Can you show us where on the Constitution or Bill of Rights it mentions that government provides healthcare?

in the entire history of mankind, healthcare has never been a right. it now, because people WANT it to be, is CONSIDERED to be a right but thats about it.
Additionally, you, who can not pay for your own "right" need to decide what you're willing to give up for you so called "right"
My family should not have to give up what I've worked for because you think you deserve what you can not afford.:thumbsup

I cannot believe these Dems are SO useless.... USELESS... they still wield more power than the the Republicans have seen since 1920 but can't get anything done
this election will just be AN EXCUSE the Dems will give for not getting shit done

GOD why can't there be a serious third party

I HAVE educated myself. You came in the discussion with no proof. That link you provided and http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...1/SUB/70927008 shows you that it most certainly is not a one way system. We also house about 300 million people where Canada house a little more than 33. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...are_97244.html

We got two smart guys here.

Yeah, but they needed a 2/3 vote to boot him and didn't get it, but yes he was in fact impeached. The vote went right down party lines

Watching the news this morning, interesting the spin the democrats are putting on this, they need to stop the spin and get the message or be unemployed

The president needs to sit down with regular doctors and listen
The president needs to sit with GOP and dems and come up with a simple plan with no pork spending for every American to see and understand
The president needs to tell the unions and SEIU they have no voice in this, it's about the American people.
The president needs to act like he works for the American People
The president needs to watch the video from his campaign and remember his promises

You want Reagan back lookup Meese commission.

i think the kennedy curse is underplayed as a reason his seat went to a republican.

I thought we were supposed to pledge to "serve" Obama? Whach you talkin bout Willis?

This is exactly what the majority of people wanted. They wanted the government TO SLOW THE FUCK DOWN. But the dems stepped on the god damn gas pedal. This is blow back.

Not only did Mass elect a Republican, they elected a god damn NEO-CON. That is how much Obama and the progressives have fucked up.

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Damn, that is huge.

No, you just do not have a clue as to what is a "right." You think driving is a right?

That is high for a presidential election. I would only expect a turnout like that if the election was for a tax increase.

You dont understand that's why people get elected from states. Is to get things from wash for their states. That's contracts, funding,etc call it pork call it whatever you like. But thats the system. The GOP will not sit with him because they want him to fail, they will not work with him. When they were in control I dont remember them working with dems, it was push it thru and I actually respect them for that. The GOP has got balls which the dems dont have.
Doctors will tell him, the insurance companies dictate what they can and cant do. If you think your doctor has free reign and youre not a all cash customer ,your kidding yourself.
Obama has been a huge disappointment to me because he is George Bush lite, if you toss all the partisan bullshit aside. Nothing has changed,it same old same old.
If you think everything would be all roses under Mccain your kidding yourself. It would be pretty close to exactly the same except maybe we would be at war with iran.

I love how people are saying "this sent a message to Washington".
This wont change shit. Republicans are power hungry assholes and democrats are retards. One party gets in, fucks everythign up, and people get frustrated and vote for the other party. Then they other party fucks up and people vote the first ones back in.

it really is the difference between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

No party does shit for anyone. They make promises, get in office, and do nothing.

The average american is so unhealthy and obese and disgusting that I don't want to be paying for 7 medications for old fat idiots.

I do think healthcare should be a basic human right, especially in the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world. It makes us look bad when so many other countries are ranked higher in health care, and also in free market economies. We could use some improvement.

I don't think the Democrats nor the Republicans are going to repair this anytime soon.

The dems had the pedal to the metal because they knew they would probably lose their super majority in 2010. It was pretty much now or never as far as getting real health care reform and they knew it.


Indeed.

The question now is where did the dems go wrong. It's my feeling that they didn't go far enough. The voters (or a lot of them in any case) wanted health insurance that was both more affordable and more inclusive. What the dems offered instead was a law requiring everybody to buy insurance that was sure to cost more, a lot more. It was a giveaway to the insurance industry plain and simple.

Add to that the fact that Obama has done nothing to clamp down on the abuses on Wall Street and in the banking industry and it's no wonder that the voters have turned on him.


That's the real irony here. The voters are pissed and they want blood but since they can't punish Wall Street, AIG or the big banks they're taking their rage out on the party they see as having betrayed them.


The democrats had an opportunity the likes of which they might not see again for another generation.

Thing is, the Republicans don't have the answers either and enough voters know that to keep them from ever getting the kind of power the Democrats just had.

Like I said, new game, new rules. Welcome to the era of gridlocked, do nothing government.

You've got to be kiding me
You judge Reagan on a report he ordered about the porn industry that has nothing in common with the industry now?

He ended the cold war
He ended over 10% unemployement
He delt with bank problems
Many feel that his programs lead to the boom of the economy of the 90's
Yeah I want him back

he would know how to fix this mess, too bad Obama doesn't look at his lead!

Amen to that. Regan was my favorite president, he did so much for the economy and jobs, and he didn't take shit from anybody. Him and FDR are at the very top.

Um, I guess you didn't hear what happened in the 90's
Voter revolt, gop took the house and senate and Clinton had to change the way he did things

Why should everything be a right? The problem in the US is that everyone thinks they are entitled to things.

A total face and neck lift procedure can cost about $12,000 in the U.S.A, while a similar procedure will costs around $3,000-4,000 overseas.

Plastic surgery is not a need in most cases. I thought we were taking about medical needs. :2 cents:

It's silly how prominent people are tryng to say that this shows "the people" are worried about the country and all this. You mean "the people" of massachusetts. Fine. Good for you, lol. The demon craps dont need 60 votes anyway. They just wanted to bring in some publictards. We all know the pubes just stamped every shit bush sent anyway, guess the dums can just do the same thing now. How is this a win for the country? "Country First", right? lol, right.

I am not lol... And I am from Boston.. She blew a huge lead but being fucking stupid and name calling.. If she had just stuck to the basics she could have pulled it out... To me it isn't about parties it is about the people as I think both parties suck

The best REFORM for healthcare I can think of is a MARKET-BASED reform. 1) Set uniform standards for care and legal protections (this reduces the cost of defensive medicine) 2) Using these standards, allow HMOs and health companies to send patients overseas for much cheaper medical care 3) Allow health insurance companies to sell policies across state lines 4) enter medical standardization treaties with other countries 5) strict accreditation of foreign medical institutions.

Healthcare becomes way way cheaper, the market for medical services expands, developing countries step their game up through technology transfer/standards proliferation, patients get high quality care at lower costs, there's many benefits.

Why is this better than the Public Option? Because private players have an incentive to keep costs down and profits up. Competition breeds innovation and excellence. Bureaucracies lead to rationing and other problems. If there's anyone who can pull this off, it's the US.

I agree, I don't understand this mentality.

Where did you come up with this? I've heard bits and pieces of this but together, it surprisingly is a very good idea.

When have the Republicans ever come to the table to work with the Democrats? Even in massive defeat the Republicans were just as hard headed as they were when they controlled everything.

The simple fact is both side suck and neither does anything with the first thought being "for the people" but rather the first thought is what will this do for my re-election campaign or can I get something for myself out of this.

Anytime "for the people" comes up in their reasoning for doing anything, it's only to use as a campaign slogan. The simple fact is our govt sucks and it's not the Republican's or the Democrats fault, but rather all us idiots that play into their game and continue voting for them.

Surprisingly it has happened.


Asked about his greatest regret as a legislator, Ted Kennedy would usually cite his refusal to cut a deal with Richard Nixon on health care.

. . . [in 1971], Nixon asked Congress to require for the first time that all companies provide a health plan for their employees, with federal subsidies for low-income workers. Nixon was particularly intrigued by a new idea called health maintenance organizations, which held the promise of providing high-quality care at lower prices by relying on salaried physicians to manage and coordinate patient care.

At first, Kennedy rejected Nixon?s proposal as nothing more than a bonanza for the insurance industry that would create a two-class system of health care in America. But after Nixon won reelection, Kennedy began a series of secret negotiations with the White House that almost led to a public agreement. In the end, Nixon backed out after receiving pressure from small-business owners and the American Medical Association. And Kennedy himself decided to back off after receiving heavy pressure from labor leaders, who urged him to hold out for a single-payer system once Democrats recaptured the White House in the wake of the Watergate scandal

This would work. :thumbsup

Unfortunately, he is serious.

Doubtful. Mr Obama has screwed the pooch for democrats. :2 cents:

She was actually winning nicely despite Obama although it is easy to blame this loss on him .. She blew it herself .. Have you heard the woman talk??? OMG

actually, she had a comfortable lead until the senate bribed, borrowed, and stole its way to 60 votes.

people are pissed, they want change, thats how the dems got in there in 06, thats how Obama got in there in 08
So far, no change for the good, so voters are going to vote out the old in favor of the new

Did anyone catch the 60 Minute episode on Medicare Fraud? That is 60 billion reaons the goverment has no business running health care.

ever seen the movie aticle 99? Thats was about the VA hospital system

Don't forget the vacation she took where her office went black for like 2 weeks, the fact that she didn't run an ad in the first weeks of the new year, the fact she would not debate him and her list of screw ups goes on and on

I guess we'll see once reid, pelosi, and the rest go down to defeat as well.

Please support your local corporation because we care.

The supreme court agrees......

http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/21/sup...ess-court.html