Your post was only 20 minutes after the thread was created, and it was reply #11. How much faster did you need it to be? :1orglaugh

We can't turn back the hands of time. We can learn from those mistakes and not repeat them. I agree that healthcare reform is essential. I do not agree with the majority of points that the current administration has made to reform it.

American Idol must've been on?

Do you speak English?

QFT. I think Obama's presidency the past year has taught the Republicans how NOT to run the country, what choices NOT to make, etc. They did fuck up for 8 years but what Obama is doing has brought a resurgence of the Republican Party.

I am now a corporatist.


Please, invest your money in one of my health insurance companies.....

HBCBS, AETNA, CIGNA and my favorite HUMANA. They are working hard for the American people and support healthcare reform. They also support the people's choice!

I apologize for the insult.

Didn't we send the same message on November 4, 2008?

I'm curious as to what the voter turnout was today. Special elections typically lean right.

If we kick enough people out of office in November, we may see some serious changes and accountability, but I seriously doubt that will happen. I hope it does, but it seems like people only lose their seat to Death (Ted Kennedy) and scandal (countless others).

One seat going right during a special election is ... well, typical.

One thing is sure ... we voted for change last year, got none. We supposedly just voted for change, I bet we get none. We'll probably vote again in November for some more and get none.

Term limits would be part of the overall solution. Too bad the people cannot put Proposition 1 on the national ballot: term limits

Welcome to the age of no congress.

New game, new rules.

Without a 60 vote majority neither party will be passing any laws for a very, verrry long time.

Yes he does...Thanks...

I hope so.

Can't argue with that! :2 cents:

I was not aware that Obama wrote and solely voted for all legislation that gets passed. I also wasn't aware that he is the entire government.

So you're saying get rid of Obama and get rid of the problem?

If anything, I thought that Obama taught us that the President is nothing more than a figurehead.

Actually, come to think of it, Bush, too.

America was so worried about changing the President that they forgot Congress.

We need a shuffle come November. A VERY BIG SHUFFLE.

I dream of a world full of technology (which we already have) where the common man can vote on major issues. Keep Congress around for the petty things, but for the things that get people riled up (like health care), leave it to a national vote. Hell, install the voting booths in Redbox, at McDonald's, Starbucks and welfare offices ... that would probably cover 99% of the population, no?

No, I didn't say get rid of Obama. If he was doing a good job I would be supporting him. Except he's failing in every conceivable way.

Bush failed. Obama is failing.

Come to this of it, this whole millennium has sucked.

Bring back Reagan! Oh wait:(


I do think that a mixture of Peter Schiff and Ron Paul will re-energize our economy.

Here is the ONLY reason why I will NEVER vote for a Republican:

They cannot stay the fuck out of my bedroom and out of my everyday life. If Republicans were interested in giving me the personal rights that they CLAIM they are for, I'd align right in a heartbeat.

I've always been fiscally conservative and socially liberal. My personal rights are more important to me than spending and always will be. As long as the "right" thinks that they are "morally right," the left will get my vote.

When it comes to health care, the only requirement should be that anyone that wants to pay for insurance should be able to. That means no denials for pre-existing conditions, no lifetime caps (the real death panel the Republicans scream about), etc.

That's cool. I'm still not sure at what point I would ever vote Democrat.

Any news reports from Arlington Cemetery? Teddy has to be spinning.... his replacement is the stopper to healthcare!!

Sorry but that is incorrect, infact the total opposite is true.

Quality healthcare is so much cheaper in other countries we now have the case where Americans are traveling overseas to get stuff done and even if they dont qualify for the free care they are still paying a ton less. Its called medical tourisim or something similar. I have experienced a variety of medical care in several free healtcare countries and also America. Virtually no difference between the healthcare except the cost.

Only in some very rare occasions is it worth going to the US to get care, and those situations usually only revolve around medical trials and very rare or new procedures.

prove it.

Why .. if you were generally interested in the truth you would seek it out yourself and educate yourself.

You want to learn the facts, you do the research. Its not my job to spoon feed you an education.

But I will give you a crumb to get you started ... look at the growing number of Americans popping over the border to Canada for care. Its very much 1 way traffic too. :) There ya go now you are armed with a little knowledge you can start your research on the facts of medical tourism :) Good luck!

Now the republicans get their chance to fuck this country up.

Impossible. Nation-x just assured us earlier today that he would not win.

Because those that suggest term limits think it should be something stupid, like one term only. :2 cents:

I notice that he "Nation X" has not been around since....Well you know....Brown Won....LOL :thumbsup

Too bad he passed on my offer for the wager. I would have used it to purchase $100 worth of fireworks to celebrate.

If this was truly the case, then you wouldn't tell me I'm wrong, based on nothing. Of all the people I've met from other countries, the majority of them were unhappy with universal healthcare and in many cases, came to America for healthcare. If you can't prove something then you can't tell someone they're wrong.

And there's a growing # of international people coming to America. One way traffic ROFL

Why are you saying that?
in 06 democrats took over the house and senate on the promise of change, that's when the housing market started to fuck up
in 08 Obama promised change and with the power of a democratic controlled house and senate, he got how much done in a year?
Now in 2010 one seat gets changed and you think the Republicans are in control?
The last time the country was in a really good place was at the end of Clinton's presidency with a GOP controlled house and senate. It's called a balance. Clinton had to change his path as presidency or loose in 96, which he won! and the country was in a good place, well except he almost got impeached.
Later this year, the democrats are going to see what happens they don't remember history and they are going to loose their jobs, we'll have a GOP house and senate, with a democratic president and Obama will have to change his path or he will look the fool and loose in 2012.
Then Hopefully we can get back to business of getting this country running right. Either that or get a new president like Reagan !!!

^This man knows what the hell is going on.

Not true. Lots of Canadians come to the US for care when they need a specialist or have to have surgery. I know people in England that are on a two year waiting list to see a specialist. I am sorry but universal healthcare is only going to make us all wait longer to see doctors. There are doctors threatening to retire if this passes. We already have a doctor shortage. I don't remember heathcare being a right. I guess owning a car and a house should also be rights and not privileges.

How so? The dems just went from the biggest majority they've had in 30 some odd years to the 2nd biggest majority they've had in 30 some odd years.

The facts show that plenty of Canadians come to the US for medical reasons. US citizens go to Canada to get cheaper drugs. The traffic is not one way. You are the one that needs knowledge.

"More voters showed up at the polls Tuesday than in any non-presidential general election in Massachusetts since 1990.... Galvin, who discounted sporadic reports of voter irregularities throughout the day, predicted turnout ranging from 1.6 million to 2.2 million, 40 percent to 55 percent of registered voters. The Dec. 8 primary had a scant turnout of about 20 percent."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_massachusetts_senate

You seriously don't think healthcare is a right?
Really?
Like at all?

I must've been raised completely differently than you... or have a heart or something.. I can't see how a human being doesn't think that healthcare could be a right. I just don't. Any way I look at it, my brain pleads with me a million and one reasons why it IS a right... and should be a right.

Oh shit.

That's a high turnout for a non-presidential election.

The people of Massachusetts have spoken. A very blue state, nonetheless.

Please educate yourself on facts before you contribute to discussions like this.

It took me 2 seconds to find this ..

http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/vi...outside_the_us

How many came to America for treatment ... there are a few hundred thousand a year, as i mentioned mostly for cutting edge care, trials and care not offered in other countries. For basic health care .. dental, surgery, general health care its all outbound traffic. Thailand, Canada, hell even Mexico and South America are proving to be popular destinations for Americans. Hell you guys even have an association for medical tourism set up to cater to the estimated 1 million americans who will seek care outside the US this year because of costs. Its big business.

An estimated 300-400k people will seek care in the US in 2010 from the entire world.

An estimated 1 million Americans will seek treatment and care outside the US in 2010.

Not one way, i overstated it, but definitely quite telling. :) 3 lanes outbound, 1 lane inbound.

I'm not from Boston
 

But I've been here for the last couple months.. I'm just glad to see those ads stop running on tv.. thats all that was on. :thumbsup

Small correction President Clinton was not almost impeached...he was in fact impeached.

Brown/Palin in 2012!

LOL Classic.