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I am posting this for clarification. I had a license that would normally expire on 6-1-11. On 2-18-11, you sent me an email saying you were severing all ties between us. Now, today I find that the homepage for my sub domain redirects to LCN. Mark, since you have officially in writing stated our business relationship ended as of yesterday, I don?t believe you have the right to redirect my traffic. The customers I built up are a reflection of the hard work I accomplished for the past 18 months. I think you are guilty of what you so foolishly accused me off ,stealing customers. I would ask you to delete my site entirely , and not to continue redirecting my customers unknowingly to LCN They belong to me as a result of my advertising.

If this breach is not corrected immediately, I will delete the site entirely on my own end or perhaps direct it somewhere else.

You are a piece of work!

bump for clarification by LCN

I would like clarification too from LCN on this issue. What gives you the right to "hack" into my server and redirect my site to LCN after you disabled my site?


I had my tech guy look into this , and here is his response:

Hi Steve
I think this is what has happened. He has deleted the entire folder from your server. I can not locate cam.livecollegecamgirls.com or whatever it was called. I have removed (password change) the ftp account also so shouldn?t get there again now. What a nightmare, almost childish, but glad I am out of it!

This is just another example, amongst many that I will post at the appropriate time, of how this "man" operates.

Here is the thing Mark. Most of the people who buy into your system are new to the adult industry so you have an advantage using your convoluted logic. The difference now is that you will have to demonstrate to people with equal or more knowledge than you how this or any other transgression I will eventually post is "kosher" in the adult industry.

So, please explain what gives you the right to redirect my site to LCN after you disabled it and when you are holding all the money owed me in some type "escrow account" against what you allude to as protection from future chargebacks.

In my book this is an unethical business situation
guess i`m not the only one who just dropped all the aff links from lcncash
i wish you good luck with your website pornsitenewbie

Steve / Fottage,

No Steve, this is not correct. Your account has been suspend, not "hacked".

On February 16th 2011 at 10:06pm, I sent you an email (which was CC'ed to our lawyer, Ken Zigby) notifying you that your website was in violation of our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use policies because you were directing your traffic away from the services that your customers paid for, and asked you to correct the problem within 12 hours to avoid chargebacks. Our policy on this matter (available to you via your administrator program) is very clear:

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• 6.06 Maintain DNS and connectivity:
  
• 6.06.01 In the event that the Licensee makes use of Licensor's billing sub-account facility, Licensee shall always maintain its domain name pointed to the domain name server (or "D.N.S.") as specifically designated by Licensor, and shall maintain connection to LCN Servers, chat model "broadcasters" and shall not redirect, point "traffic", switch or point its domain to any other domain name server unless Licensor has provided prior written authorization to do so; failure to respect this provision will cause Licensee to be liable for all damages, fines and liabilities caused by this default.

Even though this was your 4th serious violation of our Terms of Service / AUP, service to your site, we re-enabled your account when you fixed the problem.

On February 19th 2011 at 1:31 am, after we decided not to promote one of your chat models on our website (due to the other 3 AUP violations regarding attempted theft of customers and breach of trust) you sent a particularly nasty email to me notifying me that our business was done, and you had once again directed traffic to a different service thereby preventing your customers (on our CCBill account) from accessing what they paid for, making this the 5th and final AUP violation.

One more thing:

This use of our CCBill account (Sub account) is an optional service available to all site owners. Because we take the potential of chargebacks seriously and because we value our relationship with CCBill, Segpay and others tremendously, we want to make sure that these accounts are not being misused. Each site owner is more than welcome to obtain and use their own billing accounts which Steve / Fottage was encouraged to do many times as early as a year ago. Had he obtained his own account, this 4th violation would have been any issue at all.

Uh... ask CCBill, Epoch, WTS, SegPay, etc. etc. why they're holding back moneys. Ask VISA and MasterCard. We're not holding back, the processor is. We don't pay what we don't have, you get paid when they pay out...

It's not "some type 'escrow account'". Any third-party processor (such as CCBill etc.) holds back a percentage against what THEY "allude to as protection from future chargebacks".

And most of us who use these services appreciate and understand these actions, because, regardless of credit-card company policies such as the 1% rule, charge-backs hurt our businesses in the short AND long term...

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Give me a few minutes while I put together my response

Steve / Fottage,

First, nice bump..!

And second, look: We realize that you are upset but it isn't like we didn't warn you it was going to happen. We all think you're a good person and I'm fairly sure you meant no bad intention. What I would suggest we do is that we setup a conference call today between you, me and Greg. We will explain our position on the matter and then show you how it can all be easily resolved.

just pay our "easy resolution fee" and you are good to go ? right ?

There were never any violations regarding TOS. On 2-14-11.I kept the original Domain name pointed to you as you requested. I was under the impression that as long as I did not officially change my Domain name and point elsewhere, I was not in violation, hence why my site has .net not .com. A few days later, and I will post all this shortly, I get a TOS violation email with a cc to your attorney accusing me of all types of heinous violations. I explained I misunderstood that a redirect was the same as pointing elsewhere , and I gave you my FTP information to change it which you used to redirect my defunct site to LCN.

After I told you I would not renew my license with you due to the inability to make a profit in two years, you agreed and turned off my CCbill. Shortly thereafter you sent me the letter stating I was in violation of the TOS since I was redirecting to my new site. I informed you that if I was circumventing your TOS, I would immediately rectify the problem which I did. I don't believe the redirect was for more that one week.

You quickly notified me that I would need to keep CCbill enabled to avoid chargebacks,etc.You advised me that it was just a matter of activating my account with CCbill since you did not delete it. I told you to do so, and I also asked you to advise me of the cost.

You sent me the following email:

Re: *** IMPORTANT NOTICE ***
Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:41 PM

From:

"Mark Prince" <.........................>View contact details

To:

"Stephen Davis" <........................>, "Kenneth ." <...................>


Steve:


On 11-02-17 2:20 AM, Stephen Davis wrote:

ME
> Mark, do what u want. I gave u notice and I told u I would keep my site pointed to u. I created another site not to take ur bloody chatters away, but to make money. If you want the site to be accessible , put back ccbill. I wont pay u 500.00 to install mine.

YOU
The problem is that your site is no longer pointing to our server. As I
told you earlier tonight, you are redirecting your traffic away. This
is the violation of the Terms of Service of both us and CCBill that I am
referring to.

If you want to use your own CCBill account, there will be a service fee
of $450.00 to install it. I told you this already. It is a price
announced as a part of our service. I will not do it for free. You
chose not to purchase this.

If you want to use our CCBill account I can re-enable it for you for
free. I already told you that it was not deleted, only disabled. All
you need to pay is the usual fees for using our account that you have
always been paying.

Another email followed:

Clear flag

LiveCollegeCamGirls.com
Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:32 AM

From:

"Mark Prince" <....................>

To:

"Stephen Davis" <......................>, "Kenneth ." <............................>, "Mediaguy" <..........................>



Steve,

Thank you for providing us with the password to your account so that we could point traffic from your domain, LiveCollegeCamGirls back to our servers. This move insures that customers who purchased time on your website can now get what they paid for. We have completed the work necessary and re-enabled mbase and the other accounts.

We will not renew your license in June when your current license expires. Therefore you must inform your customers of this and ask that they use up the time they purchase before this date. We will not write this for you but we encourage you to post your message in your private support forum before sending anything to your customers for our approval.

One thing you will be able to do is invite your customers to use their remaining time on Live Cam Network . com. We can transfer their accounts and balances to their accounts on LCN. This will reduce or prevent chargebacks and keep your costs and liabilities as low as possible.

Mark Prince

　
Since I was now back in your ?good graces? ,I had access to my backend and checked my account. For an action which you said was not too involved , reactivating CCbill, you charged me $195.00 even after you told me in the prior email this would be free. I just accepted this again as another way you do business , and decided to work with Greg to rectify any further problems. I told Greg that you told me I would need to keep pointed to you for six months after my last sale on ccbill. This seemed to be contradiction since the site was supposed to be closed effective 6-1-11. Nevertheless, I wanted to avoid further problems so I asked Greg to post the following disclaimer:

Live college Cam Girls' Cam Site, will close on 6-1-11.We are not taking any new purchases due to our imminent closure.

If you have purchased time to spend on the cam site and still have money left, you must use it by 6-1-11. If you would like a refund, please contact 2Much Internet at ########### for a refund

We are sorry for any inconvenience this action might have caused.

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Stephen P Davis

Greg said he would make a few changes and post it on my site.

The final straw came when even after trying to exit on ?good terms? you would not enable any of my models. I told Greg and this was corrected. Next you took all the models off entirely so my site consisted of nobody. Please remember that this was still during the period when my site was scheduled to end on 6-1-11 and you were still charging me fees for hosting etc. Again I told Greg ,who seemed surprised, and shortly thereafter all the models were returned. I had several models coming on that night, and I was surprised when I set their schedules they did not appear on LCN. At this point I was through with you and all your chicanery, and I sent you the following email. The letter you refer to is as follows:. I have taken out statements that don?t bear on the situation, but will post it in its entirety if needed:

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Friday, February 18, 2011 10:31 PM

From:

"Stephen Davis" <.......................>

To:

"Mark" <..................................>

Cc:

"Greg" <.................................>

I have had it with u mark. You are not worth the aggravation u have caused me. You shut down my site and put it back on, you take off all my girls and then return them, you wont enable any of my girls,etc. We are done. Keep my money u greedy bastard, and use it to pay whatever u will undoubtedly charge me for hosting etc. If there is money left after 6-1-11, send it to me but I doubt I will ever see it.

Tell u the truth Mark, you have not heard the last of me. I complied with what u asked of me by redirecting the link back and activating CCBill. Not enough for you I guess.

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Back to real time :

You said you would not charge me to reactivate Ccbill and you did. There are so many other contractions I will post that I sometimes wonder if you are having seizures due to the nature of them

I am sorry that this has to come out into the open and be posted on this forum, but there is no other way to bring this to the attention of people who work in this field.Thanks for taking the time to read it, and I hope there is some positive result to the industry from this long post


Steve

Actually it was to suggest we configure and install his own CCBill processing free of charge, so that any unfortunate action on his part not endanger our master CCBill account.

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Greg, I do not have a problem with you. You are one of the nicest guys I have ever met. Solutions after the fact are not the same as acting on them when a viable solution could have been achieved.

I will count you as my friend regardless of how this eventuates


Steve

Steve you are omitting important details. You re-directed your traffic, not your domain. We did all of this for you as you asked, but you blew up at us again when we refused to promote your models.

Just because YOU say that you were not in violation of Terms of Service doesn't mean that you were not. You were in violation of our Terms of Service AND you were also in volation of CCBill's TOS which is located here: http://www.ccbill.com/cs/client/poli...table_use.html.

In order to keep our good name with CCBill, we want to make sure that sites running our sub account are not breaking their TOS.

If you are going to argue your points please keep them accurate.