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xbizdon · 04-09-2009, 07:27 PM

XBIZ NEWS: TeenRevenue Founder Slaps RedTube With $40M Suit

Kevin Cammarata, TeenRevenue's founder, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the operators of RedTube.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

Carmine Raguso · 04-09-2009, 07:27 PM

And here I am

fris · 04-09-2009, 07:29 PM

I guess thats one way to survive todays economy, sue a tube site

sicone · 04-09-2009, 07:29 PM

Oh.. I thought that was a April fools joke...

bufferover · 04-09-2009, 07:32 PM

Pop corns from TeenRevenue

tabasco · 04-09-2009, 07:35 PM

Well played. Let's hope this sets a precedent and encourages more programs to sue.

TMM_John · 04-09-2009, 07:36 PM

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jmcb420 · 04-09-2009, 07:38 PM

40 Million.

DAMN.

cherrylula · 04-09-2009, 07:39 PM

way to go teen revenue...

SBJ · 04-09-2009, 07:41 PM

very good news!

Socks · 04-09-2009, 07:47 PM

DaddyHalbucks · 04-09-2009, 08:12 PM

This is why the courts exist, use them.

brassmonkey · 04-09-2009, 08:14 PM

damn lot of cash

SomeCreep · 04-09-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbizdon

XBIZ NEWS: TeenRevenue Founder Slaps RedTube With $40M Suit

Kevin Cammarata, TeenRevenue's founder, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the operators of RedTube.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

When I think of RedTube, I think of "copyright infringement." If Teenrevenue can't sue for that because of "technical problems," then damn, good luck.

XPays · 04-09-2009, 08:16 PM

interesting

notoldschool · 04-09-2009, 08:17 PM

This should be good.

WiredGuy · 04-09-2009, 08:17 PM

Very interesting how below-cost competition, loss leaders and unfair competition are the main points instead of copyright infringement. Will be good to watch this case unfold.
WG

04-09-2009, 08:17 PM

damn they must be loaded. i should be selling teens, fuck

DaddyHalbucks · 04-09-2009, 08:19 PM

"Those advertisers that also are named include Bangbros.com; Utherverse, which owns RedLightCenter; Generation Financial, which owns Videosz.com; Fling.com; SexSearch; Lalib Limitada, which owns LiveJasmin.com; FriendFinder Networks and Brazzers."

It looks like sleeping with a dog is producing fleas for some of its sponsors..

mynameisjim · 04-09-2009, 08:33 PM

The legal angle is very interesting, it actually seems like a much better case then copyright. I don't think the fact that the videos are stolen will go unnoticed by the judge even though it's not the issue of the case. But when it comes to issuing motions and such they usually think about stuff like that.

mikeyddddd · 04-09-2009, 08:34 PM

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XBIZ was unable to reach operators of RedTube by post time.

After Shock Media · 04-09-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Very interesting how below-cost competition, loss leaders and unfair competition are the main points instead of copyright infringement. Will be good to watch this case unfold.
WG

I had spoken with several people over the last two years and semi hinted around here in assorted threads about using the California unfair business practice laws instead of copyright in such a case. Now I am very curious of the outcome.

st0ned · 04-09-2009, 08:37 PM

Way to step up to the plate Teen Revenue.

Splum · 04-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Haha "unfair business practices" yeah that'll go far. I think TeenRevenue is simply hoping that Redtube doesnt show up to the court case and they win by default lol, either that or they want to make Redtube spend money on a lawyer. This lawsuit will go nowhere mark my wise words.

After Shock Media · 04-09-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Haha "unfair business practices" yeah that'll go far. I think TeenRevenue is simply hoping that Redtube doesnt show up to the court case and they win by default lol, either that or they want to make Redtube spend money on a lawyer. This lawsuit will go nowhere mark my wise words.

A whole lot has been done with this law legal wise in the state for a very long time. Not about to say it is a win for teen revenue, I will however say this will take awhile to deal with and if it does not end in a settlement I see TR at least being compensated in some fashion.

Luscious Media · 04-09-2009, 08:58 PM

It'll be interesting what happens when their "advertisers" run for cover. The price for ad spots on tube sites just took a nose dive...no?

Zorgman · 04-09-2009, 09:18 PM

Interesting that their office is in Hong Kong.

Quote:

- Taken from wikipedia.org

Hong Kong
Pursuant to the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance (Cap 390), it is an offence to publish an obscene article. Publication covers distribution, circulation, selling, hiring, giving, or lending the obscene article. Distribution by email would fall within the definition of distribution, as would the placing of an obscene article on a web site. It should also be noted that distribution does not require any element of financial gain to be present. The definition of article includes "anything consisting of or containing material to be read or looked at or both read and looked at, any sound recording, and any film, video-tape, disc or other record of a picture or pictures." The article will be considered obscene if, by reason by its obscenity, "it is not suitable to be published by any person." Obscenity includes "violence, depravity and repulsiveness". The penalty for this offence is up to three years imprisonment and a fine of up to HK$1,000,000.

Related Cases:

On January 27, 2008, The Hong Kong Police Force arrested suspects who were accused of uploading pornographic images after a multi-billion entertainment company filed a complaint about these photos available on the internet having been fabricated and might charge the offender for defamation.[citation needed]

WiredGuy · 04-09-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I had spoken with several people over the last two years and semi hinted around here in assorted threads about using the California unfair business practice laws instead of copyright in such a case. Now I am very curious of the outcome.

Likewise, I'd like to see how this Cali law will be used for this.
WG

OY · 04-09-2009, 09:26 PM

Very interesting indeed. I will follow this very closely.

JD · 04-09-2009, 09:27 PM

i bet it'll settle out of court

Spudstr · 04-09-2009, 09:32 PM

What constitute unlawful business act or practice?

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A business act or practice is unlawful if it violates any law. Unlawful claims includes violation of numerous laws and regulations existing at the various levels of government including, state statutes, state regulations, local ordinances, prior case law and standard of professional conduct.

So I am betting they are leveraging the DMCA into this unfair business practice and claiming unfair competition because of it.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_605525_18.html

Si · 04-09-2009, 09:33 PM

Strike one!

Barefootsies · 04-09-2009, 09:36 PM

Bravo.

TidalWave · 04-09-2009, 10:04 PM

Don't forget that everyone that was named will have to spend money on lawyers now too

gideongallery · 04-09-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr

What constitute unlawful business act or practice?

So I am betting they are leveraging the DMCA into this unfair business practice and claiming unfair competition because of it.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_605525_18.html

ok explain this to me
the DMCA gives them immunity from copyright infringement claims
ergo they can be guilty of violating copyright law
how exactly does DMCA get used to meet the definition you just listed.

Iron Fist · 04-09-2009, 10:34 PM

Holy motherfucker.... this is awesome on so many levels. Way to go TeenRevenue...

FreeHugeMovies · 04-09-2009, 10:48 PM

Good for Kevin

Paolo · 04-09-2009, 11:43 PM

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Very interesting indeed. I will follow this very closely.

Hey Oystein! When am I getting invited to that great home game you got going at holdem.. Its was nice seeing you in Pheonix my friend

Doctor Dre · 04-09-2009, 11:54 PM

Good job, I hope they can get something out of this.

CashGordon · 04-10-2009, 12:11 AM

Well done

hypedough · 04-10-2009, 12:19 AM

Good. Finally. Fuck yes.

Barefootsies · 04-10-2009, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWave

Don't forget that everyone that was named will have to spend money on lawyers now too

Sweet justice.

kane · 04-10-2009, 01:31 AM

If teen revenue somehow pulls off a win with this case it will rock the internet as a whole. Since this hasn't been done before they will be a precedence setting case you and know the other tubes can expect similar and even sites like Youtube could find themselves with similar actions against them.

xxxjay · 04-10-2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbizdon

XBIZ NEWS: TeenRevenue Founder Slaps RedTube With $40M Suit

Kevin Cammarata, TeenRevenue's founder, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the operators of RedTube.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

I'm all for it.

CybermedAndy · 04-10-2009, 01:39 AM

Wow..dying to see how this turns out

too bad it will be tied up in court for the next 2 years

TeenCat · 04-10-2009, 01:48 AM

clap clap and thumbsup for http://teenrevenue.com , now who will be next? go get them!

Matt 26z · 04-10-2009, 01:56 AM

I'm on the fence here.

If this were a copyright infringement case, fair enough. But this lawsuit apparently is over one company's decision to give something away for free, and another company upset because it allegedly damaged the paid sales of their similar product offering.

This is like Match.com suing PlentyOfFish.com for being free and thus hurting their sales.

I looked at a few pages of videos in niches I am familiar with, and they all seem to be sponsor promos with a banner below or to the right, watermarked vids (uploaded by sponsors?) or very old content that could have been licensed on the cheap (the type of garbage you see in "500 hours of video for $99!" deals).

But I think this quote is very telling; "Cammarata has faced a substantial loss of customers and revenue, leading him to sell his business at an unfavorable price."

Sounds like a cash grab in a final gasp of air to me.

Snake Doctor · 04-10-2009, 02:04 AM

May I be the first to ruin this circle jerk by saying

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you fucking kidding me?

What's next, is the Wall Street Journal going to sue all the other newspapers for not charging for their online versions?

If a judge awards even $1 in damages to TR for this suit, I'll shit in my hat.

From where I sit, it appears the whole purpose of this suit is to drag Redtube's host and advertisers into the suit, costing them time and money, so that it won't be worth it to do business with Redtube.

They'll never win on the merits, but if they can get past the MTD, they may cause Redtube to lose some of their sponsors or hosting.

This suit was filed for reasons other than winning the suit itself.

Barefootsies · 04-10-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

This suit was filed for reasons other than winning the suit itself.

You are one smart cookie tootsie.

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