That may be true to some extent...but those people could just as easily hit the tube sites for that. If a person types in a specific domain name then they are on a quest. And that is gold. That is a sale waiting to happen. And it won't be satisfied until they get what they want. Now yeah, if they just typed in "anal" okay. Any anal would do. But to type in "Her First Anal" Well, they have intentions of buying a membership to one of your kickass sites. Second best won't do for that person. :)

your last paragraph contradicts itself... in this day and age that you say affiliates are slim to nil... any one sending sales is a serious affiliate.

and offering another pps has nothing to do with shoehorn beind owed money, he should get his money and D can offer that pps or not.

It wasnt in the TOS... plain and simple... kept taking sales... same thing as shaving...

Of course not.

Theres no way I (or any other sane person for that matter) would put more time and effort into promoting a program that already owes them money and isn't paying.

I think Shoehorn could absolutely send some of those keywords traffic to other sites like BVF's. But the one thing: CrackWhore Confessions
I don't know.

I think if someone typed those three words they are looking for THAT site and that site only. Dirty D has done a helluva job of making CrackWhore Confessions a world famous site.

I could be wrong about it...but I think sending an adword campaign for the term "Crackwhore Confessions" anywhere except the actual site would end up being a money loser. It's just too targeted.

When someone searches for the terms in a domain name, he is presented with thousands of links to check out. The site in question is one of them, but so are torrent sites, tubes, gallery listings, filesharing forums, etc.

Unlike se listings, using adwords gives you full control over how exactly the link will look - creating the opportunity to not only increase chances of a click going to the site in question rather than a tube or torrent site, but also possibly enticing the user to consider joining the site instead of continuing to search for free stuff.

Compare it to a billboard right in front of the store it advertises. Everyone who passes it should notice the store as well, and yet it is likely to still bring in additional customers.

Exactly.

And any affiliate that continues to send him traffic should think twice before doing so. Its my $350 he stole this time, next time it might be a bigger fish.

1. Not neccessarily.

2. Yes, it wasn't in the TOS. Not sure when Dirty D realized what was going on, I'm no mind reader. In my opinion he was probably pissed off as hell that he had ever paid out money on an adword of his domain and acted irrationally. But I don't know that. Just a guess.

3. This whole thing sucks from the beginning to the end.

4. To all the programs I promote: I own sites and work hard as an affiliate to bring people to your site that may have never heard of you before. I'm a promoter and an affiliate. That's my job.

http://www.realcrackhoes.com/webmasters.htm make some cash

I agree. Only Dirty D said that every sale was from the DOMAIN NAME. Not a keyword containing the name or another version of the name or a related word. But the actual domain name.

That's a different animal all together.

That's a good one! :thumbsup

So many fake nics in this thread, it's disturbing.

http://crackwhoreconfessions.com/ima...ack_whores.jpg

Not takin' sides - just sayin'...

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Six pages of most everyone saying the same thing.

Dirty D, have you decided to do what everyone knows is right and pay me the money that you owe me?

so says les grossman.

I have one of those too.

Doesn't change the fact that he owes me money and should do the right thing and pay.

We saw the screenshot: it was "crackwhore confessions", not "crackwhoreconfessions.com".

If I typed in "crackwhore confessions", I might be looking for the site itself... but I might also be looking for a random place to find some of the videos. Which would be accomplished by simply scrolling down and going for rapidlibrary or filestube.

Since the crackwhoreconfessions.com listing looks like shit, it actually wouldn't be as enticing as the listings below it. Since some of those listings don't go to pages promoting the site at all, that's a problem.

Adwords offers a solution to that. It allows you to create a prettier listing that confers a message rather than containing some keywords. A message like "Watch hundreds of crackwhores get their holes used right now for just $29.99!" among the listings might just make the surfer think "Hey! That's pretty cheap for getting off right now!" and prevent him from ever scrolling down and discovering the free alternatives.

Hell, we could just look at one of your sites, ClaudiaMarie.com. The second listing is "Claudia Marie Picture and Movies at FreeOnes" - which contains more than enough free galleries to get most surfers off.

An Adwords listing for Claudia Marie which mentions the price and points immediately to a custom join page could well result in a few additional signups each month, from people who would be satisfied by free galleries otherwise :2 cents:

no shit... come clean les... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I agree pay the man after reading this entire thread, it's not in tos therefore there is nothing wrong with what you did, there is no dispute at this point at the amount owed should be paid point blank.

this is so fucking funny

Maybe, but theres also a lot of well known veterans saying the same thing, that Dirty D should pay the money he owes me.

obviously this is an sem issue and what or what not is allowed. for clarification I mentioned SEO on this thread as an example of specifically how a program can have a misunderstanding of traffic and cut an affiliate, but once everything was communicated - both parties can work together towards the same goal.

i'm sure dirty d will understand that what you are doing is a benefit for him and you both will come to terms...

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Back to work, busy converting a very special program at 1:125 gfy

you better be seeing them as THIRD listing behind my index and tour pages as ONE and TWO because I work hard to keep it that way.

And believe me, on the occassions where I change stuff and they get that number one spot for a day or so while Google reshuffles...they make sales off that spot. But as long as I'm at the top...it's type-in heaven.

I can only speak from my experience. People looking specifically for Claudia Marie end up coming to me in the end one way or another. My dynamic tour is better than any free site when it comes to Claudia-Marie. Google is a place where I don't have any problems anymore, but only because I work hard to make sure of it.

And I've been expanding out to some very cool keywords lately as well. :)

Hell, I'll give some of y'all one of them right here...I don't mind competition cause I think I'm better lol

Check this out in Google "big tit whore"

I've been finding LOADS of keywords recently that surprised me with how big and profitable they are. And once I find 'em, I take 'em. :pimp

And no...I don't need to buy a "pretty" adword on Google to make sales.

Hopefully. It isn't too late for him to come in here, admit that he made a mistake, fix it and everyone move on.

Until then, its important that other affiliates to know whats going on.

Oh one other thing....on the "big tit whore" keyword you'll also notice my Grampland and Jugland sites are on the first page too. Heh-heh.

Is this all you wanted to say?

I like you and your lady, in person, the board is a different matter.

But I will say this... There are people that make WAY more money than you ever will on your site and they do it with PPC...

I myself havent experienced huge profit from ppc... but its out there...

for you to gain multiple result son page one only means its not a hugely sought after keyword...

kudos for you for carving that phrase out, but this second comment on the phrase burnt it for a lot of us

Seriously robbie... youre a cool dude in person n shit... but your board tactics just seems like a facet for you to argue...

I feel the same way, everything he posts is either to bait people for an argument or to spam his site.

I don't care about his organic SE traffic or his site, theres enough threads about that already.

I care about making people aware of what is going on here and to try to get my money.

Really? Ok, I'm glad you know how much money I've made. And you don't like me on the board because I simply spoke my mind? I've known Dirty D for at least a decade. I partied with Shoehorn in Costa Rica a couple of years ago. I took no sides. I just tired of reading a lot of people on here talking shit about Dirty D's program.

As far as "more money than I ever will" here are my affiliate stats since mid-2003 (that's only as far back as Stats Remote goes) I made TONS more from 1996 to 2003:

http://claudia-marie.com/fun/robbiestats.jpg

I am and always have been a serious affiliate.

And Claudia-Marie's little ol' site has made net profits of over $600,000 since it opened the doors with 5 updates in May of 2007.

Please don't insult me.

Not a highly sought keyword????? Results 1 - 10 of about 3,240,000 for big tit whore

It's not huge, but it ain't too bad either and it's VERY HIGHLY TARGETED. Damn, even when I try to give you people a free gift you don't take it.

I hope you get your $350. I think you've made people aware in this thread. Good luck to you. See you soon I hope.

And why do you think that is? Because people are taking sides? Ganging up on him?

Of course not. This is a matter of doing the right thing and PAYING YOUR AFFILIATES. Dirty D isn't paying his affiliates. Maybe some of them, but not all of them.

Leave your ego at the door please. This thread isn't about you, no matter how much you want it to be.

This is about something as simple as a program not paying its affiliates. I sent him sales, he owes me money for those sales, he hasn't paid me.

Thank you.

Good luck to you Shoehorn. I hope your crusade on here works. I don't have much more to offer. I gave you my opinion but it didn't fall in line with you so now you're talking about my ego. Okay. I still hope it works out for you. Good luck.

If affiliates did not link into paysites how many would even rank for their own domain search?

Not many.

I'd have to say, let whoever's paying for the clicks be the judge of that...

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!!!! :2 cents: It's true, because the $350 he stole from an affiliate will cost him the trust of every affiliate on this forum. You would have to be a fool to promote a program that steals from affiliates, especially over such a small amount, and especially in a way like he did, (not saying anything to steal as much as possible).

Hey man, if he wants to cite "syphoning traffic from his brand name" as the termination, show him what some genuine brandname milking is all about. :1orglaugh

ok lie is one thing

he didn't threaten anything, he stated fact.

Change TOS and pay him