We all know recurring joins is the money

[mmcfadden]

But there has to be a more suave way of showing it then this...



I want to just nix the entire rebill process and charge by the year!

[Nicky]

It can be discussed if high PPS or revshare is best for the affiliate, but for paysite owners and the end customer It certainly is best with recurring joins.

[AmeliaG]

Some members prefer to pay monthly and some prefer to pay by the year and get a discount. SpookyCash sites offer both options. I think it is best to leave it up to the consumer to decide what they want and try to give them what they want.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by Nicky

It can be discussed if high PPS or revshare is best for the affiliate, but for paysite owners and the end customer It certainly is best with recurring joins.

I have a massive problem with sending many, many hits to this page and such a low conversion ratio.

It is a bottleneck in the process of making money. It is your money and my money that is amiss.

The recurring part right above the "complete this purchase". Could be displayed so many other ways that quite frankly, is a barrier to sales

[chupachups]

Originally Posted by Nicky

It can be discussed if high PPS or revshare is best for the affiliate, but for paysite owners and the end customer It certainly is best with recurring joins.

I am a revshare advocate but recently I have been doing better with PPS - surfers are getting picky.

[M0nk]

I agree with amelia, the best is to leave it up to the customers, they will decide if they prefer to pay for a year membership and get a discount or to pay monthly just in case they get bored to fast.

[HAPPYPEEKERS]

it aint bad :-)

[BV]

feel free to make up your own verbiage, and then submit it to ccbill, maybe they will approve it if it discloses the needed information

i have done it on a pay per download site, used the verbiage (one time charge)

It's funny that you mention this, because back in 2004ish (i think) when Visa started cracking down, the verbiage changed in these forms

It didn't have all that 30 dollars for 30 days then 30 dollars recurring every 30 days blah blah blah

you basically were allowed to bury that in your footer on your page

and in the ccbill form it just simply said (30.00 recurring)

i agree with you, this is where allot of customers turn back

when they see recurring 30 dollars every 30 days blah blah

ESPECIALLY after they have been hammered a few times by one of those programs that do 2 prechecked cross sales

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by Happypeekers

it aint bad :-)

I think it sucks!

This thursday I missed another ccbill check. I'm sure it will come tomorrow or the next but IMO things aren't good.

I am pointing out the obvious, change the god damn form!!!

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by BV

feel free to make up your own verbiage, and then submit it to ccbill, maybe they will approve it if it discloses the needed information

i have done it on a pay per download site, used the verbiage (one time charge)

It's funny that you mention this, because back in 2004ish (i think) when Visa started cracking down, the verbiage changed in these forms

It didn't have all that 30 dollars for 30 days then 30 dollars recurring every 30 days blah blah blah

you basically were allowed to bury that in your footer on your page

and in the ccbill form it just simply said (30.00 recurring)

i agree with you, this is where allot of customers turn back

when they see recurring 30 dollars every 30 days blah blah

ESPECIALLY after they have been hammered a few times by one of those programs that do 2 prechecked cross sales

could just be reworded a bit imo and an option to customize without so much difficulty

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by chupachups

I am a revshare advocate but recently I have been doing better with PPS - surfers are getting picky.

Yea. When you get $50 on a $1 trial as an affiliate It takes a while(if ever) to reach that per member $.

[mmcfadden]

And get rid of people like 12clicks who fuckin killed the cards!!

[CPimp]

Oh boy... hopefully you find a solution to the ever so ugly verbiage.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by tube2k

Oh boy... hopefully you find a solution to the ever so ugly verbiage.

That's what it boils down to, really, ugly words kill sales!!!

[seeandsee]

surfers will be afraid

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

surfers will be afraid

It is not an anomaly that I had 168 join form hits and 3 sales yesterday. It is the manner in which the final step of getting someone to pay is bottlenecked by the pay form!

This is HUGE money! It is exhausting to bitch about over and over but IMO this is it, bad join form.

Why not just say 29.95 recurring, when somebody wants to pay for something they want to know the price, that's it! Then somewhere else, AND NOT RIGHT ABOVE THE JOIN BUTTON, indicate recurring means that it will automatically renew each month until cancelled. NOT 30 days at x dollars recurring every 30 days until your card is bungholed!!!

[alias]

Set up a non recurring join page with 1, 3 & 12 month options. Then do some a/b testing.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by BV

feel free to make up your own verbiage, and then submit it to ccbill, maybe they will approve it if it discloses the needed information

I have several times. I know everybody at ccbill by their names because I have called so many times.

Every way I try to alter the form ends up sucking.

The form needs to say 29.95 for 30 days! Then have a note box that says this is a recurring charge until cancelled.

That's it... none of this text that is a product of shit Xsales etc!

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by alias

Set up a non recurring join page with 1, 3 & 12 month options. Then do some a/b testing.

Good advice. The problem is everybody will select 1 month non-recurring. So if I get double signups I cut my profit by 2/3. Maybe I get 10% conversions which would be about 15 signups which would be about 5 recurring signups per day.

What I am saying is why can't I get 10% signups with the recurring option? All it would take, again imo, is a little rewording.

[vapewiz]

its not ccbill its your traffic or how u pre-qualify surfers before they click to tour or join

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by cutetwink

its not ccbill its your traffic or how u pre-qualify surfers before they click to tour or join

yeah maybe... i doubt it though. My site is both free and paid... meaning they click around a lot to get to the form. Average clicks is 20 pages... so on average, the form hits I get are a result of 20 clicks.

Now only 1,2, 3 percent of those clicks actually wanted to pay?

Check it out if you want... www.vstrippoker.com

I am not saying it is the greatest site since sliced bread but I think something is amiss with the CC form

[vapewiz]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

yeah maybe... i doubt it though. My site is both free and paid... meaning they click around a lot to get to the form. Average clicks is 20 pages... so on average, the form hits I get are a result of 20 clicks.

Now only 1,2, 3 percent of those clicks actually wanted to pay?

Check it out if you want... www.vstrippoker.com

I am not saying it is the greatest site since sliced bread but I think something is amiss with the CC form

im not going to lie and in surfer mode.... kinda drunk... clicked to your site tried to play and ended up at a join page... that just may be it... i know your trying to get sales but at the same time maybe a little less agressive... you have something "sticky" to keep surfers coming back and chance of a join

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[The Usual Suspect]

Your site is loading very slow for me here (located in Europe).
And I'm on a 20mbit connection, 15% on your game and it has gone over a minutte here now...

[andrej_NDC]

What do you complain about? I don't get it.

btw the blinking gif on the join page is super annoying...I would rather close the window than go to the billing page. Just a hint...

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

What do you complain about? I don't get it.

btw the blinking gif on the join page is super annoying...I would rather close the window than go to the billing page. Just a hint...

I have done from the simple page to the blinking, etc...

The blinking actually has had the best conversion to date... certainly the most form hits. I will likely change the entire page in the near future again because I always do.

I am complaining that the wording of the billing is killing many sales... my sales

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by The Usual Suspect

Your site is loading very slow for me here (located in Europe).
And I'm on a 20mbit connection, 15% on your game and it has gone over a minutte here now...

That is def. something. How fast is a 20mbit compared to the norm? It takes me about 20 seconds to load the game but it is cached on my end

[BVF]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

It is not an anomaly that I had 168 join form hits and 3 sales yesterday. It is the manner in which the final step of getting someone to pay is bottlenecked by the pay form!

This is HUGE money! It is exhausting to bitch about over and over but IMO this is it, bad join form.

Why not just say 29.95 recurring, when somebody wants to pay for something they want to know the price, that's it! Then somewhere else, AND NOT RIGHT ABOVE THE JOIN BUTTON, indicate recurring means that it will automatically renew each month until cancelled. NOT 30 days at x dollars recurring every 30 days until your card is bungholed!!!

What does the page BEFORE CCbill's join page say?....Mine says the following:


By Joining Today, here's what you'll get:
1. CURRENTLY, OVER 275 different girls and 200 exclusive videos WITH NEW ONES ADDED WEEKLY...Get exclusive pictures AND videos!!

2. CURRENTLY, You'll Get 500+ bonus videos screened personally by myself...With MULTIPLE new videos added weekly..It's the only black porn membership you'll need!...Trust me on this one...

3. My private direct telephone number for any questions or customer service concerns...

4. NO BULLSHIT HIDDEN CHARGES!....The Price you see is the price discreetly charged on your statement and you get access to EVERYTHING I have to offer in the members area.

5. You can easily cancel your subscription by coming back to this page...


CREDIT CARD/DEBIT CARD AND CHECK BILLING

Major Credit AND Debit Cards Accepted!! If you only have a bank account, your debit card will work and payment will come from your checking account.

Also, if you click to my ccbill join page, there is no wording like that on it....Maybe that's because I offer three different pricing options....

So what I suggest you do is offer at least one more pricing option.

[alias]

Originally Posted by BVF

What does the page BEFORE CCbill's join page say?....Mine says the following:


By Joining Today, here's what you'll get:
1. CURRENTLY, OVER 275 different girls and 200 exclusive videos WITH NEW ONES ADDED WEEKLY...Get exclusive pictures AND videos!!

2. CURRENTLY, You'll Get 500+ bonus videos screened personally by myself...With MULTIPLE new videos added weekly..It's the only black porn membership you'll need!...Trust me on this one...

3. My private direct telephone number for any questions or customer service concerns...

4. NO BULLSHIT HIDDEN CHARGES!....The Price you see is the price discreetly charged on your statement and you get access to EVERYTHING I have to offer in the members area.

5. You can easily cancel your subscription by coming back to this page...


CREDIT CARD/DEBIT CARD AND CHECK BILLING

Major Credit AND Debit Cards Accepted!! If you only have a bank account, your debit card will work and payment will come from your checking account.

Also, if you click to my ccbill join page, there is no wording like that on it....Maybe that's because I offer three different pricing options....

So what I suggest you do is offer at least one more pricing option.

Nice.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by BVF

What does the page BEFORE CCbill's join page say?....Mine says the following:

It is this... www.vstrippoker.com/join.html

That form was just put up less then 2 weeks. Prior it was a simple form with the pricing shown.

I understand what you are saying but disagree that saying it prior will help. I think my join hits should be around 10-15% conversions and they are not.

I just put up a trial so that may help but bottom line when you pay for something it should

Say just the price.

ONLY 29.95!...
CC info
(You are purchasing a subscription to the best fucking site in the world and it will rebill until you chose to cancel) mentioned somewhere in the join form BUT NOT RIGHT ABOVE THE SUBMIT BUTTON!

[pornguy]

MM. I know of a company that has done that they only have the yearly and they do amazingly well

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by pornguy

MM. I know of a company that has done that they only have the yearly and they do amazingly well

Just put up a 95.40 option today... got rid of the price per yada days rebilling every yada days at whatever price right above the submit button.

More sales and even a yearly... hmmm.