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Old 12-04-2009, 11:51 AM   #1
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Why they want Americans stupid

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help me understand, who are *they* in this particular case?

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help me understand, who are *they* in this particular case?

It's always the same group. Have you missed or ignored the fact that everything he is selling there is based on lies?

Document Reveals U.N.'s Goal of Becoming Rule-Maker in Global Environmental Talks
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577827,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...IISDreport.pdf

Bombshell UN Documents Outline Plan To Use Climategate Crooks In “End Run” Around National Sovereignty
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un...l-sovereignty/

California is the model for the US. Bankrupt. Arnold here is telling you how he did it while acting as if he's doing good.
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You mean to highlight states with worst test scores?



New meaning to "red state"?
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It's always the same group. Have you missed or ignored the fact that everything he is selling there is based on lies?

Document Reveals U.N.'s Goal of Becoming Rule-Maker in Global Environmental Talks
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577827,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...IISDreport.pdf

Bombshell UN Documents Outline Plan To Use Climategate Crooks In “End Run” Around National Sovereignty
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-un...l-sovereignty/

California is the model for the US. Bankrupt. Arnold here is telling you how he did it while acting as if he's doing good.
so let me get this straight, so i understand your premise. *they* are the UN? and they orchestrated arnold schwartzenegger being elected governor via the largest recall election in american history (by # of voters voting) so that he can bankrupt california which is part of the UN's diabolical plan of creating a new world order?

is that what you are saying here?
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You mean to highlight states with worst test scores?



New meaning to "red state"?
are these the results for the driver's license test?
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It's a conglomerate of education factors, such as $ spent per pupil, if the state has any sort of aid, a headstart program etc.. from cfed.org.
Granted it's not a perfect map, but what is?
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so let me get this straight, so i understand your premise. *they* are the UN? and they orchestrated arnold schwartzenegger being elected governor via the largest recall election in american history (by # of voters voting) so that he can bankrupt california which is part of the UN's diabolical plan of creating a new world order?

is that what you are saying here?
Just like they orchestrated many others including Obama.

Arnold's Nazi Problem
http://www.slate.com/id/2086742/
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Just like they orchestrated many others including Obama.

Arnold's Nazi Problem
http://www.slate.com/id/2086742/
it all makes perfect sense now. i wish i had the patience to follow-through on a several hundred year plan. i can barely hit my 5 year goals, these guys are knocking it out of the park on their new world order plan.
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it all makes perfect sense now. i wish i had the patience to follow-through on a several hundred year plan. i can barely hit my 5 year goals, these guys are knocking it out of the park on their new world order plan.
No they aren't



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3 December 2009, by Jennifer Harper (The Washington Times)
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No they aren't

well, see, now i am confused again. so the plan is not going according to plan? no new world order any time soon eh.

that's good right?
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well, see, now i am confused again. so the plan is not going according to plan? no new world order any time soon eh.

that's good right?
They are ratcheting up their propaganda as shown in the first post with other stooges. All the crooks are having to take off their masks. Yes it's great it is being derailed but as you pointed out this has been hundreds of years in the making and they aren't going to just give up.
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- Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies

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- Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

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Dyna mo thinks a communist world government can be created overnight. He must have such a simple mind.
at least i can think for myself and have self-confidence such that i don't need to come to gfy to call people idiots and say i told you so, all so i can feel better about myself.
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help me understand, who are *they* in this particular case?

Im more worried about who the " Whole Family " is..

Why is it always fun for the " Whole Family " what about my family.

why should I bring the " Whole Family " I can barley afford my own.
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Holy crap I am typically far from just calling people names but shit; Onlywebcam you are a certifieable fucking nutcase who is attempting to string together a masterplan to help make sense of a very chaotic and ever changing world where not only assorted people gain and lose power every day, events happen and on top of that everyone is allowed their free will to vocalize their thoughts on an ideal world.
If anything your and others master plan of some giant conspiracy theory built on hundreds of years of planning by generations on generations of not only families but newly indoctrinated recently wealthy people who for no special reason said WTF sure I will join your club, despite any personal ego's or intelligence. The whole thing reeks of something very similar in concept, something just as hard to prove or disprove also followed blindly by masses of typically weak minded individuals, and that is religious conviction.

You have your leaders, your clues, your books, and of course your mountains of youtube evidence that everyone but you select few somehow just can not get. Those that do not believe are akin to heathens, idiots, or part of "them, they, or it". You have a blind need to preach to anyone that will even listen to a single gibberish sentence. Rarely will you have thoughts of your own, like robots you are only able to spew forth quotes from others to back up even more evidence and thoughts from others. Nothing more than a fanatic on a soap box screaming the world is about to end, while citing both newspaper clippings and passages from the bible.
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Holy crap I am typically far from just calling people names but shit; Onlywebcam you are a certifieable fucking nutcase who is attempting to string together a masterplan to help make sense of a very chaotic and ever changing world where not only assorted people gain and lose power every day, events happen and on top of that everyone is allowed their free will to vocalize their thoughts on an ideal world.
If anything your and others master plan of some giant conspiracy theory built on hundreds of years of planning by generations on generations of not only families but newly indoctrinated recently wealthy people who for no special reason said WTF sure I will join your club, despite any personal ego's or intelligence. The whole thing reeks of something very similar in concept, something just as hard to prove or disprove also followed blindly by masses of typically weak minded individuals, and that is religious conviction.

You have your leaders, your clues, your books, and of course your mountains of youtube evidence that everyone but you select few somehow just can not get. Those that do not believe are akin to heathens, idiots, or part of "them, they, or it". You have a blind need to preach to anyone that will even listen to a single gibberish sentence. Rarely will you have thoughts of your own, like robots you are only able to spew forth quotes from others to back up even more evidence and thoughts from others. Nothing more than a fanatic on a soap box screaming the world is about to end, while citing both newspaper clippings and passages from the bible.
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Is the world getting warmer by a natural cycle or is it because we have abused it or a combination of both?

Crap shoot. So the real question is what are we going to do about it. Continue as we are or defend ourselves?

Both answers have consequences.
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Is the world getting warmer by a natural cycle or is it because we have abused it or a combination of both?
Well, seems to me that's the big lie right there...

From all this stuff coming out in these "climategate" emails , the world is infact cooling... for the last 10 years or more.

They've been cooking the books with "value added data" and the source codes from their programs and software is showing comments like " here's the trick to Hide the decline " etc

There's a lot of money to be made via the global warming scare.

I don't know what to think about climate change, but the fact that the science seems doctored makes me wonder what's really going on behind the scenes.

What the news somehow is leaving out of these reports regarding the people involved with the scandal is that they are all related the the UN climate research institute, this isn't just a case of a small set of scientists lying and doctoring data, it's the scientists that publish research for the UN and affiliated government organizations

Jon Stewart had a good skit about it ,really funny LOL!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FgPUpIBWGp8

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Al Gore, Maurice Strong, Obama’s involvement in Chicago Climate Exchange—the rest of the story

The “privately-owned” Chicago Climate Exchange is heavily influenced by Obama cohorts Al Gore and Maurice Strong.

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And still just others opinions, youtube clips, and links to more conspiracy sites.
Somehow I would think those in the know about a new world order which they can not even really define let alone say what they would do if it all was indeed true and everyone did believe them, would at very least be intellectual free thinkers capable of putting together their own thoughts and words on such subjects.

Then again you quote people like Paul Watson who is not only a known criminal, but someone who the very same government and people have labeled a terrorist.

Not sure why you all are here. You know the real truth, you know what is going down. Every piece of the puzzle you get and can fit it in place instantly. Yet you post others thoughts on a porno board, more than likely pretending to be in the business at any serious level for most of you (I am sure there are a couple delusional semi successful people too), when you all should be moving to some safe haven and setting up a 100% off the grid protected compound for when the world does turn the way you say it will.
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It's undeniable the world is getting warmer. Melting glaciers, ice caps at the poles and rising temperatures. The doubt is why. If it's human abuse we can put it right, if it's not we could be in for a far harder ride.

Dealing with changes in the world climate we can't control will mean spending far more for far longer to protect ourselves against the outcome.
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It's undeniable the world is getting warmer.

did ya miss my post above ?

the world is NOT getting warmer lol.... that's what this whole scandal is about , they've been lying to us all for years to " hide the decline in global temperature".

Some people are saying they are lying to us because we still have to work on saving the planet, green power etc whether or not the threat is there today, others say it's because they want to create a global taxation system, bankrupt industrialized nations to transfer wealth and power around the globe as the US crumbles...

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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And still just others opinions, youtube clips, and links to more conspiracy sites.
Somehow I would think those in the know about a new world order which they can not even really define let alone say what they would do if it all was indeed true and everyone did believe them, would at very least be intellectual free thinkers capable of putting together their own thoughts and words on such subjects.

Then again you quote people like Paul Watson who is not only a known criminal, but someone who the very same government and people have labeled a terrorist.

Not sure why you all are here. You know the real truth, you know what is going down. Every piece of the puzzle you get and can fit it in place instantly. Yet you post others thoughts on a porno board, more than likely pretending to be in the business at any serious level for most of you (I am sure there are a couple delusional semi successful people too), when you all should be moving to some safe haven and setting up a 100% off the grid protected compound for when the world does turn the way you say it will.
Those quotes are from people associated with this movement.. As in that "terrorist" you mention YOU are agreeing with. Get it?
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did ya miss my post above ?

the world is NOT getting warmer lol.... that's what this whole scandal is about , they've been lying to us all for years to " hide the decline in global temperature".

Some people are saying they are lying to us because we still have to work on saving the planet, green power etc whether or not the threat is there today, others say it's because they want to create a global taxation system, bankrupt industrialized nations to transfer wealth and power around the globe as the US crumbles...

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I don't need to listen to the experts. I can tell by the ski slopes needing artificial snow more, summers getting hotter and many more indicators I can see. I suggest you get out your tin foil hat.

Amazing how people can turn blind the moment they are told to stop wasting resources and start paying for those already wasted. Sticking your head in the sand does not make a problem go away.
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Holy crap I am typically far from just calling people names but shit; Onlywebcam you are a certifieable fucking nutcase who is attempting to string together a masterplan to help make sense of a very chaotic and ever changing world where not only assorted people gain and lose power every day, events happen and on top of that everyone is allowed their free will to vocalize their thoughts on an ideal world.
If anything your and others master plan of some giant conspiracy theory built on hundreds of years of planning by generations on generations of not only families but newly indoctrinated recently wealthy people who for no special reason said WTF sure I will join your club, despite any personal ego's or intelligence. The whole thing reeks of something very similar in concept, something just as hard to prove or disprove also followed blindly by masses of typically weak minded individuals, and that is religious conviction.

You have your leaders, your clues, your books, and of course your mountains of youtube evidence that everyone but you select few somehow just can not get. Those that do not believe are akin to heathens, idiots, or part of "them, they, or it". You have a blind need to preach to anyone that will even listen to a single gibberish sentence. Rarely will you have thoughts of your own, like robots you are only able to spew forth quotes from others to back up even more evidence and thoughts from others. Nothing more than a fanatic on a soap box screaming the world is about to end, while citing both newspaper clippings and passages from the bible.
Nice summary. Thanks.
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It's undeniable the world is getting warmer. Melting glaciers, ice caps at the poles and rising temperatures.
Actually it is not undeniable. Even the basic warming trend has not been proven. Basically everyone has become completely convinced of something for which there is no basis on fact whatsoever.
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I don't need to listen to the experts. I can tell by the ski slopes needing artificial snow more, summers getting hotter and many more indicators I can see. I suggest you get out your tin foil hat.
That is sheer nonsense. I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggest it is getting colder. Personal observations of local trends in weather can hardly be considered conclusive proof of global climate change. That is absurd.
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That is sheer nonsense. I have seen plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggest it is getting colder. Personal observations of local trends in weather can hardly be considered conclusive proof of global climate change. That is absurd.
Are the ice caps, glaciers and deserts getting larger or smaller?

Nothing local about them.

You are obviously one of the "Conspiracy Theory" brigade who think everything is a world plan to take over everything. Good luck with your theories.
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Are the ice caps, glaciers and deserts getting larger or smaller?
You saw all of that out your window?
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Are the ice caps, glaciers and deserts getting larger or smaller?

Nothing local about them.

You are obviously one of the "Conspiracy Theory" brigade who think everything is a world plan to take over everything. Good luck with your theories.
Been ignoring you Paul (hows cancer) since I did not want the thread to fall into a climate change argument.

I also agree the climate is changing, I also am sure it is a combination of events, partly from the Earth and partly from Man. Those that think man can not alter the climate has lead a very sheltered life. It has gotten much better after the 70's compared to say the 30's. Then again in the early 1900's and before the amount of wreckage that could be accomplished even on small scales were mind blowing.

Im my area when the gold just got to had to get to, hundred of millions of dollars of it produced in days,24/7 which has its own complexe sey of chemicals that not only poliute the land for decades or longer - nothing grows and if it does it is unedible and poisonous. Nobody stopped there, while they were mining the gold they did find huge copper veins. This caused a major copper boom, one that was so bad most vegetation was dead or in the process of dieing. Majority of all drinking water and even the aquifer had been polluted. They paid workers extra just to live here because the smells were so strong from the chemical processes they were using that it could actually be smelled close to 50 miles away. That is just one small town in a time of railroads and horses. Man can do plenty, since the only real time that matters to us is the time our race uses
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