If a war starts for whichever reason, I'm behind George 100%. He's not a pussy & he won't back down & won't let other countries push us around. I don't think we should be sticking our nose in other country's business, but if it can trickle down to effecting our country even a little bit, then there's something that should be done & we have the power to stop it. 'Sides we need a war...

You are a moron -- go back to the gutter. Do you even know the definition of socialism?

You are truely a fool.

The fact of the matter remains that programs (such as the ones I mentioned are purely socialist). The fact that you can't see that makes you not only a fool, but an idiot.

Show me one single Constitutional mandate that provides for these aforementioned socialistic programs and you win.

Socialism:

"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

bWWWWWWWWWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

GFY is under commie attack, oh I forgot now they call themselves LIBERALS. I think I am going to puke:1orglaugh

There is a explanation why stupidity and socialism start with the same letter - they are exactly the same thing. Nearly by definition, you have to be stupid to be socialist, it comes with the territory of ignoring reality.

Just the Village Idiot:

*Here is a wonderful idea... you worry about you country and I'll worry about mine. *

Idiot .. I don't think that is a "wonderful idea" at all when I feel obligated to contribute to some friends in the US who have been up shit creek over the crap healthcare system - So shut the fuck up and stop talking about it and DO SOMETHING constructive :glugglug

Ohhh, looks like someone has a raw nerve! :winkwink:

So we're back to the magical thinking again?

I agree with that definition, but none of the programs you mentioned above advocate anything lilke complete government control over the distribution of goods, or collective ownership for that matter.

By your own definition they aren't socialist, and no amount of magical right wing "reasoning", labeling, whining, calling names, or regurgitating Rush Limbaugh monologues will make them so.

* COUGHS -- BULLSHIT *

There are so many fucking adolescent idiot kids around this board that know fuck all about anything or are adults that need some help - sad thought! :)

your lunacy is really trying my patience........

do I really have to explain this to you -- oh educated one.

Funny how you ignored my question... which programs are alive due to a Constitutional mandate?

Did I simplify the question enough?

I'm ready for some war, all caught up on the Law & Order back episodes and now their's no shit left to watch on TV,
Watching some carnage may help to pass the time.

Webby, you must be from Soviet republic of Canuckistan. Ever wonder why your nation's best and brightest leave for US? They seek to leave the scourge of socialism since they understand it.

Some friends... really? You have friends... and they just happen to be unemployed and without health insurance in the US.

Very unlucky for them...

I'll stop talking.... sure! After you of course.....

Yea Drew... I'm from Moscow and a raving "commie" - that suit your dull brain and enable ya to pigeon hole things as simplely as possible? :)

Aptley named is the Village Idiot... You actually an adult or a five year old??:)

You going to back that up???

Name the time and place... you pick the debate topic.

:winkwink:

Children have food, shelter, education, and medical care provided (well or badly) by adults. Socialists want food, shelter, education, and medical care provided for everyone. Families are small socialist societies. Socialists want to treat everyone like family.

Children want things before they learn about money. When parents say "we can't afford it" children think they're cruel or stupid. Socialists believe a government that doesn't give the people what they want is cruel or inefficient.

Children can't imagine human diversity. They assume everyone feels like they do. Socialists think the right plan will make everyone happy. In reality our different values, habits, and perceptions make profound disagreement natural and inevitable.

Children should not control adults and socialists should not control society. Socialist thinking regresses us into a state of helpless dependence. The illusion of socialism will only be discarded when people understand its roots and outgrow its childish world view.

Just the Village Idiot:

Back what up?? You blind that you cannot see the adolescents around?? I don't "debate" with idiots - so far you "debated" a flat zero...

The answer would be self evident to anyone who had actually read the Constitution recently.

"Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

The Constitution empowers the legislative branch specifically to create legislation for "the general welfare." Therefore.. and I know it sucks to be you right now.. every social program (unless ruled unconstitutional by the Judicial) is created via Constitutional mandate.

:)

Just the Village Idiot
See, webby is just another arrogant stupid socialist. He believes he is right, and the rest of us are stupid. No, you can not help him.

drew:

See you are simplifying and stuffing your thoughts into nice pigeon holes yet - thank you for that analysis of someone you know fuck all about. I won't take it too seriously tho!:Graucho

drew:

About stupid? Yea, fuck! You are "evidently" that in my mind, I can guess that one pretty accurately without ever having met ya!

Fuck off stupid asshole!:)

You think you got one over on me.... but you are retarded.

"Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

You are using "the general welfare" to refer to private citizens when it clearly applies to "general Welfare of the United States" not one single private citizen.

Hooked-on... works great...

Try again.... and please do better this time. That was far to easy.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

General wefare????

Bah -- come up with something.

double

Yes I know Webby, name calling, another typical
socialist symptom.

Gutterboy:

*lol* Oh fuck! Who bred these people? They come from some "close knit' community?

Enough of assholes for the day - they must be.. hell knows, but retarded in some way! :)

drew:

I know ya are the specialist on "socialists", "commies" and the French so just ya keep at em boy and have fun! Doubt they will give a shit!

Webby, give up... it is not worth it. The only head that "idiot" and "drew" have are their dickhead... and probably infected with diseases....

:angel

This apply to webby:
"The average liberal is a coward, bully, socialist, totalitarian and a collectivist with a complete lack of common sense and any understanding of the way the world works."

oh, look at all the stupid liberals, oh, look at all the stupid liberals

all the stupid liberals, where did they all come from, all the stupid liberals, where do they all belong,

How do I feel about Liberals? They are Damn Mutherfucking stupid shit for brains self centered self serving hypocritical elitist asshole pigs, who like the gooey sweet feeling of knee-jerk reactions to problems instead of thinking of real solutions. They stand on the carcass of murdered babies and extol the importance of freedom of choice for women while calling for the banning of guns for sake of the children.They hate freedom, hate America, hate modernism, and hate everyone else's money because deep in their hearts they know they don't deserve their own. They always need a victim to save to make themselves feel better. Liberal victory in America would result in insane tax rates to support a giant unproductive welfare state that will eventually crumble.

I'd rather be diseased than not have a braincell....

to each their own though...

:Graucho

If your fucking liberals are so humanitarian why do most of you live in Wealthy parts of town ?Why don't you sell your houses? If your so concerned about homelessness, why don't you let a couple of those drunken or druged up fools move in to your home so you can take care of them yourselves. Why don't you sell your SUV/cars and just fucking walk or ride your bike everywhere and save the Earth? If you fucking Liberals care about minority umempolyment. Quit your job and give it to me a minority. Why don't you GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY to the poor and be and live poor yourselves. Liberals make me sick because they are phony just like you webby. I know where I stand. Liberals try to talk down to me like I can't reason for myself. LIBERALS ARE HYPOCRITE, SICKENING, NAIVE AND PLAIN STUPID.

It refers to the United States as a whole. Are you stupid enough to argue that the citizens are not a part of that whole? I didn't think so. If you are, please explain why every social program ever produced by Congress hasn't been ruled unconstitutional?

Wait.. let me guess.. its because your personal interpretation of the Constitution is correct, and the Supreme Court, all the Federal Courts, the Legislature and the Executive branch have had it all wrong for the last 200 years. Which, of course, is another common right wing delusion ;-)

Gutterboy and Webby. LOL
You would say 2+2=5 if it suited your interests. You never make sense and when someone counters your commie propaganda you bigoted motherfuckers call them names and attack them personally. We don't need your elite Gestapo from telling anyone what we can or can not do with our lives, just because it is "politically incorrect", or doesn't mold into your socialist paradise.
:321GFY

directfiesta:

*The only head that "idiot" and "drew" have are their dickhead... and probably infected with diseases.... *

*g* I was actually wondering if they are "real" .. and yea, there ain't no point - they need help.

That garbage above from drew :
* If your fucking liberals are so humanitarian why do most of you live in Wealthy parts of town ?Why don't you sell your houses? If your so concerned about homelessness, why don't you let a couple of those drunken or druged up fools move in to your home so you can take care of them yourselves. Why don't you sell your SUV/cars and just fucking walk or ride your bike everywhere and save the Earth? blah..."
is meaningful if ya read between the lines - there is a problem there :) He don't look like he has a happy life!

I'm off to a more sane world for some "real" fun! :)

You must truely be a whiny ass liberal waiting for a wefare check...

If you knew anyhing about the constitution then you wouldn't be attemting to make these arguments.

We've all seen how the Judical brach now attempts to legislate from the bench. Hell, the President sending a bill to Congress is in violation.

Wait you are only going to bring up things against your agenda.

The Consitution was written specifially to protect individuual citizens from a tyrannical governement.... to protect their rights as individuals (cause you've proven to be slow).

Your arguement that the general welfare of the United States applies to citizens is not only off the mark... frankly it's stupid.

I don't think you're one to comment on other people "calling people names" lol.

I for one will never waste my breath trying to talk sense to them. Liberals talk a good fight calling people fascists and Nazi's and KKK, but take a look at their own rhetoric. Its filled with hate and invective just like the Nazi's and KKK. I'd rather be called a Nazi than a Liberal, but other than the Liberals being more virulent, I fail to see any difference besides the Nazi's being more honest. After all, they are both socialists, whether national or international.

you don't think calling a right winger a nazi or kkk'r is about as lame as calling a liberal a commie?

bhutocracy,
When I am attacked I have the right to defend myself. I didnt start.:1orglaugh

We will again illustrate that before one interprets the Constitution, one needs to have actually read it..

"He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; "

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Indeed. What is 200 years of Constitutional jurisprudence when compared to the obviously superior legal scholarship of a right wing troll on a chat board?

Remember- it is OK to be a liar as long as you are a liberal. It is OK to be a racist as long as you are a liberal. And certainly, it is OK to be a hypocrite as long as you are a liberal. Go figure.

A new war in the Middle East could plunge it into a major conflict and The US will have to stay because they started it.. Lot's of lives will be lost including American lives and thousands of innocent people.. Over what? A fucking piece of shit like Saddam. With all the money the USA have why don't they put a fucking bullet right between his eyes.. Bomd his Houses? Make the cock sucker's life a living hell? The USA brags about what cool shit they got and what they can do but, they can't get the 2 people they want most? Hummmmm...

Nazism and Communism = socialism realized.
There were a good many liberals at the time who backed fascism or the Soviet union. Go figure.

You convicted me... where is my handout?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Saddam uses about 7 or 8 body doubles. Hell, I have heard they even do his appearances..

Trying to interpret the Constitution by today's standards will get you nowhere.....

It requires a brain and the ability to think outside of 2002.... I assume you'll never get it as you fail on both counts.

BTW -- funny to quote the preamble and leave out all of the rest....

a big reason people leave canada for the states is money. the states is a bigger market, which typically means bigger companies which usually pay higher salaries.

things like federal funding of education, healthcare, etc are good for a developed country.

Yes Education is better here in Canada, but health care? No fucking way, people are dying on waiting lists, or go to emergency room, 8 hours waiting time. It's not that long ago when little child here died while parents waited with him in emergency room.

But they still keep their medicare card and get threated here.. Better to wait 3 months and pay nothing than wait 2 months and pay 100K for an operatrion!

Yes