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Old 12-05-2009, 06:42 AM   #51
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:09 AM   #52
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They do it because God told them to kill every non-believer. They aren't assumed crazy/evil people, they straight up are crazy and most are evil.
Actually most of these crazys are uneducated victums themselves. Taken advantage not by God talking to them but by corrupt and evil Mullahs hijacking a religion to maniuplate these people with nothing into hating and carrying out nothing more than a political agenda in the name of God.

Sad but throughout history this has happend time and time again.
Not just with people of the Muslim Faith but many Faiths.

Take someone with nothing and you can hijack them, their religion and make them do and think the most unbelievable things imaginable..

The solution is education.. How we do that is unknown.
If the Muslim world only had a true leader much like Cathloics Have a Pope it would certainly help.

Its just a disturbing pattern..
Im one who actually believes the only thing that can stop these terrorists is the religion itself and the eductaion of it. From the leaders and not the hijackers of religion and culture in these barbaric societies.

The answer is education and leadership.
To say it simply someone really needs to step the fuck up...
In that society.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:27 AM   #53
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in general studies of suicide bombers and terrorists show then to be from the highest educated and well-off in their societies.

violence is part of "politics" for 99% of the world, has always been and will be. our relatively peaceful method of solving political solutions is a small blip in history.

i don't like violent methods, but can't understand the shock when violence erupts in parts of the world where violence is a common political expression.

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Actually most of these crazys are uneducated victums themselves. Taken advantage not by God talking to them but by corrupt and evil Mullahs hijacking a religion to maniuplate these people with nothing into hating and carrying out nothing more than a political agenda in the name of God.

Sad but throughout history this has happend time and time again.
Not just with people of the Muslim Faith but many Faiths.

Take someone with nothing and you can hijack them, their religion and make them do and think the most unbelievable things imaginable..

The solution is education.. How we do that is unknown.
If the Muslim world only had a true leader much like Cathloics Have a Pope it would certainly help.

Its just a disturbing pattern..
Im one who actually believes the only thing that can stop these terrorists is the religion itself and the eductaion of it. From the leaders and not the hijackers of religion and culture in these barbaric societies.

The answer is education and leadership.
To say it simply someone really needs to step the fuck up...
In that society.
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:30 AM   #54
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Actually most of these crazys are uneducated victums themselves. Taken advantage not by God talking to them but by corrupt and evil Mullahs hijacking a religion to maniuplate these people with nothing into hating and carrying out nothing more than a political agenda in the name of God.

Sad but throughout history this has happend time and time again.
Not just with people of the Muslim Faith but many Faiths.

Take someone with nothing and you can hijack them, their religion and make them do and think the most unbelievable things imaginable..

The solution is education.. How we do that is unknown.
If the Muslim world only had a true leader much like Cathloics Have a Pope it would certainly help.

Its just a disturbing pattern..
Im one who actually believes the only thing that can stop these terrorists is the religion itself and the eductaion of it. From the leaders and not the hijackers of religion and culture in these barbaric societies.

The answer is education and leadership.
To say it simply someone really needs to step the fuck up...
In that society.
Personally, I feel all religions follow a disturbing pattern. I truly believe all of humanity would be better off if we could ban all religions rather than create more false idols.

But going with what we have... I can see how the Muslims having an actual spiritual leader to follow could greatly help them.
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:39 AM   #55
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Personally, I feel all religions follow a disturbing pattern. I truly believe all of humanity would be better off if we could ban all religions rather than create more false idols.
that if religions disappeared there would be a reduction in violence is one of the most odd ideas that is in currency now. if religion disappeared today everyone would just attach themselves to some other kind of ideational structure and murder and kill each other for that.

look at the french revolution, the history of communism. no religion there. just the guillotine and mass murder deployed in the pursuit of some ideal.
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Old 12-05-2009, 11:58 AM   #56
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that if religions disappeared there would be a reduction in violence is one of the most odd ideas that is in currency now. if religion disappeared today everyone would just attach themselves to some other kind of ideational structure and murder and kill each other for that.

look at the french revolution, the history of communism. no religion there. just the guillotine and mass murder deployed in the pursuit of some ideal.
We will always have crazy people leading others... but no Country or leader, for 2000+ years has held such a grasp over the people as religions have.

But when I look across the world at non-religious cultures and countries, I see much calmer people, peace, far less wars caused by these people, and even Governments in many cases and much less forcing of ideas/morals and rules throughout history and today.

Muslims are going to end up creating another period like the dark ages, history is trying to repeat itself.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:05 PM   #57
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name a non-religious country lol.

by non-religious you mean non-muslim i assume, but in advanced western states those that align themselves with some kind of religion is still very high. there are other factors that contribute to the peace of those states than religion.

maybe only non-religious countries are cuba and north korea.

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We will always have crazy people leading others... but no Country or leader, for 2000+ years has held such a grasp over the people as religions have.

But when I look across the world at non-religious cultures and countries, I see much calmer people, peace, far less wars caused by these people, and even Governments in many cases and much less forcing of ideas/morals and rules throughout history and today.

Muslims are going to end up creating another period like the dark ages, history is trying to repeat itself.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:22 PM   #58
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name a non-religious country lol.

by non-religious you mean non-muslim i assume, but in advanced western states those that align themselves with some kind of religion is still very high. there are other factors that contribute to the peace of those states than religion.

maybe only non-religious countries are cuba and north korea.
Religion = Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc...

Every Country in the world has people that follow religions, not every Country in the world is religious based or not controlled by religion, like America.. and aren't in the forefront of attacking without cause.

But some Countries would include: Sweden, Finland, Norway, Iceland, Canada and even China - religion wise... also included but not listed is about 20 others, including many islands.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:27 PM   #59
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that if religions disappeared there would be a reduction in violence is one of the most odd ideas that is in currency now. if religion disappeared today everyone would just attach themselves to some other kind of ideational structure and murder and kill each other for that.

look at the french revolution, the history of communism. no religion there. just the guillotine and mass murder deployed in the pursuit of some ideal.

True on that, look at all these 4 books from Biggest Religions Islam, Christianity and Judaism, they all say "You won't kill", but it's believers still do the otherwise, then some people accusing religions itself
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Old 12-05-2009, 05:27 PM   #60
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