Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 16941879)

I'd rather deal with someone in a suit, then someone who shows up dressed in a hoody and ratty jeans with white runners.

I suppose you'd be fine if Obama showed up on TV in a basketball jersey, shorts, and Air Jordan shoes?

Will, for someone with a brain, you sure seem clueless about social shit. Do you get out much?

If I go, in person, to do business, and the other person dresses like they don't give a shit, why would *I* give a shit?

Face it, your clothing and looks are important metrics on which to judge someone with, and it has been this way for thousands of years.

Originally Posted by iguess (Post 16939353)

I was going to buy my truck Z71 38K
I was going to different dealerships, so I was looking for my particular truck I wanted w/ the options I wanted.. So I was riding in my old whodew w/mud all on the car and shit. I didn't cut my fucking hair nor comb it.. Shit to add on to that I was getting out of my car putting my chair together. My own kind ''black folks'' wouldn't say shit.. So I went to texas the dealer was being aggressive so I cuss hiss hillbill ass out.. Then I went to houston one guy finally got everything I wanted and I gave him cash on site..

Now I go to dealerships when I get the urged and get by the fully loaded cars and hit my airbags on my truck so all the salesman come running thinking I want to buy a vehicle and when they get close enough I politely leave.. haha

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16939006)

you want my sale, you better be sucking my dick. it's a buyers market, and i'm the one buying.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16942572)

No, its not. Unless your buying a cheap car that is. If thats the case, not worth the salespersons time. Any car of value is pretty hot right now, as the factories arent really building alot. Supply and Demand my friend. This is based on knowledge of the NY area. Perhaps diff in other areas, I dont know.

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16942578)

i'm going to buy something new in the month, for sure. you can literally check out every dealership now online, and drive the price down. i did just that for my new subaru, and i did it for my 911.

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16942574)

wrong. they are offering 911's and R8's at great discounts right now.

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 16942578)

i'm going to buy something new in the month, for sure. you can literally check out every dealership now online, and drive the price down. i did just that for my new subaru, and i did it for my 911.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 16935887)

anyone notice a similarity in these stories? They all end up with the person buying from the same place anyway...

If I owned a dealership I would go out on the floor myself and be the 'judgmental' asshole that would ignore everyone and treat them like they were nobody and then i would send out my bleeding heart salesman to coddle them and to close the deal... seems like people, men especially, are so proud that they will buy even if they can't afford it just to prove a point! :) Sounds like a good cop bad cop sales ploy from the get go...

Originally Posted by Adult Rental Chris (Post 16939070)

This goes back a few years when I was working in online gaming.

A friend of mine named Rob and I were out cruising. I had taken the day off b/c I accrued too much OT and opted for a couple lieu days. We went to the the Audi dealership to drop off his TT for yet another recall and we walked over to the BMW dealership to look at some special M5 he heard they had. I was wearing just some ratty jeans and a regular short sleeve shirt. My friend Rob was dressed in his usual summer attire, a wife beater, cargo shorts and flipflops.

We walk in and head over to the where the M5 is in the show room. The doors are locked and nobody is coming up or giving us the time of day for 10 minutes. He looks over at the only sales guy not busy that's just standing with a coffee cup in his hand looking at us and and pretty much shouts "A little help here would be nice!".
Everyone in the dealership just quiets down and starts staring at us. Rob then say "Oh right my bad", reaches in his pocket, takes out a tie and puts it around his neck and say "How about now?" The sales guy just turns around and sits at his desk.

I just died laughing at this point. I was certain the cops were going to show up any minute. My buddy was mad at this point.

Now when I tell you Rob is a smooth talker, he's a fucking smooth talker! He could go to Bestbuy and order a $200 13" tv and have them deliver it and set it up for free, that's how good he was. He already knew there was a good chance he wouldn't be taken seriously upon walking into BMW, so he purposely put a tie in his pocket just to say and do this. It didn't go quite as planned however, as he expected the sales guy to come over and at least say something.

The receptionist looked like she was laughing at the scenario so we head over to her and my buddy asks if there's anyone that can help him outside of the "coffee cup douche over there". She said the other two sales people were currently occupied and before she could finish, he reaches down and grab out the wad of cash he had on him which was $20k.

He plops $300 down and asks her to please have the owner come down here and its yours. She called the owner but insisted not taking the $300. At this point "coffee cup douche" comes over after seeing Rob put the money back in his pocket and asks if he needs some assistance with the M5.

Rob looks at him and tells him "You're kidding me right? You had your chance and blew it. Here (he takes off the tie and gives it to him) you can have this and wear it when you explain to your wife why you're bringing home spam for dinner tonight"
About half-way through him telling "coffee cup douche" this, the owner of the dealership came around the corner and saw him handing the tie over.

My buddy then looks at the owner, shakes his hand while introducing himself politely and says "I have three requests: 1) I would like the keys for the M5 to look inside and take it for a quick test drive. 2) If I like it then I will put $20k cash down right now and bring the rest of the cash price we have negotiated on within an hour and 3) All the commisision goes to the receptionist."

The owner chucked and said "With pleasure, let me grab the keys, a dealer plate and get the show door open and let's go for a ride."

The owner personally drove us to get a certified check for the remainder of the purchase price Rob negotiated down, took us for lunch, threw in a ton of extra's for cleaning, scotchguarding, extended maintenance warrenty etc, and threw in a bunch of free swag from the parts store.

The receptionist got the commission as requested and the owner even brought her in during the whole process to have her "learn the ropes". She ended up getting promoted a few months later and 'coffee cup douche' was let go.

Unfortunately the car met with an unfortunate end a couple years later when an Escalade ran a red and t-boned it on the passenger side.

Originally Posted by Gerco (Post 16935834)

Walked into a small town dealership to buy a car back in the late 80's. I had 15k cash with me and knew the car I was going to buy. I was wearing an ACDC tee and my jeans had a hole in the knee, (still today 90% of my jeans have the same damn hole) Anyways.. after standing around for about 30 minutes I finally asked a guy what the deal was. I said I wanted to buy a car. He kind of gave me the "what the fuck ever" look and pointed out the window to the $500 or cheaper lot and told me that all they had. and walked away. I was fuming. So I went down half a block to another dealer. (who where actually friendly to me) and did the same thing. The guy was cool, told me all about th car etc and I bought it on the spot and paid for it in full. I then drove it back to the 1st dealer and ask for the manager and told him my story and showed him my purchase contract and told him the reason he lost the sale. They fired the sales man.

Originally Posted by kmanrox (Post 16942798)

the magnitude of everyone here trying to pretend they have a bigger dick than the rest is hilarious.

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 16942625)

About 6 months ago I wanted a new Truck, I've had my eyes on the new Hemi Dodge's since I pull a lot of stuff, trailers, boats, etc.

So I walked in and the price was high, not really but I told them it was. I had done my research online, I told them Toyota is offering a great deal but as an American, I wanted to buy an American Truck. (Even though all my other cars aren't. lol) So I told him I was just looking and the price was too high, he brought his manager over and said we want to make sure you drive this truck out today. I was dressed like I always dress...Huggles, :Oh crap

I offered them $8K lower than the asking price and they said no way and that I was crazy, I gave them my number and said if you change your mind or if the truck doesn't sell in a month or so to call me back.

I started walking back to my car (which they didn't see what I was driving, huggles..) and still kissed my ass and had to team work for me to bite.

They took off 4K at first, then 5K then 6K then finally 7K and I bought it.

They didn't judge me on how I was dressed, everyone should be like that. They made money and I got what I wanted. One big happy family.

Not the exact truck, Mine is silver.

http://www.moparregister.com/article...am%20Sport.jpg

Originally Posted by Horny Joe (Post 16943301)

Ferrari's, Bentley's... Damn, wish I could afford that :) A year ago I wanted to buy a "new" used car... Dressed in casual sportswear.. Just noticed that the older salesmen ignored me but one young guy came over, gave me the keys to a car and sent me off to test the car. I came back one hour later, paid the $52k they asked for and went home. Guess that story was not so special :D but hey, I don't buy cars that often

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16943383)

here's the fact not mentioned, most car salesmen are shitheads- that's why they are stuck selling cars.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16943383)

here's the fact not mentioned, most car salesmen are shitheads- that's why they are stuck selling cars.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944174)

I sold cars in '93...I have 2 college degrees and was selling anywhere from 40-75 a month. Made ALOT of money. How did you do 17 years ago? I love the hate car salesmen threads. Cracks me up reading them..

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 16944196)

That's not bad at all. What is the average commission per car? Just curious. That's a lot of cars. I don't know anyone that sells that many. I don't think most dealerships sell that many.

What kind of cars were you selling?

I was 23 17 years ago and self employed so I was doing decent. But I doubt as good as you.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944174)

I sold cars in '93...I have 2 college degrees and was selling anywhere from 40-75 a month. Made ALOT of money. How did you do 17 years ago? I love the hate car salesmen threads. Cracks me up reading them..

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944229)

I was self employed. Set up an Internet sales dept, 2 asst's 3 drivers on a 50/50 split with the dealership. I did well. That was the height and birth of Internet sales. Was easy as hell too. People thought they were techies if they bought a car over the net. I was in a dodge/jeep/chrysler/ford store.

On new cars I'd say avg commision is between 150-500 and used is 300-900/unit. Most stores in the NY area are doing well. I know ones that are doing only 60/month and I know 2 that are pushing 350 and 600 on avg. Those are pretty nice stores.

Low end sales guys make 50-60k while the ones with talent and a following will easily earn 150k+++ One of my close friends has made 250k+ for the last 10 years. Crazy..

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944310)

17 years ago i was selling high end clothing catering to very upscale clientele, and was doing very well, thank you for asking.

i don't feel the need to play e-penis, else i would post my salaries made, resume, education and list of toys in my sig.

as i mentioned *MOST* car salesmen are deadbeats hired off the street with no sales credentials, minimum education and very little training prior to being released on the showroom, you should know that with all your education and car sales experience.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944311)

automobile sales via the internet has nothing to do with showroom floor sales. period.

as you say yourself, easy as hell. fuck, i just sold a car on the internet a few days ago. 20 pictures, 2 videos and some clever text and had a bidding war.

easy as pie.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944326)

business model such as the one I set up.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944322)

Douchebag

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944326)

Fucking retard.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944340)

lolz, please. i hired a sales guy who did the exact same thing for a large muti-brand auto sales chain- take their cars and put them on the internet, back in the early 2000s.

a bunch of pics, a nice text descriptor, shipping costs, and a phone #- what a GENIUS!

i had to teach him everything re: how to sell.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944349)

you know with your quickness to go aggro and name calling i am really questioning the validity of your *look at me, i made the big bucks selling cars* schtick.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944357)

In early 2000's the Internet sales market was dead.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944369)

now i know you are full of shit.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944379)

just a quick google-

Sales of new cars over the Internet, though stalled at $2.1 billion in 1999, accelerated to $27.3 billion by 2004.

i'll stand-by for you to call me a name or 2 for this post.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944387)

Listen real close...Im not talking about posting a fucking 1998 Neon for sale on eBay and ship it to Russia...Im talking moving millions of dollars in units a month over an email to local clients.. You apparently have it confused. Im surprised being you "set up an internet dept for multi brand dealerships AND taught the internet guy how to sell"...Now who is full of shit?

Now you are just annoying me and apparently you got slapped a little too hard when you cant even make up anymore lies about your car business past because, well, you dont have one. Game over man. It was fun while you lasted. Now get back to making websites and leave the brick and mortor business to well, the businessmen.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944389)

AGAIN, for the last time, Im talking about new car sales from a dealership. NOT the ebay,autotrader etc etc of housewives selling thier personal cars. Seriously dude, you really dont have a fucking clue. Your looking stupid at this point.

Now go sell a harddrive on eBay or something so you can say you have a clue about internet sales...

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944392)

wow, you can't read either, i said i HIRED a fella that did that, i've never sold cars.

i guess it makes sense though, you waxed right over all the stories of peeps getting treated like shit by car salespeople before, i shouldn't expect you to be able to read my comment properly either.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16944395)

hey, you chose to take my comment out of all the car salespeople bashing comments and run with it, i'm playing. if you didn't want me to reply, then you should not of picked me out of the crowd.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944396)

Lets agree to disagree. If someone was treated bad by a salesperson, they deserved it. Thats my stand on it. If someone comes in to a dealership with an attitude that salespeople are lowlifes chances are pretty good that they are going to get abused. Thats all I meant with my defending posts. They are people too.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944398)

I only picked you out because of your post that stated "lets not forget most salesmen are lowlifes" or whatever it said. im not really one to attack anyone, especially not on an Internet board. We had fun tho i suppose...Nice to meet you by the way.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944326)

I assume you are a webmaster. Too reach outside the box back then and set up websales was unheard of. Lets say im in the car biz a little bit now. Showroom sales? yeah been there done that, 20 years ago. Congrats on your sale over the Internet. I see you are way too simple to understand a business model such as the one I set up. Hope you got top dollar for your 95 Dodge Neon. Fucking retard.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944396)

Lets agree to disagree. If someone was treated bad by a salesperson, they deserved it. Thats my stand on it. If someone comes in to a dealership with an attitude that salespeople are lowlifes chances are pretty good that they are going to get abused. Thats all I meant with my defending posts. They are people too.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16944437)

hey 95 dodge neon was the first car I owned :Oh crap, bought it new for $12,500 back in 1995 when I was 19 and going to college.



Don't know about you, but I sold cars for 3 months back in college and I have to say I worked with a bunch of sleazy, low life people.

I've seen them flat out lie to people, tell them anything they want to hear to make a sale. The dealership I was at would add an addendum to the MSRP that was around $1500 - $2500 more than sticker price. for what, pin stripes, vin etching into the windows, to wash it after you buy it, some clear coat protectant. Lots of bull shit. They told me all that crap cost them like $80.

And the negotiating was so lame... this is the best I can do, wow you getting such a great deal (being charged $2,000 over MSRP)... let me go see what I can do, maybe I can get $200 more off or some free floor mats... :(

Wasn't my style. I purposely caved with people and most of my sales were only 3-5% over invoice. I couldn't take the sales meetings that were basically, how can we screw people today sessions. Ok we have an ad in the paper for this car, we only have one. When they come in it will be sold, this is the one I want you to pitch them on, etc etc....

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 16944430)

Hey Wagerboy and Dyna Mo...

Have a great weekend.

Originally Posted by Wagerboy (Post 16944541)

Hey Will...Sounds like you were in a pretty sleezy store. I cant recall where you live but generally 2 types of stores will do that. 1) mom and pop stores to make you appear like you got a great deal 2) highway stores that just wanna rip peoples face off. Its not normal to do that these days, but people need to make money. From your story it sounds like you sold cars a while ago..Same practices these days just on a lesser note.

Ad cars will always be around. Its the cheapest way to get people thro the door and people arent stupid. They know its 1 car on the lot and feel they can get a sick deal walkin in the door with the ad, feeling they will buy the better model for a steal because of the ad. Its usually win win in that situation, so dealers continue with it. No real harm.