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Photoshop costs money, MS Paint does not. But you're not going to see designers flocking to MS Paint just because it's free. And by the way, HTML 5 is still nothing more than a concept. Assuming it gets adopted as a standard someday, and factoring in the average time it takes for major changes like that to work its way into full browser integration and then on down to all the actual users, HTML 5 won't be considered any kind of a "standard" for decades. (if ever). Macromedia created something unique with both Flash & Director (Shockwave), that rocked the world. Adobe bought them out. Flash is capable of so much more than just displaying a video to a user, just as Photoshop is capable of so much more than just cropping thumbnails. The important part is, Flash doesn't cost the end users anything, only the Flash developers. The developers will use whatever gets the job done the fastest, best, most efficient way, on a platform that reaches the most people. Right now, (for purposes of this discussion) that's Flash, not HTML 5. And when statistics show that IE6 is STILL the most widely used browser out there, it's pretty clear that end users aren't jumping on upgrades until they are forced to. Flash isn't going anywhere, and Adobe is not shitting any bricks. :2 cents: |
pretty neat, but doesn't work with 90% of the browsers, making it useless at this point...
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Anyhow.. anyone care to make a suggestion? Maybe if the browser developers would care to find a harmony and decide how and what codecs they'd support, since w3 doesn't. Some are free, some are not. :) Also from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5 Quote:
Also read worthy: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/...-html-5-video/ </end being an asshole> Gonna go play hockey. Have fun arguing. I'll join back up later. |
Adobe makes money off
a) A visual IDE for Flash development - command line compilation is now free. b) Server architectures for complex callback/relationships with served media. Both of these things (especially (a)) will be needed for html5 to 'replace' flash, and who do you think is best positioned to have market ready tools for development in these spaces. Actionscript is after all just a flavour of ECMA (as is javascript). Adapting their tools to output to html5 apps would not be a huge undertaking. If you don't think Adobe is already working on this, then you're an arse. |
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Equally, Kobe beef is better than macdonalds. The key, that you usefully missed, is that both flash/html5 are/will be as good as the same in terms of DELIVERING VIDEO. So now why would someone pay for something they could get for free? Quote:
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b) who is saying end users jump on upgrades? |
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I mean, I am sorry you assumed I said things I didn't, and you are now arguing against YOUR supposition as opposed to anything I actually said. :) Hope hockey is fun. |
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..and hockey will be fun, until I hurt myself. |
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I guess I'm not sure what your vantage point is on this. Are you just looking to save a buck by not purchasing Flash? That's not a good enough reason or argument to make claims of 'conceptual' HTML 5 killing off a staple of designer / developer tools that's been in play for decades. |
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I guess, let me put this another way... We can both agree that Flash is infinitely more advanced & better than Compuserve's old ass GIF in terms of banner design. Yet even as vastly superior as Flash is in every way and then some in that regard, the GIF format lives on to this day. So if HTML 5 is being viewed as a "Flash Killer" based solely on end user video delivery, do you honestly believe Adobe is just going to say, "Well, that's it then. Let's terminate Flash."? Or that developers & designers are going to stop using it? When you speak of something as a Flash Killer, it's going to have to pack more of a punch than just saving a buck on video delivery. It's going to have to be a holographic tactile slut crawling out of the screen and sucking some dick. |
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when something is "dead" how can it be alive for another 10 years? PS get off apples balls you just saw the iPad vid and got a boner. -------- you = full of shit |
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"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers. These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users. Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends." Every single one of my sites logs shows that IE6 is the most popular browser. |
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I just think it's FASCINATING how so many people have run into this thread so oddly aggressively. Like I was saying America isn't very good! The only point I was really making is that that link had a really nice clip of video. |
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Headlines are meant to get people's attention. Worked. Like the hand egg one. |
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Love your work x |
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I agree, things change all the time, and that's usually good. But I've heard this HTML 5 battle cry a hundred times all over the Internet, and it's never put into the perspective of reality. I was doing Flash interface design all the way back in 1997, and trying to get clients to understand the merits of Flash was like beating my head against a brick wall while simultaneously stabbing myself in the eye with a fork. Here we are 13 years later and everyone finally 'gets it'. Flash isn't the big scary unknown mystery tech they all thought it was. But that had a lot to do with merely overcoming the plugin 'scariness' factor. With HTML 5 we're talking about fully supportive browsers, agreement between collaborators, and the ever growing end-user apathy towards upgrading anything. Most users can't manage to keep spyware off their systems, let alone get themselves off IE6. So anyway, I just think you're being overly optimistic about HTML 5 replacing Flash any time soon. (and again, if ever). And from reality's perspective, if your goal is to deliver to as many of your users as possible, then of course you have to use the tech that will accomplish that. That's all. :2 cents: |
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However, I bet Real Player weren't that worried when Flash came out. :) Still, the video looked purdy. |
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"flash is dead" if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ? |
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maybe wont be called flash in 10 years. who knows? HTML5 may not even exist in 10 years. so how does your call matter then? i am just annoyed because you are only mentioning this because of the recent apple news where they are not using flash. |
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Fuck an iPad. I don't want one. Not cos of Flash, but because of the stupid aspect ratio. rev2 with 16:9 and OLED might tempt me though. |
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Nice video - it worked well for me on Safari (didn't try other browsers). Regardless of which is better, HTML5 is definitely something to watch.
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Very nice!
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I guess you can incorporate it now and have about 20% of users able to see your content. |
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Unfortunately HTML 5 video is not widely support and there is still some debate about what codec to use. H.264 has some serious licensing issues for something that is supposed to be a standard and the open source codecs don't really compete. Google acquired On2 a while back and there is some speculation that they will open up VP8. I'm hoping that will be the case. |
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Still, that is pretty damn significant numbers when we're talking about replacing Flash with HTML 5. |
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Browser not supported and i have them ALL, great promo LOL
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r.i.p flash
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Worked on my Chrome and I was able to move around the video very fast.
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Eric has the hammer cocked! (that is a pretty harsh accusation though) |
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