pretty slick player

ff 3.6 is supposed to support HTML5. That's what I have installed here, but it still doesn't open that player.

That's a bit like saying Freeones is shitting bricks about porn beer :2 cents:

It's nowhere close to that. Your analogy is way off.

HTML5 video has already proven through demos to be a viable and in some cases superior alternative to Flash. And the best thing of all it will be built into every browser. No need to download plugins or upgrade to the newest version of Flash. No need for companies to hassle with Adobe over licensing and implementation.

And that's just on the video side of things. Have you seen Google's HTML5 version of Google Voice?

You best to believe that Adobe is most certainly shitting bricks.

But I suppose that downloading the latest version of Flash just to be able to start a video isn't the same thing?

Works great for me.



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How many of your surfers are using the latest browsers? I'm betting less than 50%.

The time it will take for HTML5 to be adopted will allow for more than enough time for Adobe to adapt.

I'm not saying HTML5 won't be a good thing, just don't believe that it will topple flash in one foul swoop!

use your head the blatant bashing of flash has to do with them being cocky.

get over yourself flash is not going anywhere. did you read the thread title or did you just come in here to be on apples balls?

what happens when the ipad is a major fuckup? then where does your "standard" go? it goes right out the window.

flash will adapt with the standard. what makes you think they will not?

i dont know about you mr expert but HTML5 has been in development for years. only recently when Apple mentions they are not using flash on the iPad are you going to see retarded threads like this.

i like to put 2 and 2 together and read between the lines that it is the Apple sheeple out in full force making claims that "flash is dead". where is flash dead?

i have read flash is in up to around 90% of browsers (i have no idea if it's this high but i would agree it is a huge majority)

Well considering most people use "sucky" browsers it will be awhile for HTML5 takes off. Hell 20% still use IE6. And as you said only work with IE with Chrome Frame installed. How many have that? IE in all formats is 2/3 of the browser market so until MS jumps aboard the HTML5 train it's stuck in station.

For the record the video worked in Chrome 3.0.195.21

I welcome HTML5 to the developer tool kit as I think that it will push Adobe to step up its game a bit. :thumbsup

BTW - UPDATE YOUR FUCKING BROWSERS! AND, DO YOUR PLUGINS WHILE YOU'RE AT IT! FUCK, HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING 'OH, IT DOESN'T WORK,' FIRST?! :1orglaugh

It's new, but it is an emerging standard. I am very glad Google entered the browser marketspace, not just because their browser is great (and fast), but because they are pushing the web platform forward. Microsoft has already said that it will "do the right thing" when it comes to html5. Firefox, safari and chrome are all on board, and still working out the details. It will take a bit of time before html5 has the same compatibility as flash (hell a huge percentage of people still use ie6), but it won't be that long before it is a big factor.

That was funny....

Bingo....all it will take is for Adobe to do it a little better and that will be that.

Flash is dead, lol.

Flash owns the web for now and the near future.

Or not. If you read into it more. There's licensing fees for 'codecs', there's issues with who wants to use what and so forth. HTML5 will be the norm in 2022 I think. So, I don't think adobe's shitting any bricks yet or needs any prune juice.

Adobe dropped the ball with Flash.

I think HTML5 is going to take off faster than many think.

Notice how my name is Damian, and none of their names are? So I would guess no I am not one of them.

This is usually how names work for both apple douchebags and regular douchbags.

HTH.

It already does.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

I assume all the people saying this will never happen are all using HTML1 still and think browsers never progress?

Not loading for me.

...and I assume you think progress happens swiftly and painlessly.

Are browsers all already compatible with (old) CSS-standards? no.
Should they be? yes.

Will html5 be good. yes
Will it be good anytime soon. no.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/start/20...eat-html-5.php


http://9elements.com/io/?p=153

Where did I say that?

When did I say it would be?

buildingstrawmen.com is available.

flash is still not going anywhere and it is used by the majority of websites. Big mistake of apple that their crappy worthless ipad doesnt support it...... retarded.

Yep No supported.

Soo...why jumping on everyone who says flash is not dead and html5 will be not "it" from now on. That's how I've interpreted your postings. :)

Well that shows what happens when you interpret things rather than take what people say at face value.

I am not jumping on anyone, Jakke. I am having a discussion about the inevitability of HTML5 killing flash within 10 years. I find it interesting that people really think it won't.

I cannot see anyone here who is saying this assertion is wrong coming up with a reason why something that costs money (flash) will beat something that doesn't (html5).

Anyone care to make a suggestion?

Well, I'll step up to the plate then. Yes, you're wrong.
Photoshop costs money, MS Paint does not. But you're not going to see designers flocking to MS Paint just because it's free.

And by the way, HTML 5 is still nothing more than a concept. Assuming it gets adopted as a standard someday, and factoring in the average time it takes for major changes like that to work its way into full browser integration and then on down to all the actual users, HTML 5 won't be considered any kind of a "standard" for decades. (if ever).

Macromedia created something unique with both Flash & Director (Shockwave), that rocked the world. Adobe bought them out. Flash is capable of so much more than just displaying a video to a user, just as Photoshop is capable of so much more than just cropping thumbnails.

The important part is, Flash doesn't cost the end users anything, only the Flash developers. The developers will use whatever gets the job done the fastest, best, most efficient way, on a platform that reaches the most people. Right now, (for purposes of this discussion) that's Flash, not HTML 5. And when statistics show that IE6 is STILL the most widely used browser out there, it's pretty clear that end users aren't jumping on upgrades until they are forced to.

Flash isn't going anywhere, and Adobe is not shitting any bricks.

:2 cents:

pretty neat, but doesn't work with 90% of the browsers, making it useless at this point...

Within 10 years, maybe. BUT.. from your earlier posts I got the impression you were talking about months, maybe hours.

Anyhow.. anyone care to make a suggestion? Maybe if the browser developers would care to find a harmony and decide how and what codecs they'd support, since w3 doesn't. Some are free, some are not. :)

Also from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5

:)

Also read worthy: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/...-html-5-video/

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Gonna go play hockey. Have fun arguing. I'll join back up later.

Adobe makes money off
a) A visual IDE for Flash development - command line compilation is now free.
b) Server architectures for complex callback/relationships with served media.

Both of these things (especially (a)) will be needed for html5 to 'replace' flash, and who do you think is best positioned to have market ready tools for development in these spaces. Actionscript is after all just a flavour of ECMA (as is javascript). Adapting their tools to output to html5 apps would not be a huge undertaking.

If you don't think Adobe is already working on this, then you're an arse.

Oh brilliant. Compare something shit to something good. :)

Equally, Kobe beef is better than macdonalds.

The key, that you usefully missed, is that both flash/html5 are/will be as good as the same in terms of DELIVERING VIDEO.

So now why would someone pay for something they could get for free?

2022 they reckon. And getting W3C this year.

Brilliant. Who denies that?

Again, no one is denying that.

Yes it is. Again, no one appears to be denying that?

a) no it isn't http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
b) who is saying end users jump on upgrades?

As I said, where did I suggest that? I didn't, did I?

I mean, I am sorry you assumed I said things I didn't, and you are now arguing against YOUR supposition as opposed to anything I actually said. :)

Hope hockey is fun.

They are? Maybe if browsers would support ALL codecs, which won't happen. Licensing fees. Mozilla doesn't like NON-opensource stuff, where as apple and Google seem to.

..and hockey will be fun, until I hurt myself.

So, what is it you want? I've given you my opinion, and the fact that Flash is used for more than just delivering end-user video is enough of a reason for developers who need it to continue paying for it. You can deliver video to your users right now without Flash or HTML5. You don't NEED either one.

I guess I'm not sure what your vantage point is on this. Are you just looking to save a buck by not purchasing Flash? That's not a good enough reason or argument to make claims of 'conceptual' HTML 5 killing off a staple of designer / developer tools that's been in play for decades.

DamienJ,

I guess, let me put this another way...
We can both agree that Flash is infinitely more advanced & better than Compuserve's old ass GIF in terms of banner design. Yet even as vastly superior as Flash is in every way and then some in that regard, the GIF format lives on to this day. So if HTML 5 is being viewed as a "Flash Killer" based solely on end user video delivery, do you honestly believe Adobe is just going to say, "Well, that's it then. Let's terminate Flash."? Or that developers & designers are going to stop using it?

When you speak of something as a Flash Killer, it's going to have to pack more of a punch than just saving a buck on video delivery. It's going to have to be a holographic tactile slut crawling out of the screen and sucking some dick.

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backtrack post 80 posts in when you realize what you said is false
when something is "dead" how can it be alive for another 10 years?

PS get off apples balls you just saw the iPad vid and got a boner.
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you = full of shit

And is the problem with your life and death argument and why you are defending and back peddling so rapidly. Macdonalds does not sell Kobe beef.

The following is taken from the URL you posted:

"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends."

Every single one of my sites logs shows that IE6 is the most popular browser.

I wanted to point out your paint/photoshop analogy wasn't really very accurate.

It's just Flash isn't all that, and things change. Not sure why everyone is so busy sucking Adobe's cock?

No, I do marketing. I don't buy any Flash licences.

I just think it's FASCINATING how so many people have run into this thread so oddly aggressively. Like I was saying America isn't very good!

The only point I was really making is that that link had a really nice clip of video.

Hehe! Brilliant post!

Oh, is THAT what you got so annoyed about. That's a thing people say in monarchies and have done since 1272. The King is dead, long live the king. It's a phrase, or saying.

Headlines are meant to get people's attention.

Worked.

Like the hand egg one.

Google just announced it was dropping support of ie6.

Considering the aggressive nature of the topic you posted, I am not sure why you are surprised.

Another brilliant contribution, refund. You keep on rocking, girl.

Love your work

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Yeah I know you do sweety, maybe cause its always been legal. Don't make me mention that nasty illegal shit you sold for years. Now be a good boy and get back on message. I really hate to see people blow holes in their feet. And you were being so well behaved. So don't be raising shit all over again. Your veneer is very, very thin. And I can see you have lit your own fuse one more time.

I apologize if my comments appeared aggressive, that wasn't my intent.

I agree, things change all the time, and that's usually good. But I've heard this HTML 5 battle cry a hundred times all over the Internet, and it's never put into the perspective of reality.

I was doing Flash interface design all the way back in 1997, and trying to get clients to understand the merits of Flash was like beating my head against a brick wall while simultaneously stabbing myself in the eye with a fork.

Here we are 13 years later and everyone finally 'gets it'. Flash isn't the big scary unknown mystery tech they all thought it was. But that had a lot to do with merely overcoming the plugin 'scariness' factor. With HTML 5 we're talking about fully supportive browsers, agreement between collaborators, and the ever growing end-user apathy towards upgrading anything. Most users can't manage to keep spyware off their systems, let alone get themselves off IE6.

So anyway, I just think you're being overly optimistic about HTML 5 replacing Flash any time soon. (and again, if ever). And from reality's perspective, if your goal is to deliver to as many of your users as possible, then of course you have to use the tech that will accomplish that.

That's all.

:2 cents: