so does that mean that all flash videos will have to be re encoded for this player? Can you imagine the volume of work?

page says support soon for FF, sounds great looking forward to using this!

Crazy Brits!

It's a slap in the face to Adobe. Apple was upset that they couldn't get Flash to work on their iPhone. I'm pretty sure HTML5 will work fine on the iPhone.

HTML5 has native H.264. You just call up the video.

So to answer your question....just use the original files. No need to re encode anything.

cool...if they make it easy, I could get on board. I am just one little guy with hundreds and hundreds of videos that I am already encoding h.264 in various sizes as well as wmv. The madness has to stop somewhere and I think people will make a stand based on that. So if this latest delivery system doesn't cost me....and thousands of others....many of them who have sold their products world wide...a lot of grief, it could work. I would rather settle for something that may not be quite as good, but is accepted by most and is already processed and marketed.

Not true at all - look into the companies making up the group that holds HTML5 patents...

It is a needed emerging standard but is also very much about apple being cocky and trying to drive Flash out of the market where it can.

For some reason, I have my doubts.

Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch Defends Flash, Warns HTML5 Will Throw The Web "Back To The Dark Ages Of Video"

Adobe's Flash technology has been taking a beating lately. Apple still won't support it on its upcoming iPad or its iPhone. Steve Jobs calls it buggy and crash-prone and dismisses Adobe as being lazy. Adobe is trying to fight the negative vibes emanating from Cupertino and elsewhere. It has already pointed out that it will be easy to convert Flash apps into iPad apps, and now CTO Kevin Lynch is weighing in to defend Flash.

In a blog post today, Lynch addresses the two major threats to Flash: Apple's refusal to support it on mobile touchscreen devices and the rise of HTML5 as a new, open standard which may one day replace Flash. On Apple, Lynch says Adobe is ready and able to put Flash on the iPhone, the iPad or anything else Apple can throw its way. But, as has been the case for more than a year, the ball is in Apple's court:

We are ready to enable Flash in the browser on these devices if and when Apple chooses to allow that for its users, but to date we have not had the required cooperation from Apple to make this happen.

Lynch points out that the next version of Flash for smartphones, 10.1, is about to become available and that practically all other smartphones will support it, including Android, Blackberry, Nokia, and Palm Pre. If they can handle it, why can't an iPhone?

But the bigger long-term threat to Flash is HTML5, especially for rendering video. Lynch says that 75 percent of video on the Web currently is shown in a Flash player. That number could decline if HTML5 video starts to take off. Google (via YouTube, Chrome, and other products) and others are pushing HTML5 hard. Lynch tries to pretend that HTML5 is not a threat, saying in the same breadth that Adobe supports HTML5, but its incompatibilities across browsers spells doom for the Web. He writes:

Adobe supports HTML and its evolution and we look forward to adding more capabilities to our software around HTML as it evolves. If HTML could reliably do everything Flash does that would certainly save us a lot of effort, but that does not appear to be coming to pass. Even in the case of video, where Flash is enabling over 75% of video on the Web today, the coming HTML video implementations cannot agree on a common format across browsers, so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues.

HTML5 is still a young technology, and those incompatibility issues can be solved over time. Flash is still a more capable technology when it comes to rendering video, but HTML5 is advancing faster and as a native Web standard it has many other advantages which may help it win over time.

Adobe is in a battle for developers, who buy its Creative Suite software to make Flash apps. As long as Flash is the de facto standard for video and animation on the Web, those sales will not be threatened. But if Flash developers migrate to other technologies to build better apps for the Web and mobile devices such as the iPhone and iPad, Adobe's competitive position will be weakened. It will defend Flash to the death.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020201812.html

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pretty slick player

ff 3.6 is supposed to support HTML5. That's what I have installed here, but it still doesn't open that player.

That's a bit like saying Freeones is shitting bricks about porn beer :2 cents:

It's nowhere close to that. Your analogy is way off.

HTML5 video has already proven through demos to be a viable and in some cases superior alternative to Flash. And the best thing of all it will be built into every browser. No need to download plugins or upgrade to the newest version of Flash. No need for companies to hassle with Adobe over licensing and implementation.

And that's just on the video side of things. Have you seen Google's HTML5 version of Google Voice?

You best to believe that Adobe is most certainly shitting bricks.

But I suppose that downloading the latest version of Flash just to be able to start a video isn't the same thing?

Works great for me.



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How many of your surfers are using the latest browsers? I'm betting less than 50%.

The time it will take for HTML5 to be adopted will allow for more than enough time for Adobe to adapt.

I'm not saying HTML5 won't be a good thing, just don't believe that it will topple flash in one foul swoop!

use your head the blatant bashing of flash has to do with them being cocky.

get over yourself flash is not going anywhere. did you read the thread title or did you just come in here to be on apples balls?

what happens when the ipad is a major fuckup? then where does your "standard" go? it goes right out the window.

flash will adapt with the standard. what makes you think they will not?

i dont know about you mr expert but HTML5 has been in development for years. only recently when Apple mentions they are not using flash on the iPad are you going to see retarded threads like this.

i like to put 2 and 2 together and read between the lines that it is the Apple sheeple out in full force making claims that "flash is dead". where is flash dead?

i have read flash is in up to around 90% of browsers (i have no idea if it's this high but i would agree it is a huge majority)

Well considering most people use "sucky" browsers it will be awhile for HTML5 takes off. Hell 20% still use IE6. And as you said only work with IE with Chrome Frame installed. How many have that? IE in all formats is 2/3 of the browser market so until MS jumps aboard the HTML5 train it's stuck in station.

For the record the video worked in Chrome 3.0.195.21

I welcome HTML5 to the developer tool kit as I think that it will push Adobe to step up its game a bit. :thumbsup

BTW - UPDATE YOUR FUCKING BROWSERS! AND, DO YOUR PLUGINS WHILE YOU'RE AT IT! FUCK, HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING 'OH, IT DOESN'T WORK,' FIRST?! :1orglaugh

It's new, but it is an emerging standard. I am very glad Google entered the browser marketspace, not just because their browser is great (and fast), but because they are pushing the web platform forward. Microsoft has already said that it will "do the right thing" when it comes to html5. Firefox, safari and chrome are all on board, and still working out the details. It will take a bit of time before html5 has the same compatibility as flash (hell a huge percentage of people still use ie6), but it won't be that long before it is a big factor.

That was funny....

Bingo....all it will take is for Adobe to do it a little better and that will be that.

Flash is dead, lol.

Flash owns the web for now and the near future.

Or not. If you read into it more. There's licensing fees for 'codecs', there's issues with who wants to use what and so forth. HTML5 will be the norm in 2022 I think. So, I don't think adobe's shitting any bricks yet or needs any prune juice.

Adobe dropped the ball with Flash.

I think HTML5 is going to take off faster than many think.

Notice how my name is Damian, and none of their names are? So I would guess no I am not one of them.

This is usually how names work for both apple douchebags and regular douchbags.

HTH.

It already does.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

I assume all the people saying this will never happen are all using HTML1 still and think browsers never progress?

Not loading for me.

...and I assume you think progress happens swiftly and painlessly.

Are browsers all already compatible with (old) CSS-standards? no.
Should they be? yes.

Will html5 be good. yes
Will it be good anytime soon. no.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/start/20...eat-html-5.php


http://9elements.com/io/?p=153

Where did I say that?

When did I say it would be?

buildingstrawmen.com is available.

flash is still not going anywhere and it is used by the majority of websites. Big mistake of apple that their crappy worthless ipad doesnt support it...... retarded.

Yep No supported.

Soo...why jumping on everyone who says flash is not dead and html5 will be not "it" from now on. That's how I've interpreted your postings. :)

Well that shows what happens when you interpret things rather than take what people say at face value.

I am not jumping on anyone, Jakke. I am having a discussion about the inevitability of HTML5 killing flash within 10 years. I find it interesting that people really think it won't.

I cannot see anyone here who is saying this assertion is wrong coming up with a reason why something that costs money (flash) will beat something that doesn't (html5).

Anyone care to make a suggestion?