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xbizdon 04-09-2009 07:27 PM

XBIZ NEWS: RedTube Sued for $40 Million
 
XBIZ NEWS: TeenRevenue Founder Slaps RedTube With $40M Suit

Kevin Cammarata, TeenRevenue's founder, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the operators of RedTube.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

Carmine Raguso 04-09-2009 07:27 PM

And here I am

fris 04-09-2009 07:29 PM

I guess thats one way to survive todays economy, sue a tube site

sicone 04-09-2009 07:29 PM

Oh.. I thought that was a April fools joke...

bufferover 04-09-2009 07:32 PM

Pop corns from TeenRevenue

tabasco 04-09-2009 07:35 PM

Well played. Let's hope this sets a precedent and encourages more programs to sue.

TMM_John 04-09-2009 07:36 PM

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Carmine Raguso 04-09-2009 07:38 PM

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jmcb420 04-09-2009 07:38 PM

40 Million.

DAMN.

cherrylula 04-09-2009 07:39 PM

way to go teen revenue...

SBJ 04-09-2009 07:41 PM

very good news! :thumbsup

Socks 04-09-2009 07:47 PM

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DaddyHalbucks 04-09-2009 08:12 PM

This is why the courts exist, use them.

brassmonkey 04-09-2009 08:14 PM

damn lot of cash:2 cents:

SomeCreep 04-09-2009 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbizdon (Post 15728296)
XBIZ NEWS: TeenRevenue Founder Slaps RedTube With $40M Suit

Kevin Cammarata, TeenRevenue's founder, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the operators of RedTube.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

When I think of RedTube, I think of "copyright infringement." If Teenrevenue can't sue for that because of "technical problems," then damn, good luck.

XPays 04-09-2009 08:16 PM

interesting

notoldschool 04-09-2009 08:17 PM

This should be good.

WiredGuy 04-09-2009 08:17 PM

Very interesting how below-cost competition, loss leaders and unfair competition are the main points instead of copyright infringement. Will be good to watch this case unfold.
WG

teh ghey 04-09-2009 08:17 PM

damn they must be loaded. i should be selling teens, fuck

DaddyHalbucks 04-09-2009 08:19 PM

"Those advertisers that also are named include Bangbros.com; Utherverse, which owns RedLightCenter; Generation Financial, which owns Videosz.com; Fling.com; SexSearch; Lalib Limitada, which owns LiveJasmin.com; FriendFinder Networks and Brazzers."

It looks like sleeping with a dog is producing fleas for some of its sponsors..

mynameisjim 04-09-2009 08:33 PM

The legal angle is very interesting, it actually seems like a much better case then copyright. I don't think the fact that the videos are stolen will go unnoticed by the judge even though it's not the issue of the case. But when it comes to issuing motions and such they usually think about stuff like that.

mikeyddddd 04-09-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

XBIZ was unable to reach operators of RedTube by post time.

After Shock Media 04-09-2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 15728425)
Very interesting how below-cost competition, loss leaders and unfair competition are the main points instead of copyright infringement. Will be good to watch this case unfold.
WG

I had spoken with several people over the last two years and semi hinted around here in assorted threads about using the California unfair business practice laws instead of copyright in such a case. Now I am very curious of the outcome.

st0ned 04-09-2009 08:37 PM

Way to step up to the plate Teen Revenue. :thumbsup

Splum 04-09-2009 08:41 PM

Haha "unfair business practices" yeah that'll go far. I think TeenRevenue is simply hoping that Redtube doesnt show up to the court case and they win by default lol, either that or they want to make Redtube spend money on a lawyer. This lawsuit will go nowhere mark my wise words.

After Shock Media 04-09-2009 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 15728476)
Haha "unfair business practices" yeah that'll go far. I think TeenRevenue is simply hoping that Redtube doesnt show up to the court case and they win by default lol, either that or they want to make Redtube spend money on a lawyer. This lawsuit will go nowhere mark my wise words.

A whole lot has been done with this law legal wise in the state for a very long time. Not about to say it is a win for teen revenue, I will however say this will take awhile to deal with and if it does not end in a settlement I see TR at least being compensated in some fashion.

Luscious Media 04-09-2009 08:58 PM

It'll be interesting what happens when their "advertisers" run for cover. The price for ad spots on tube sites just took a nose dive...no?

Zorgman 04-09-2009 09:18 PM

Interesting that their office is in Hong Kong.

Quote:

- Taken from wikipedia.org

Hong Kong
Pursuant to the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance (Cap 390), it is an offence to publish an obscene article. Publication covers distribution, circulation, selling, hiring, giving, or lending the obscene article. Distribution by email would fall within the definition of distribution, as would the placing of an obscene article on a web site. It should also be noted that distribution does not require any element of financial gain to be present. The definition of article includes "anything consisting of or containing material to be read or looked at or both read and looked at, any sound recording, and any film, video-tape, disc or other record of a picture or pictures." The article will be considered obscene if, by reason by its obscenity, "it is not suitable to be published by any person." Obscenity includes "violence, depravity and repulsiveness". The penalty for this offence is up to three years imprisonment and a fine of up to HK$1,000,000.

Related Cases:

On January 27, 2008, The Hong Kong Police Force arrested suspects who were accused of uploading pornographic images after a multi-billion entertainment company filed a complaint about these photos available on the internet having been fabricated and might charge the offender for defamation.[citation needed]


WiredGuy 04-09-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 15728466)
I had spoken with several people over the last two years and semi hinted around here in assorted threads about using the California unfair business practice laws instead of copyright in such a case. Now I am very curious of the outcome.

Likewise, I'd like to see how this Cali law will be used for this.
WG

OY 04-09-2009 09:26 PM

Very interesting indeed. I will follow this very closely.

:2 cents:

JD 04-09-2009 09:27 PM

i bet it'll settle out of court

Spudstr 04-09-2009 09:32 PM

What constitute unlawful business act or practice?
Quote:

A business act or practice is unlawful if it violates any law. Unlawful claims includes violation of numerous laws and regulations existing at the various levels of government including, state statutes, state regulations, local ordinances, prior case law and standard of professional conduct.
So I am betting they are leveraging the DMCA into this unfair business practice and claiming unfair competition because of it.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_605525_18.html

Si 04-09-2009 09:33 PM

Strike one!

Barefootsies 04-09-2009 09:36 PM

Bravo.

:2 cents:

TidalWave 04-09-2009 10:04 PM

Don't forget that everyone that was named will have to spend money on lawyers now too :)

gideongallery 04-09-2009 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 15728566)
What constitute unlawful business act or practice?


So I am betting they are leveraging the DMCA into this unfair business practice and claiming unfair competition because of it.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_605525_18.html

ok explain this to me
the DMCA gives them immunity from copyright infringement claims
ergo they can be guilty of violating copyright law
how exactly does DMCA get used to meet the definition you just listed.

Iron Fist 04-09-2009 10:34 PM

Holy motherfucker.... this is awesome on so many levels. Way to go TeenRevenue...

FreeHugeMovies 04-09-2009 10:48 PM

Good for Kevin

Paolo 04-09-2009 11:43 PM

Quote:

Very interesting indeed. I will follow this very closely.

Hey Oystein! When am I getting invited to that great home game you got going at holdem.. Its was nice seeing you in Pheonix my friend

Doctor Dre 04-09-2009 11:54 PM

Good job, I hope they can get something out of this.

CashGordon 04-10-2009 12:11 AM

Well done

hypedough 04-10-2009 12:19 AM

Good. Finally. Fuck yes.

Barefootsies 04-10-2009 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TidalWave (Post 15728604)
Don't forget that everyone that was named will have to spend money on lawyers now too :)

Sweet justice.
:thumbsup

kane 04-10-2009 01:31 AM

If teen revenue somehow pulls off a win with this case it will rock the internet as a whole. Since this hasn't been done before they will be a precedence setting case you and know the other tubes can expect similar and even sites like Youtube could find themselves with similar actions against them.

xxxjay 04-10-2009 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbizdon (Post 15728296)
XBIZ NEWS: TeenRevenue Founder Slaps RedTube With $40M Suit

Kevin Cammarata, TeenRevenue's founder, has filed a $40 million lawsuit against the operators of RedTube.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/106980

I'm all for it.

CybermedAndy 04-10-2009 01:39 AM

Wow..dying to see how this turns out

too bad it will be tied up in court for the next 2 years

TeenCat 04-10-2009 01:48 AM

clap clap and thumbsup for http://teenrevenue.com , now who will be next? go get them! :thumbsup

Matt 26z 04-10-2009 01:56 AM

I'm on the fence here.

If this were a copyright infringement case, fair enough. But this lawsuit apparently is over one company's decision to give something away for free, and another company upset because it allegedly damaged the paid sales of their similar product offering.

This is like Match.com suing PlentyOfFish.com for being free and thus hurting their sales.

I looked at a few pages of videos in niches I am familiar with, and they all seem to be sponsor promos with a banner below or to the right, watermarked vids (uploaded by sponsors?) or very old content that could have been licensed on the cheap (the type of garbage you see in "500 hours of video for $99!" deals).

But I think this quote is very telling; "Cammarata has faced a substantial loss of customers and revenue, leading him to sell his business at an unfavorable price."

Sounds like a cash grab in a final gasp of air to me.

Snake Doctor 04-10-2009 02:04 AM

May I be the first to ruin this circle jerk by saying

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you fucking kidding me?

What's next, is the Wall Street Journal going to sue all the other newspapers for not charging for their online versions?

If a judge awards even $1 in damages to TR for this suit, I'll shit in my hat.

From where I sit, it appears the whole purpose of this suit is to drag Redtube's host and advertisers into the suit, costing them time and money, so that it won't be worth it to do business with Redtube.

They'll never win on the merits, but if they can get past the MTD, they may cause Redtube to lose some of their sponsors or hosting.

This suit was filed for reasons other than winning the suit itself. :2 cents:

Barefootsies 04-10-2009 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 15728984)
This suit was filed for reasons other than winning the suit itself. :2 cents:

You are one smart cookie tootsie.


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