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playa · 12-28-2002, 08:13 AM

i couldn't help notice these T&C from a paysite,
it confused the hell out of me, i still can't figure
out how much they charge,, through out the whole
site they say "FREE" "Don't Pay for Porn" but
yet

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SUBSCRIPTION FEES

The subscriber is responsible for paying periodic subscription fees according to the then-current billing terms. Subscription fees are non-refundable. The description on your credit card statement will be www.supabill.com. The fees payable are as follows:

Silver membership : once only payment (non-recurring) of $39.99.
Gold membership : once only payment (non-recurring) of $99.99.
Platinum membership : once only payment (non-recurring) of $199.99.

3 Day Free Trial or 30 min Quick Peek Pass :

The fee structure will average $20.36 per month - almost 1/2 what other mega sites charge! (please allow minor variation due to currency exchange fluctuations)

1. A FREE Trial of 3 days or 30 mins as selected, which can be cancelled at any time during the trial period. You will be charged a $1.95 Age Verification Fee.
2. A $49.99 fee per 31 days for the following 62 days
3. A recurring fee of $39.99 per 31 days for the following 62 days.
4. A recurring fee of $19.99 per 31 days for the following 31 days.
4. A recurring fee of $9.99 per 31 days thereafter.
5. A service fee of $1.95 may also be charged after the initial 14 days

In Addition:
ADDITONAL PREMIUM SERVICE MAY BE BILLED DURING THE TRIAL - these are available during the 3 Day Trial for an additional monthly recurring fee of $9.95 - charges apply immediately if you elect to purchase these services during the 3 Day Free Trial. The FREE DVD offer is available for redemption to 30 Min Free Trial members after 5 days. This Adult oriented DVD is available FREE to qualifying active members, postage fees may apply.

The Free Trial is made available by this company to enable a surfer to assess the quality of the goods before they purchase them. As with any purchase it is important to assure yourself that you are receiving good value for money. The Free Trial is only made available to users that believe they wish to stay a member at the conclusion of the Free Trial, to ensure that the user will have the financial capacity to remain a member, should they decide to do so, a "Pre-Authorization" is performed on the users credit card. This "Pre-Authorization" will lapse after 3 days, if the user does not take up the option of becoming a full member. A "Pre-Authorization" places funds on hold on a users credit card, the users card is NOT charged and no interest accrues.

Unleash_Hell · 12-28-2002, 08:17 AM

wtf??
I see your point

Paul Markham · 12-28-2002, 08:20 AM

The thing to look at closely is the "Free Trial" it is not free it's $1.95 and it is only for 30 minutes. you want to bet it takes 15 minutes to find the cancel button and then 15 minutes to fil in the form.

No wonder Visa are tightening up. We have little defense with arseholes like this around.

playa · 12-28-2002, 08:33 AM

notice how they "accidently" placed a "." after the url causing it to go 404,,

LOL,, nice little trick

Pornwolf · 12-28-2002, 08:58 AM

What paysite is that?

Que? · 12-28-2002, 09:09 AM

TeenTeenTeen got a nice cancel obstruction on their 24 hours free trial:
-It takes some time for your membership to be looged in the database so you have to wait four hours before you can cancel....(or something to that effect)

playa · 12-28-2002, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by Que?
TeenTeenTeen got a nice cancel obstruction on their 24 hours free trial:
-It takes some time for your membership to be looged in the database so you have to wait four hours before you can cancel....(or something to that effect)

lol

Snake Doctor · 12-28-2002, 09:15 AM

That's the TOS from a porncash site.
For those of you wondering how they can afford to pay you $30 on a free trial its as easy as fucking the surfer up the ass with no lube.
And $50 a month for the first 2 months and then it starts dropping....whew

Dveron · 12-28-2002, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
What paysite is that?

Those are from the Porn Cash T & C I believe.

playa · 12-28-2002, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
That's the TOS from a porncash site.
For those of you wondering how they can afford to pay you $30 on a free trial its as easy as fucking the surfer up the ass with no lube.
And $50 a month for the first 2 months and then it starts dropping....whew

so after 5 months it'll be only $9.99 per month

now thats a good deal

FlyingIguana · 12-28-2002, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by playa

so after 5 months it'll be only $9.99 per month

now thats a good deal

i don't know why most paysites don't drop the membership fees down to 10-15 bux a month after that many months. maybe even give them a free month

49thParallel · 12-28-2002, 09:46 AM

Not much different then the shady tricks played by about 95% of the sites out there....where trials need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial to avoid rebill. And yes, it's in their T & C's...usually after about 1,000 words of assorted legal mumble jumble that is designed to ensure that the surfer will simply assume that this is standard copyright clauses, and close the T & C before reading the Trial clause.

Yes, this business of full of boiler room, scamming pricks. And they all think they are so good at business. Truth is, anyone can suceed using these shady tactics. That doesn't take business smarts...

Cash · 12-28-2002, 09:59 AM

You need a lawyer to translate you the T&C before joining them.
I also read something similar at an avs, universalpass, I guess.

psyko514 · 12-28-2002, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by playa
notice how they "accidently" placed a "." after the url causing it to go 404,,

that's done by this forum, not by them.

http://www.consumerripoffreport.com/...mit2=Search%21

read that shit... supabill has the sketchiest terms and conditions of everyone. they offer "free 30 min passes" to see the whole site or "free 3 day passes" to visit a restricted part.
to find out about cancelling before the trial is over and all that shit, you have to click a tiny link to their t&c and decipher it.

Another sketchy thing is those companies like FreeNetPass, UniversalPass and FreeAgeCard which offer you a free AVS pass, but sign you up to a paysite at the same time.

From the FreeNetPass FAQ:

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Q: So what?s the catch?
A: There is no catch! You get access to the thousands of adult sites on the FreeNetPass system all for FREE!

From their Join page:

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*ATTN: Limited time offer!
Join FreeNetPass for free today and receive an exclusive FREE 3 day trial to the mega site SexUncensored! This trial will give you unlimited access to SexUncensored including its 50,000 videos and famous live sex feeds! ACT NOW - offer ends soon!

From their Terms and Conditions (which is only linked at the very bottom of the FAQ):

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Surfer agrees that in obtaining a FreeNetPass Free password, surfer is also receiving free trial access to Sexuncensored.com or RawMen.com for three days. After which time the subscription will renew at the listed rates for SexUncensored or RawMen at the time of signup (unless cancelled within the three day trial period) . Surfer agrees to follow the terms and conditions of these sites available at: http://www.freenetpass.com/sexuncensoredterms.htm
http://www.freenetpass.com/rawmenterms.htm . The FreeNetPass Free password is valid for one year.

SykkBoy · 12-28-2002, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
Not much different then the shady tricks played by about 95% of the sites out there....where trials need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial to avoid rebill. And yes, it's in their T & C's...usually after about 1,000 words of assorted legal mumble jumble that is designed to ensure that the surfer will simply assume that this is standard copyright clauses, and close the T & C before reading the Trial clause.

Yes, this business of full of boiler room, scamming pricks. And they all think they are so good at business. Truth is, anyone can suceed using these shady tactics. That doesn't take business smarts...

So, how's your program coming along? It's been awhile since we've heard from you. I'm curious to see the super honest, ultra open, non-shaving program in effect...seriously......

49thParallel · 12-28-2002, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2

So, how's your program coming along? It's been awhile since we've heard from you. I'm curious to see the super honest, ultra open, non-shaving program in effect...seriously......

I'm doing fine..thanks for asking..

And yes, I am still sick and tired of seeing "customers" raked over the coals..and only a handful of webmasters with the intelligence to admit that all of the techniques described in this thread are cheap excuses for not having the ability to develop a business without lying and cheating.

Sykkboy..maybe you can explain to me why you and others find it necessary to hide terms like, Cancel 24 hours before end of trial. Can you tell me that there is any reason for this beyond trying to trick the customer into a rebill. Plus, your T & C is in almost white blue, making the link do anything but stand out.

12-28-2002, 08:20 AM	#3
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12-28-2002, 08:58 AM	#5
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12-28-2002, 09:09 AM	#6
Que? Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 340	TeenTeenTeen got a nice cancel obstruction on their 24 hours free trial: -It takes some time for your membership to be looged in the database so you have to wait four hours before you can cancel....(or something to that effect) __________________ Send ccia out to deep space:<br> Donate to <a href="http://www.impai.org/">IMPA</a>

12-28-2002, 09:15 AM	#8
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12-28-2002, 09:59 AM	#13
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12-28-2002, 08:17 AM	#2
Unleash_Hell Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BUM FUCK AVENUE Posts: 110	wtf?? I see your point

12-28-2002, 08:33 AM	#4
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	notice how they "accidently" placed a "." after the url causing it to go 404,, LOL,, nice little trick

12-28-2002, 09:46 AM	#12
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Not much different then the shady tricks played by about 95% of the sites out there....where trials need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial to avoid rebill. And yes, it's in their T & C's...usually after about 1,000 words of assorted legal mumble jumble that is designed to ensure that the surfer will simply assume that this is standard copyright clauses, and close the T & C before reading the Trial clause. Yes, this business of full of boiler room, scamming pricks. And they all think they are so good at business. Truth is, anyone can suceed using these shady tactics. That doesn't take business smarts...