theCono

my message is for just the software companies who builds up tube site scripts with complex templating systems!

None of the webmasters in this industry don't have to know programming skills to build up a tube site themselves. I am simply designing tube's for my customers and they keep looking at design. do you know why? its just because of your fucked up tube script's templating system. And when they want to get it set up for their script, most of you charge around $500-$1000 for that! No way with that principle!


Ok now who agree with me ? i'm serious , otherwise this is just going to be a bullshit like that!

and also please recommend me some tube scripts which is easy to set for my customers. there were comusthumbs in the near past which was really easy to set up. it was just like ##thumb1## ##thumb2### ##thumb3### ##thumb4### etc etc. and that's the easy one! There were 100k's of thumb sites in the past which use those easy scripts.


I hope you understand why i am carrying!

to all complex tube script companies


lol i know i am a bit angry!

cono

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theCono

hey man my bad words were just for my customers who can not set their templates up because of complex templating systems. your little brain got it now ?


and also i didn't have so much fucking free time like you to join GFY before

lol again

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theCono

yes, i heard well about mechbunny template system but its a bit expensive , isn't it ?

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Shouldn't you be happy that your clients are not able to do it themselves so you can make a buck?
Unfortunately i can't recommend our script since we use "gay" smarty templating engine.

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You get the source code for customization and unlimited installs.. Compared to others this is the bomb really. I don't even use it either

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I know what your saying. Some of these scripts are painful to intergrate.

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Check out Tube Ace, the templates are very easy to edit. Free Trial is available as well.

The Dawg

Who told you that?

k0nr4d

You do get unlimited domain license as well as the sources.

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smarty is very powerful but not very noob friendly

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I didn't know SMARTY had a sexual preference.

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If you can't learn something as simple as smarty, you shouldn't be a webmaster.

theCono

how much to move my tubeace licence to another domain ?

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apparently smarty is homosexual! didnt you get the memo when it "came out"

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lmao... oh man... If anyone needs templating done or even a full design done as well as the templating let me know. Unlike theCono I understand smarty

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Jack Sparrow

smarty sucks indeed.. in that light mechbunnies is way designer and coder friendly.

Godsmack

Smarty sucks only for the people that dont know how to use it.
For me HTML sucks as i don't know how to write a single line, Russian sucks as well as i don't know how to speak it.

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There have been a few good tester of our new flashgals script. It more than a tube script and the templating is easy as hell. If you know basic html/css you will do just fine. If your client have comus, they can still keep the script and convert it to tube like here in this example with ST:

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BestXXXPorn

I have some words on this topic... any developer that uses Smarty by decision should be taken out back and shot...

There is no need for Smarty, you can read a rant I wrote here: http://blog.ericfilson.com/2009/12/s...t-of-my-house/

It's just not needed... you don't need a templating system for a fucking language which deals in templates... It's like telling a carpenter he needs to build a new machine that will build one piece of furniture for each piece of furniture he wants to make rather than just making the piece of furniture...

It offers NOTHING but a pain in the ass...

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BestXXXPorn

No, Smarty just sucks... really, it sucks ass... it's unnecessary, a waste of time, waste of resources, hard to find someone to work on, and accomplishes absolutely nothing but obfuscating your fucking code base...

You fail as a developer if you use Smarty by choice. Harsh words, I know, but I would never even consider hiring a developer that thinks there is value in Smarty. There simply ISN'T. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

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Varius

I love Smarty and have for years (so you are welcome to shoot me out back, BestXXXPorn )

The main issue is just like PHP, people dive right into using it based off some examples they found on the web or Smarty's Crash Course. I would wager that most people use only 5% of Smarty's features and functionality if that. This leads to messy, redundant coding and complex templates.

In my case, I write many of my own Smarty extensions and modifiers and it allows both my PHP code and Smarty Templates to be extremely simple and clean

BestXXXPorn, you are correct in your statement that you are adding a layer upon another layer, but if you take advantage of all it has to offer, it IMO is a very useful tool.

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BestXXXPorn

Everything you've written to extend Smarty could have been written more efficiently in PHP ;)

Smarty takes way longer to parse... before people jump my case about it not being noticeable, it's not. However when you manage top 100 alexa sites and you have 100+ machines deployed per colo... Oh man do you notice... Smarty does NOT scale well... not when you reach a certain size...

My main point is that you can do all of those things more efficiently by cutting out Smarty... less hardware resources, cleaner and more readable code base, and you're not introducing... ANOTHER fucking language into the mix...

If you develop third party apps and force other people to use smarty then being shot out back is not enough for you...

The ONLY place I see Smarty used is in the adult space...

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Godsmack

Well, i guess if you say so.. you seem to think you are right, so be it. Will not go into a useless/pointless discussion about this as it adds nothing important.

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We've been doing it all wrong!!

Every developer I've ever met is smarter than every other developer I've ever met.

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BestXXXPorn

Everyone's sites would run faster without it ;)

For what it's worth, I've done a good bit of work in Carma and out of all the adult industry CMSs out there, you guys handle Smarty the best

The fact remains though that Smarty provides absolutely nothing of value and costs the end user (in the case of third party software) more in the long run. Both in terms of hardware resources and human resources...

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TMM_John

Thanks.

Running a software company and selling a product is a totally different world than doing one off custom development & consulting for people. There are many needs and issues to balance. IMO, its a lot harder, but the reward can of course be quite more substantial.

Running a software company by making all tech decisions based solely on efficiency will run it straight into the ground. Take into account many other factors which are very important (and not getting a detailed discussion from me here) and SMARTY makes a lot of sense.

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Varius

I'll agree with you on some other points, like if building a software for sale, many people don't know/use Smarty so it's not a wise choice. I also agree, to my knowledge there are no currently Top 100 sites using it. That doesn't mean much though as I have seen the code of two Top 100 Alexa sites myself and Smarty would definitely be an improvement over the mess they currently have and call 'code'

However on it using WAY more resources I must disagree, once it's been accessed it is compiled and like including any other PHP file. It's actually pretty lightweight as far as template systems go as the majority of load is in the plugins enabled/disabled. While it's caching is not something I'm a fan of, I've seen case studies where people got almost identical results in case studies of large (simulated) load on with Smarty vs. straight PHP.

Also, when you talk about such high load sites, *almost* always their issues stem from poor database query/database structure. I would be quite surprised if an otherwise perfect site suffered in performance due to using Smarty.

In the past, we have also experienced with multiple designers (in-house) that they were able to work with Smarty templates much easier than with standard PHP code. However, in such a situation we taught them the basics of Smarty and attempted to use only a limited amount of Smary functions in the templates to not overwhelm them.

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BestXXXPorn

John, I stand by what I said, TMM does the best work with smarty... and not only that but, in my opinion, does the best job at implementing a CMS in terms of template organization and a logical web interface for modifying, duplicating, extending templates, etc... In fact whenever I'm asked about what CMS someone should go with that's in the adult industry, Carma is my first answer and NATS is my first answer for affiliate software. So don't take my comments to heart too much, you guys are running a fantastic software development company.

I understand that many people opt for Smarty in a close source platform to protect their interests however...

{ carma function_name properties, etc... }

could be performed easier by a simple

<?=function_name('whatever')?>

and it doesn't take knowledge of an additional language, only knowledge of what functions are opened up to the user...

I wrote my first major CMS, now used by government agencies, cities, companies, utility companies, etc..., 10 years ago. The adult industry take on a CMS is different from mainstream... The idea that the logic for creating datasets rests in Smarty or PHP which is added onto the project by the individual company utilizing it is off, in my opinion.

CMSs that I've written in the past don't take a person with template and/or developer knowledge to create additional pages, new content, new data sets, etc...

Instead they provide an interface where you assign the data set to any given page (page as defined by an end user visiting a specific url). You display to the user a list of data sets which are available and what conditions are available for those data sets... In adult industry terms a content site wants to add a new page that shows the latest 10 models to be added... They create a new page, chose the template, fill in the title, meta content, etc... and then select data sets to add to the page as well as a variable name. So, in this example, they would select Gallery -> Models and choose their count (10), their sort (added_on), their sort order (desc), and a variable name (we'll call it modelList). (They could also choose a template for the loop if there's more than defaults).

In the template for their page they could select a previously used template, like Carma allows now, and then simply click a button for "Add Data Set" or whatever you'd like to call it... JS prompt for the name (modelList) and a tag of: <?=$modelList?> is dropped in place.

I would add that this can be streamlined for templates (PHP) in the system which have a generic $content var for anything that will be populated in that area. In this case a user of the CMS would never even need to look at any template...

There isn't anything wrong per se with the way most adult CMSs do it now, it just places a lot of work in the hands of developers... This method allows anyone to create new pages with new data sets without having to be versed in Smarty or even PHP.

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I second that

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It is impossible for an additional layer of abstraction to reach the performance of a system sans that layer unless additional technologies are employed within that layer which boost performance... In this case, the caching. However, nothing beats Fast-CGI PHP via nginx with XCache.

Smarty definitely uses way more resources... Rather than processing inline it has to load a framework which will in turn load all templates into memory and each template has to be parsed... that's a major use of cycles right there...

I 100% agree with you on high load sites having DB bottlenecks... and Smarty IS lightweight when compared to other templating languages however, PHP IS a templating language... Why use a templating language within a templating language? The only logical answer to that is if you prefer the syntax of the inner templating language (in this case Smarty)... However, you must then admit that you are then making your development decisions based on personal preference rather than performance and accessibility/readability for others...

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Babaganoosh

If smarty is too tough for you then you're not a webmaster...you're a hobbyist.

Varius

It IS a personal preference, however it's been my experience the Smarty syntax IS easier to understand and offers quicker readability than PHP for many non-coders. It's obviously not the case for all, such as the OP of this thread, but I've seen more than a few coders (our own in-house staff for many years) who all much preferred working with Smarty and thus, were more productive in the end.

I'll give you two examples where I have found Smarty to be more useful.

The first, is in creating multi-lingual websites. I have used a few different ways with Smarty and used or seen dozens of methods in PHP over the years. After all is said and done, I find the easiest and easiest/quickest for translators to work with is through use of the config_load Smarty function. That can be replicated in PHP of course, but isn't AS simple (to non-coders).

The second, was when we allowed affiliates FTP access to modify their co-brands, which were Smarty templates. We limited the tags they were allowed to use to a select few tags and found a lot less people had trouble customizing and using those default template sets than if we had direct PHP pages (and the extra work on our end to ensure they weren't inserting bad code, etc...)

As John said above, he likely found a good reason why Smarty is better for them than straight PHP.

So I think we can all agree Smarty does add another layer over PHP, will never be AS fast (though I still think all things considered this aspect is negligible even on huge web infrastructures), but where you and I disagree is that you think Smarty is COMPLETELY USELESS while I believe it HAS ITS PLACE/ADVANTAGES.

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Serge Litehead

lol at people saying smarty sucks.
smarty is the best thing after php! altho i've seen some twisted ways people were using it.

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worst thing when there is no templating system in place and <tr> and <td>s all over php code

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Smarty can be great. It has multi caching features and it can be really fast if you know how to configure it.
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TubeX by jmb is awesome imo I love it and it's easy to fuck around with the templates.

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