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DamianJ 02-03-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 16808995)
I apologize if my comments appeared aggressive, that wasn't my intent.

I agree, things change all the time, and that's usually good. But I've heard this HTML 5 battle cry a hundred times all over the Internet, and it's never put into the perspective of reality.

I was doing Flash interface design all the way back in 1997, and trying to get clients to understand the merits of Flash was like beating my head against a brick wall while simultaneously stabbing myself in the eye with a fork.

Here we are 13 years later and everyone finally 'gets it'. Flash isn't the big scary unknown mystery tech they all thought it was. But that had a lot to do with merely overcoming the plugin 'scariness' factor. With HTML 5 we're talking about fully supportive browsers, agreement between collaborators, and the ever growing end-user apathy towards upgrading anything. Most users can't manage to keep spyware off their systems, let alone get themselves off IE6.

So anyway, I just think you're being overly optimistic about HTML 5 replacing Flash any time soon. (and again, if ever). And from reality's perspective, if your goal is to deliver to as many of your users as possible, then of course you have to use the tech that will accomplish that.

That's all.

:2 cents:

Absolutely right. You beat me by 3 years. I was involved in flash sites in 2000.

However, I bet Real Player weren't that worried when Flash came out. :)

Still, the video looked purdy.

SmokeyTheBear 02-03-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16808650)
As I said, where did I suggest that? I didn't, did I? .

in the thread title :2 cents:

"flash is dead"

if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ?

weekly 02-03-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smokeythebear (Post 16809028)
in the thread title :2 cents:

"flash is dead"

if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ?

lol.....very succinct

DamianJ 02-03-2010 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 16809028)
in the thread title :2 cents:

"flash is dead"

if i started a thread that said "george bush is dead" would you assume i meant bush is dead now or bush will eventually die someday ?

I suppose that if someone just read the thread title and not the rest of my post where I simply link to a pretty video clip, then maybe people could get confused about my 'the king is dead long live the king' reference. Conceeded.

weekly 02-03-2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16809098)
I suppose that if someone just read the thread title and not the rest of my post where I simply link to a pretty video clip, then maybe people could get confused about my 'the king is dead long live the king' reference. Conceeded.

It was not a long live the king reference. Far from it. Closer to long live the pretender.

MetaMan 02-03-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 16808945)
Oh, is THAT what you got so annoyed about. That's a thing people say in monarchies and have done since 1272. The King is dead, long live the king. It's a phrase, or saying.

Headlines are meant to get people's attention.

Worked.

Like the hand egg one.

im not annoyed at that, it just isnt that hard to say anything about 10 years from now. a decade long call is kind of pointless in such a rapid changing world.

maybe wont be called flash in 10 years. who knows? HTML5 may not even exist in 10 years. so how does your call matter then?

i am just annoyed because you are only mentioning this because of the recent apple news where they are not using flash.

DamianJ 02-03-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 16809118)
i am just annoyed because you are only mentioning this because of the recent apple news where they are not using flash.

No, I mentioned it cos I thought the video in the link looked pretty darn cool.

Fuck an iPad. I don't want one. Not cos of Flash, but because of the stupid aspect ratio.

rev2 with 16:9 and OLED might tempt me though.

StaceyJo 02-03-2010 11:36 AM

Thanks but, browser not supported.

2MuchMark 02-03-2010 11:46 AM

Nice video - it worked well for me on Safari (didn't try other browsers). Regardless of which is better, HTML5 is definitely something to watch.

NTSS 02-03-2010 12:49 PM

Very nice!

NetHorse 02-03-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 16807041)
HTML 5 is not going to kill or replace Flash any time soon.
Get used to it.

:2 cents:

:2 cents::2 cents:

I guess you can incorporate it now and have about 20% of users able to see your content.

redwhiteandblue 02-03-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 16808566)
And when statistics show that IE6 is STILL the most widely used browser out there,

What statistics are those? Not mine.

AdultSoftwareSolutions 02-03-2010 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk (Post 16807329)
Adobe CTO Kevin Lynch Defends Flash, Warns HTML5 Will Throw The Web "Back To The Dark Ages Of Video"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020201812.html

Of course he'd say that. It's in his interest.

Unfortunately HTML 5 video is not widely support and there is still some debate about what codec to use. H.264 has some serious licensing issues for something that is supposed to be a standard and the open source codecs don't really compete.

Google acquired On2 a while back and there is some speculation that they will open up VP8. I'm hoping that will be the case.

Amputate Your Head 02-03-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue (Post 16809701)
What statistics are those? Not mine.

Sorry, IE6 has slipped in the last month down to 20%, just under IE8. But two months ago 6 was still on top. Browser Version Market Share

Still, that is pretty damn significant numbers when we're talking about replacing Flash with HTML 5.

weekly 02-03-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultSoftwareSolutions (Post 16809718)
Of course he'd say that. It's in his interest.

Unfortunately HTML 5 video is not widely support and there is still some debate about what codec to use. H.264 has some serious licensing issues for something that is supposed to be a standard and the open source codecs don't really compete.

Google acquired On2 a while back and there is some speculation that they will open up VP8. I'm hoping that will be the case.

I am getting sick to death of this standards debate. H.264 works fine. Any standard is better than no standard.

Loch 02-03-2010 10:27 PM

Browser not supported and i have them ALL, great promo LOL

2012 02-03-2010 10:46 PM

r.i.p flash

rock-reed 02-04-2010 12:40 AM

Worked on my Chrome and I was able to move around the video very fast.

Nice.

Eric 02-04-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly (Post 16808985)
Yeah I know you do sweety, maybe cause its always been legal. Don't make me mention that nasty illegal shit you sold for years. Now be a good boy and get back on message. I really hate to see people blow holes in their feet. And you were being so well behaved. So don't be raising shit all over again. Your veneer is very, very thin. And I can see you have lit your own fuse one more time.

Post proof, a retraction, or ask for this to be removed. Alluding to the fact that someone sold something illegal with out proof is grounds for banning.

You have 1 hour!

Amputate Your Head 02-04-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 16813360)
Post proof, a retraction, or ask for this to be removed. Alluding to the fact that someone sold something illegal with out proof is grounds for banning.

You have 1 hour!

holy crap!

Eric has the hammer cocked!

(that is a pretty harsh accusation though)

Amputate Your Head 02-04-2010 03:09 PM

bumping to give weekly a shot at seeing this.


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