treat lower end patients stand to make a lot of money, yet you have said how that will be. If a doctor's office doesn't take on a lot of medicare/medicaid patients because they don't make much money off of them, how will they thrive if that is all they treat? Maybe I'm missing something.

I knew the answer like a week ago lol, I'll ask the doctor.

I dont see where in the sign it says he wont treat them. Can you point it out for me?

They can't and wont. My grandfathers doctor sent out a letter to all the people he treats in his practice. He said he is closing shop if ObamaCare passed. Now that it has passed he says he is going to close in 2014 and downsizing now by helping people find new doctors before the mass exodus of doctors happens in 2013/14

Another great American Patriot :thumbsup

Get him to come over to Australia or New Zealand. He will literally just walk into the country no fuss being a doctor and will probably earn quite a bit more, especially if he is willing to fill a gap. We are trying to poach doctors from a few countries and will probably step up efforts in the US now that your new scheme has passed :)

I wonder how many doctors know this. You might not have a gap to fill after 2014 lol

The ironic part is the doctor is a democrat and voted for Obama. :helpme

Seems like most of you missed the point entirely as to why he posted that sign. It has nothing to do with who he will or will not treat. It's nothing but a way for him to kiss the ass of the uptight republicans that make up his client list. They eat that shit up with a spoon and when they go in to see him, you can bet they will all be saying "Doc, you are so right about that bastard Obama". I doubt the man treats a single Democrat.

Yup. WE missed the point, lol..

My former doctor was recruited to New Zealand.

I took the SATs at 13. :upsidedow

It's going to be great when the sky doesn't fall over HCR and it proves to be a popular program.

Would you want to visit a doctor that posted an anti-Bush sign on the door, and inside was pro-Gore propaganda? Hell no.

You want to feel comfortable when you see the doctor. You don't want to get caught up in politics or talk about Jesus. You want a doctor with some professionalism and more than just borderline ethics. You want to be able to take the guy seriously.

I can think of a pretty specific example: Every other country with socialized medicine. The US spends the most pet capita on health care and it's still out of reach of many and/or a huge financial burden.

Try again sport...as your example is not relevant...to the question that was asked and to his answer.

I know it's tough pathfinder but try to keep up.

I think there are several reasons that we spend more than many other countries. First off, we are forced by our government to pay 300% or higher for medicine than just about any other country in the world. Second, we have a higher standard of living that a lot of places. This means things cost more here than they do a lot of other places. Third, we have a lot of uninsured and illegals who get care but never pay for it and that cost is passed on to the paying customers. Fourth, our leaders are bought and sold by insurnace companies and pharmaceutical companies. They routinely side with with these companies that are raking us over the coals instead of with the average working stiff.

If you happen to not have the money, or you have a pre-existing condition, then you get left behind in our system which is pretty sad to me.

You're right Kane but at this point, we don't have anything better. What Obama did made it worse. "We should have a system like Canada's!!" Yea sure. Except they're desperately trying to prop up private insurance out there because they're saying their current universal health care system is becoming unsustainable. And that's for 33 million people.

Yeah just moved from NZ, and they are screaming out for doctors and just throwing money at good ones to come over. :) The public system is decent, but still they need a few more good doctors and glad they are getting them from the US :)

It is good to see people standing up against Obama's big government schemes.