I asked ounce about spam and got flamed

That's an interesting process you've described. That's a great marketing tool to exploit, given the pre-qualification aspect.







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My personal opinion is that spam and junk mail are similar but slightly different.

I have yet to see a hardcore adult junk mail come thru my slot.

I get 10-12 hardcore spams per day to an address that I have not used anywhere on the net. Seems strange somehow. So I definitely can see how kids can get hit with this.

But mailing an optin list? bah, imo it should be no problem.

Sad thing is, one person complains because the wife caught a glimpse into his online porn addiction and spamcop is all over it and before you know it upstream providers are calling you.

The hardcore anti spam people scare me. I have never sent a mailer in my life. However, being a host I have had some customers send a mailer or two (and we been thru a number of formmail exploits). And man, I have had more death threats and threats of physical harm then you can imagine. People are psycho.

I am with p1mpdogg.. that 300k list of emails from members - hit it up once or twice for fun.

That 30 million list you bought for $200... toss it in the garbage cuz you are going to hit a bunch of kids.

You don't have the respect like "quiet" does. We all listen and pay attention to successful people.

And yes it pisses me off when all these webmasters bitch about spam when its not that big a deal if you get a good filter. I am more pissed off at those damn spam mails that send me 8-15 300k bloody email viriuses EACH AND EVERY DAY!! 10-20 spams I can handle and I don't even use a filter.

I'm working on my new spamming enpire right now, (wish me luck) :)

Sammy

hello ytc, long time no see buddy :glugglug

I got good lists....

tony at americanpervert dot com

:BangBang: :waaaaahh :waaaaahh

If you're looking to send large volumes of mail I've got a program for campaign management. Starts at $9,975 and scales up as you add more mail servers. Most of the features are not really useful to blatant spammers though, no proxies, no relays, no IP changing/spoofing, etc. But if you've got legit email and you want to determine country, get opener/click counts, etc. check out http://www.humaniq.com/mailcluster

SPAM will kill you man-o-man some double opt-in subscribers who get's the sales mail feels like it's a war. Who cares - as long as you don't live in the USA. I'Send out few million - it's worth of it if you don't care about letters / email saying "YOU ARE DEATH MAN!". honestly - who cares - as long as it's double opt-in list(s). Good luck but don't blow your head.

well quiet, here's what I would do.

I'd take my members that converted to a full month, and I would mail them at myself, either same site, new price or different site along the same lines as the one they converted to.

Now my bandwidth sucking leeches, the ones that cancelled on trial, well, I'd mail them at the highest paying per join program I could find that will let you mail them.

That's if you have them sorted like that ;)

all of the emails are from expired *full* month members (i don't use trials), so there wouldn't be anything to separate.

so what would be the easiest and most efficent way to send out around 350K emails to your expired members?

choose the subject line of the email carefully.

I'd make a special landing page for them. Since you already KNOW they like what you've got, but you also know that they cancelled, you'll need to sell 'em somehow. Make them feel like they have really missed out. I don't know how often you change your tour, but I definitely wouldn't want to send them to free samples identical to what they have seen before . . .

Fuck I dunno . . . Kimmy would probably know better than I but my gut feeling is that you might want to have someone design a whole new tour just for this. I mean, these people did cancel for a reason . . , they got bored with it. Otherwise they'd have come back by now . . .. surfers don't seem to forget their favorite sites. You run a quality site like I did so I am sure you have a lot of return members like I did. So a whole fresh new look might be just the hook you need. Hmmm, I seem to be rambling now, so I'll quit. :thumbsup

could always hook pimpdog up with a copy, and i can get them mailed for you :)

aint that a funny thought..

btw.. about 30-40% of those emails are dead.

i figured i'd lose quite a few in the translation. maybe i'll just forget about it for now. how well do you think it *might* convert on the addy's still alive? just curious...

lets say you mailed your site again..

You have a quality site.. 1:40 would be a piece of cake

350,000 x 35%= 227,500.
227,500 emails..figure 1 out of 20 ppl will click through.
11,375 goto your site and 1 out of 40 will signup.

275-300 sales :)

http://www.havenco.com comes pretty fucking close to being
untouchable :winkwink:

DynaMite

edit: wrong URL....sorry

They don't want spam either read ther terms, if you want spam hosting its very easy to find. I'll have to dig out my members list which i've never emailed and give it a shot.

Sammy

my ratio with sending emails is 1:120 with GOOD emails.

:thumbsup

I sit alone in my 4 cornered room, eating a wing dinner.

If you ask the post office they will cancel all unaddressed mail to you (least they do in canada) - then you only have to deal with addressed mail. If someone is willing to spend 50 cents to get me to throw their letter int he garbage I'm ok with that as the price makes it so people send only HIGHLY relevant mail regular spam to me.

email spam takes up almost an hour of my day, every day, and the VAST majority of it is totally irrelvant to me, like mortage or life insurance companies in the USA - it's impossible for me to use their services but I STILL have to waste my time deleting their messages. It cost them next to nothing to send me the message so they keep sending it even though I'm not even a rmotly possible customer. Then there's the porn companies that send porn to kids and grandmas. Every second spam I get tells me I opted in for it, BULLSHIT. the only real opt in list is a double opt in list and I never agree to those.

Spammers are bad. They are the reason Bush wants to crack down on porn. Email is almost impossible to use with the way spam is going. I really hope all spammers end up in Jail.

SO basically you're saying Quiet should risk having people get really pissed off, possibly report him to all kinds of watchdog agencies, maybe get hacked by a disgruntaled person, and deal with all the headaches of spam for what looks like about 3 days worth of sales at his level?

1 hour a day wasted on spam??? Umm you need some proper filters installed or you need to stop exadurating :)

And yes spammers are the main cause of heat on our industry, I mean how many state goveneurs and high up people are getting sent porn to there email box EVERY DAY!! Lots I bet and its attention this industry doesn' t need.

Sammy

since I can't really delete porn words from my email I havn't found any filters that really work, the spammers seem to always email from new and different address so banning specific email address doesn't work. I always have to go through the disgarded folder anyway looking for clients and such that got deleted by mistake.

I agree with Sleazy on this one.

To all you people whining about "oh walmart can chop down trees to send out ads and that's ok but you can't delete an email?"
I've never walked to my mailbox and received a flyer with a picture of a girl shitting on a guy's face, I've never received a catalog full of illegal inc*st or lol*ta pictures, and I've never had to explain to my kid what r*pe is because he saw it on a postcard.

If you have a true double opt in list with a one click opt out, that's fine. If you're mailing your expired members, that's fine to IMO....but to all you email harvesters and blatant spammers that send out this sick shit on a daily basis to lists that you damn well know have a good % of minors on it, I want to know, what do you do at night when I'm sleeping?

Sleazy, he can get a cheap host and email his customers
(who probably won't complain about him too much cause they were previeous members/customers of that site)

If he needs he could setup the adverts he sends his customers too on the spam (bullet proof server) and then it links to the join page of his own site. Nobody is going to care cause they were previeous members. I mean I installed real.com's player and they send me spam messages which I can't seem to unsubscribe from, with there software they even popup little prompts linking to some of there sites. Its ok as long as they were customers.
And the new USA telemarketing rules coming in soon say telemarketers can call you if you purchased a product or service with them within 12 months. So he is well within the rules and i'm sure he does enough $$$$ hosting his sites that his host shouldn't have an issue with it either.

btw you say 3 days worth of sales isn't worth it, Well yes but what if he emails that list every week, or perhaps once every 3 days or whatever. Not saying he should, but ummm why not isn't it free money??

Sammy

why not email the list every day? or twice a day? or every 10 mins? or every 5 mins?

Wake up fool, legislation is moving AGAINST spam, not for it.

I doubt spamming the list every week would produce the same results, the first time would make the most, less the second time, less after that and so on.

I'd say there probably laying in bed thinking "Thats 20 million emails that will be sent out while I sleep, thats another $2000 i'll make while I sleep and damn that ROCKS, they feel good and they sleep just fine"

Its funny how inpersonal the internet really is. It creates a barrier between you and the customer, I mean don't you think it impersonal that we talk about our site visitors as TRAFFIC, and how we talk about our customers as SIGNUPS, and our LOYAL customers as RECURRING!!!! Kinda funny when you think about it ;) But really, its so inpersonal spammers dont' care about whats on the other end of the email, they blast out the emails and then they check there signups the next day. If there signups are good they feel good and can sleep just fine.

I'm not a spammer but my sites all contain porn that 100,000's of kids have accessed from my sites since 1996 and I don't feel the slightest bit bad about that. Why I dunno, they just don't feel real and it probably hasn't hurt them anyways and i've got better things to worry about in life than that anyways.

Emailing kids is BAD, and there should be something setup to protect them from this email spamming of porn sites cause thats just really terrible to open an email have have a big black cock ramming up some girls ass right there infront of the kid of whatever age. I hope they work out some way of protecting them, perhaps they could register a kids email list that never gets sent porn or spam at all or something. who knows its a problem thats going to become huge over the next 2-3 years.

Sammy

hit me up on aim
screenname = egotistical

any RESPONSIBLE parent that doesn't want their kid to access my site simply puts adult blocks on the kids computer and presto - no more sleazydream. Spammers though design their emails specifically to get around this for some strange reason thinking kids are the ones who need to buy their porn site. That's the difference. A responsible parent's child would never see sleazydream, but that same kid would see a dozen porn spams in his email account.

people come looking for my site and WANT porn.
Spammer go looking for people who don't want to see porn.
that's the difference

Hrmm, yes I can see how that could become a real pain in the ass and take up a lot of time.

Arent there sites that offer programs for this?

I remember seeing a few that were like $20 for 2 mil optin or something, i dont know the first thing on emailing but wish i did.

Im sure theres a way to find people that dont mind recieving offers for porn, and if it was a cheap enough program, i would do it.

I see a few posts up about a guy wants $10,000 to do spamming??? OMFG!!!

Id pay like $50 tops to test conversions, if it didnt work id never try again, and if it costed anymore than that i wouldnt try it to begin with, lol

Anyone know of some cheap sites that have the lists and will do the emails for me ... and make sure they are dbl opt?

Well, I don't believe in harvester spam either. I was saying it was okay in quiets case. Which is past customers all adults obviously, and all like porn.

Which makes them even more okay than an opt in.

and Sleazy, an hour? Come on.

If a spammer send me just a penny for every time I had to decide whether or not to delete the message I'd make good money looking at spam and wouldn't have a problem with it. As it is they just rob me of about an HOUR a day.

some days are more than an hour. Try having your email on a site that gets traffic like mine - fucking spam bots pick it up like crazy. hundreds and hundreds of spams a day. If someone walks up to me at internext and tells me they're a spammer I'm likly to punch them.

as well as I know spam works. worked and will work. but the majority of spammers work with illegal content. this is the problem. bigger problem, than spam itself

I think

something is being setup,LAWS...People shouldnt have to go out of their way putting filters on their childrens email boxes for your spamming ass should they?... I purposely dont filter my email so I get spam,then I email the sponsor and tell them that if the account isnt termed I'll be outting them on GFY,hahahahahahaha etc etc for harvesting spammers ... Yup they probably just give the person a new account but I just inconvienced a spammers day :winkwink:

Sumed up nicely by sleazy,legislation is moving towards ending spam not supporting it

So True

Thats why now is the time to Act!

no one i know would do that... if you had lists already and they were good opt in lists that converted i could find someone to mail them for free... depending on the situation of course