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Va2k · 10-30-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG

Python is a whale of a company that could have provided you with years of work. It sucks you didn't get paid on time but the fact is they ALWAYS pay and you just screwed yourself out of a lot of work. I've seen them go 6+ months late on invoices just to pay in full. It's worth the wait to keep a valuable client.

+50
That is some of the stupidest shit I have heard in a long time!!

Agent 488 · 10-30-2009, 01:46 PM

some "whale" companies are having problems making payments right now.

can't fault a guy for wondering where his money is.

ProG · 10-30-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus

+50
That is some of the stupidest shit I have heard in a long time!!

Yes, it's stupid to maintain solid working relationships with established companies that will be around for a long time. I'm willing to bet shima isn't getting any more contracts from Python

ravo · 10-30-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG

I'm saying with a company like this it's guaranteed.

I hate to burst your bubble, but no payment is *guaranteed* from any company in any industry, especially adult. Is it *likely* to be made? Certainly.

I'm just saying that I've seen companies as big as Python go belly up, and left me holding a useless credit note.

It's all a matter of balancing the amount of business versus what you are willihg to risk...

shima · 10-30-2009, 02:56 PM

I just want is a fair trade. We deliver our work on schedule doing our part of the deal. But we want to be paid on the same schedule, ok with 3-5 day delays is fine. Ok, once a month, but on a certain date. If you set a pay date then you should follow it. Otherwise what are we working for? Hope to be paid sometime maybe in the future but not sure when?

Va2k · 10-30-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shima

I just want is a fair trade. We deliver our work on schedule doing our part of the deal. But we want to be paid on the same schedule, ok with 3-5 day delays is fine. Ok, once a month, but on a certain date. If you set a pay date then you should follow it. Otherwise what are we working for? Hope to be paid sometime maybe in the future but not sure when?

I agree with you 100%

Snake Doctor · 10-30-2009, 03:41 PM

How is it career suicide to call out a company for not paying you in a timely manner?

When affiliate checks go out 1 hour late the peanut gallery here goes bananas.

Who is going to see this thread and not hire this guy? Probably someone who would pay late or not pay.....I doubt he wants work from those people anyways.

Just because it's a buyers market for design services doesn't mean designers have to grab their ankles and pray that you pay them one day. The "buyers market" is already reflected in the price you're paying....that doesn't mean you also get to wait to pay the invoice at your leisure.

Snake Doctor · 10-30-2009, 03:42 PM

All of that being said, I hear that all of the big companies dick vendors around when it comes to getting paid for shit.
Designers, shooters, hosts, etc all have to stand in line and beg......so maybe he's costing himself some business from the big companies by doing this....but he obviously doesn't have the patience to deal with those guys anyways...so this thread isn't really going to hurt him IMO.

Sly · 10-30-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG

I'm saying with a company like this it's guaranteed. It's not like you are taking some risk of not being paid for 6 months. If you can them after 1 month you just screwed yourself out of 5 months. It absolutely only applies to certain companies like Python. It's funny, the only people who know I'm right are the ones getting money from Python.

I'm sorry but history has proven this incorrect over and over again. It just isn't true. Any company can die, after the past 18 months one would think that this is much more obvious.

Disclaimer: I was commenting to this reply only, nothing against Python or the situation at hand.

will76 · 10-30-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ProG

I'm saying with a company like this it's guaranteed. It's not like you are taking some risk of not being paid for 6 months. If you can them after 1 month you just screwed yourself out of 5 months. It absolutely only applies to certain companies like Python. It's funny, the only people who know I'm right are the ones getting money from Python.

what is funny is if you are doing work for them and going around and telling everyone they take 6 months to pay, and you think its ok. Or for that matter that they would be ok with you telling people this, as much as YOU think it is ok, if what you are saying is true it just makes them look even more like shit.

I didn't know it was standard that all big companies don't know how to pay their bills on time and make you wait months to get paid. I guess it is ok too right, because you will be paid sooner or later. I guess also the person being paid should get his landlord, creditors, bank, etc... to understand that he is late paying his bills because the big porn companies take 6 months to pay. I am sure his creditors wil be ok with that.

Va2k · 10-30-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

what is funny is if you are doing work for them and going around and telling everyone they take 6 months to pay, and you think its ok. Or for that matter that they would be ok with you telling people this, as much as YOU think it is ok, if what you are saying is true it just makes them look even more like shit.

I didn't know it was standard that all big companies don't know how to pay their bills on time and make you wait months to get paid. I guess it is ok too right, because you will be paid sooner or later. I guess also the person being paid should get his landlord, creditors, bank, etc... to understand that he is late paying his bills because the big porn companies take 6 months to pay. I am sure his creditors wil be ok with that.

God damn sometimes I can't stand you or your post but I have to 100% agree with this one.. Good job!

After Shock Media · 10-30-2009, 05:33 PM

I just love how so many like to generalize.

I think the designer should of been paid and paid on time. I do not think people should have to wait an unreasonable amount of time to get paid for anything, and unreasonable to me is roughly a week after it was due assuming it was not collected up front.

I do think the designer perhaps should of thought this out a tiny bit better, than to just post it all here in the open. No, not because he is not owed or anything like that. Just because we all do know how this board often works. David versus Goliath rarely ends out the same around here if you catch my drift and it is rare when it does.

He may have been getting fed up. He may be needing the money and can not wait any longer. Just as a general tactic though I feel he performed the wrong maneuver. He could of had much better results/luck with say a GFY warning shot. We all have seen them used and in the end nobody losses face unless it goes to round two.

I have never been one to run here with problems. I avoid drama like the fucking plaque. Once long ago I did the very same shit two times on here. Both times I got my ass handed to me, not because I was wrong but because who I accused was "stand up", "top notch", "bro's", whatever. Hell I never even got paid on one of them and just had to pretty much drop it.
I know now I could probably rip apart someone less known then me today. I would be seen more as the person beyond attack compared to when I first tried my hand at the high school board rules. Problem is still there though and those stupid fucking rules will often cost you more than what you are owed.

will76 · 10-30-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus

God damn sometimes I can't stand you or your post but I have to 100% agree with this one.. Good job!

I love the add to ignore function on here and use it often for people, if you don't like my posts you should use it.

Va2k · 10-30-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I love the add to ignore function on here and use it often for people, if you don't like my posts you should use it.

Gawd damn you over sensitive drama queen! I didn't mean to hurt ya wittle feelings dewd! I was just saying sometimes you go on and on and on and on oh yea on and on and on and on etc.... follow me my wittle little cup cake! I was just poking fun at you! Chill a little have fun poke fun back!

will76 · 10-30-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I just love how so many like to generalize.

I think the designer should of been paid and paid on time. I do not think people should have to wait an unreasonable amount of time to get paid for anything, and unreasonable to me is roughly a week after it was due assuming it was not collected up front.

I do think the designer perhaps should of thought this out a tiny bit better, than to just post it all here in the open. No, not because he is not owed or anything like that. Just because we all do know how this board often works. David versus Goliath rarely ends out the same around here if you catch my drift and it is rare when it does.

He may have been getting fed up. He may be needing the money and can not wait any longer. Just as a general tactic though I feel he performed the wrong maneuver. He could of had much better results/luck with say a GFY warning shot. We all have seen them used and in the end nobody losses face unless it goes to round two.

I have never been one to run here with problems. I avoid drama like the fucking plaque. Once long ago I did the very same shit two times on here. Both times I got my ass handed to me, not because I was wrong but because who I accused was "stand up", "top notch", "bro's", whatever. Hell I never even got paid on one of them and just had to pretty much drop it.
I know now I could probably rip apart someone less known then me today. I would be seen more as the person beyond attack compared to when I first tried my hand at the high school board rules. Problem is still there though and those stupid fucking rules will often cost you more than what you are owed.

way too much thought process there and over complicating things.

He provided a service for an agreed upon price.
They were late paying the bill.
He inquired and was told a couple more days.
He inquired again and was told a couple more days.
He inquired again and was told a couple more days.
He inquired again and was told a couple more days.
He inquired again and was told a couple more days.
30 days later he asks publicly "Hey can I get paid".

Fuck all the noise, idiots, board rules, standup guys and all that other bullshit.

I think it is good to find out who pays "6 months late" who doesn't pay at all (scams people) and who pay on time. <- finding out who falls into those categories is one of the few things that this message board is good for. It's good for the people reading to see how different companies around here handle their business and its typically good for the person who is making the post, because of instead of having to give up a % to a collection agency, GFY doesn't ask for a % when you get paid from making a post on here about someone oweing you money.

will76 · 10-30-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungus

Gawd damn you over sensitive drama queen! I didn't mean to hurt ya wittle feelings dewd! I was just saying sometimes you go on and on and on and on oh yea on and on and on and on etc.... follow me my wittle little cup cake! I was just poking fun at you! Chill a little have fun poke fun back!

ok then don't use the ignore button then

seriously, if you "can't stand someone" who goes "on and on and on and on and on etc..." why read their posts.

I love the ignore function for that reason, so I don't have to keep wasting time reading post from people who I think are idiots.

After Shock Media · 10-30-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I think it is good to find out who pays "6 months late" who doesn't pay at all (scams people) and who pay on time. <- finding out who falls into those categories is one of the few things that this message board is good for. It's good for the people reading to see how different companies around here handle their business and its typically good for the person who is making the post, because of instead of having to give up a % to a collection agency, GFY doesn't ask for a % when you get paid from making a post on here about someone oweing you money.

1 do take a chill pill will, you have been in hyper mode since you came back. Seem to miss the nuances of not only this place but of what people say. Hell go look on how you flipped on Fungus. All he said is often he does not agree with you but in that instance does 100% - IGNORE ME BITCH!

Now show me when you have used a collection agency?
I do not over think things around here either. I just have learned the process and where you are wrong with your post is that GFY does take its percentage. You may not see it directly but it does. You end up in drama and some people will just not work with you no matter which side you were on. You cause drama, again same issues. You get accused of it and presto same shit. Guilt or innocence does not even fucking matter around here.
Just know that GFY does work as a collection agency and it does take more than its cut.

Va2k · 10-30-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

1 do take a chill pill will, you have been in hyper mode since you came back. Seem to miss the nuances of not only this place but of what people say. Hell go look on how you flipped on Fungus. All he said is often he does not agree with you but in that instance does 100% - IGNORE ME BITCH!

Now show me when you have used a collection agency?
I do not over think things around here either. I just have learned the process and where you are wrong with your post is that GFY does take its percentage. You may not see it directly but it does. You end up in drama and some people will just not work with you no matter which side you were on. You cause drama, again same issues. You get accused of it and presto same shit. Guilt or innocence does not even fucking matter around here.
Just know that GFY does work as a collection agency and it does take more than its cut.

Damn why Can't I write and say things as clear as you bud? LOL

will76 · 10-30-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

1 do take a chill pill will, you have been in hyper mode since you came back. Seem to miss the nuances of not only this place but of what people say. Hell go look on how you flipped on Fungus. All he said is often he does not agree with you but in that instance does 100% - IGNORE ME BITCH!

Now show me when you have used a collection agency?
I do not over think things around here either. I just have learned the process and where you are wrong with your post is that GFY does take its percentage. You may not see it directly but it does. You end up in drama and some people will just not work with you no matter which side you were on. You cause drama, again same issues. You get accused of it and presto same shit. Guilt or innocence does not even fucking matter around here.
Just know that GFY does work as a collection agency and it does take more than its cut.

lol telling someone who says they "can't stand you" that they can use the ignore function = "flipping out".... you uh, over dramatic much?

The using a collection agency was a joke, i doubt anyone uses a collection agency to try to collect from adult companies who didn't pay them for work. I was joking/pointing out how it doesn't cost anything for the person to come out here and make a post, which in most cases gets the other party to pay up.

You try to get someone to pay up for a long time and they don't. Then you make a post on GFY asking them to pay and they get mad and say they not going to pay you now... lol do you really think they were going to pay you in the first place lol. nope.

People only get caught up in drama if they let themselves... my advice to t hem " use the ignore function" if someone is trying to bait you into drama or start shit with you.

Agent 488 · 10-30-2009, 11:54 PM

i am getting stiffed by two bro big timee companies this week.

fuck them. out them and get your money earned.

shima · 11-02-2009, 06:04 AM

2 business days and case remains unresolved.

shima · 11-03-2009, 12:34 AM

Today is exactly 3 weeks after the due date and agreed payment date. There is no payment and seems that nobody gives a fuck.

Agent 488 · 11-03-2009, 02:01 AM

they are all ballers see?

will76 · 11-03-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AudreyG

I don't think anyone is getting aggressive or defensive. Something was brought in a public forum - so a public response to the problem is perfectly appropriate in my opinion.

actually a PAYMENT would be the perfectly appropriate response.

Sucks to see you come here and acknowledge that you owe the guy money but 4 days later he still hasn't been paid.

I wonder how many of these guys would be pissed if their paychecks were 30 days late or if they had to go chase after their own pay checks each month.

LickMyBalls · 11-03-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

actually a PAYMENT would be the perfectly appropriate response.

Sucks to see you come here and acknowledge that you owe the guy money but 4 days later he still hasn't been paid.

I wonder how many of these guys would be pissed if their paychecks were 30 days late or if they had to go chase after their own pay checks each month.

This is bad man. Called out on GFY and STILL won't pay. As far as I'm concerned, if you get called out on GFY and still haven't paid the man, it's because you CAN'T pay the man.

I know nothing of the program in question but if I were promoting them, this would alarm me. When a program is struggling, they stop paying vendors first because they already got the benefit of the vendor's work. Then you slow down your hosting payments, you cut back on new content, members stop rebilling, revenue starts drying up, then affiliates checks start being sent out late due to a glitch, then KABAMM, GONE!!!. I'm probably over-dramatizing here but just sayin.

Bump for you Shima.

shima · 11-03-2009, 11:12 AM

Thanks guys, but this is not about the program. Its about the service we did for them. They got the service, promised to pay for it on a certain date, and then failed to do it. And this isn't the first time.

will76 · 11-03-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shima

Thanks guys, but this is not about the program. Its about the service we did for them. They got the service, promised to pay for it on a certain date, and then failed to do it. And this isn't the first time.

it leads to questions about the program's financial state if they can not pay their bills.

Either they have the money and don't want to pay you, or they don't have the money and can't pay you.

BradM · 11-03-2009, 12:02 PM

Python is probably cash poor, and struggling or they could pay for design work they are using.

shima · 11-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Python is cash poor? Yeah right.

Payment received, case closed. Thanks everyone for your support.

10-30-2009, 05:33 PM	#62
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I just love how so many like to generalize. I think the designer should of been paid and paid on time. I do not think people should have to wait an unreasonable amount of time to get paid for anything, and unreasonable to me is roughly a week after it was due assuming it was not collected up front. I do think the designer perhaps should of thought this out a tiny bit better, than to just post it all here in the open. No, not because he is not owed or anything like that. Just because we all do know how this board often works. David versus Goliath rarely ends out the same around here if you catch my drift and it is rare when it does. He may have been getting fed up. He may be needing the money and can not wait any longer. Just as a general tactic though I feel he performed the wrong maneuver. He could of had much better results/luck with say a GFY warning shot. We all have seen them used and in the end nobody losses face unless it goes to round two. I have never been one to run here with problems. I avoid drama like the fucking plaque. Once long ago I did the very same shit two times on here. Both times I got my ass handed to me, not because I was wrong but because who I accused was "stand up", "top notch", "bro's", whatever. Hell I never even got paid on one of them and just had to pretty much drop it. I know now I could probably rip apart someone less known then me today. I would be seen more as the person beyond attack compared to when I first tried my hand at the high school board rules. Problem is still there though and those stupid fucking rules will often cost you more than what you are owed. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

10-30-2009, 01:46 PM	#52
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	some "whale" companies are having problems making payments right now. can't fault a guy for wondering where his money is.

10-30-2009, 02:56 PM	#55
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	I just want is a fair trade. We deliver our work on schedule doing our part of the deal. But we want to be paid on the same schedule, ok with 3-5 day delays is fine. Ok, once a month, but on a certain date. If you set a pay date then you should follow it. Otherwise what are we working for? Hope to be paid sometime maybe in the future but not sure when?

10-30-2009, 03:41 PM	#57
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	How is it career suicide to call out a company for not paying you in a timely manner? When affiliate checks go out 1 hour late the peanut gallery here goes bananas. Who is going to see this thread and not hire this guy? Probably someone who would pay late or not pay.....I doubt he wants work from those people anyways. Just because it's a buyers market for design services doesn't mean designers have to grab their ankles and pray that you pay them one day. The "buyers market" is already reflected in the price you're paying....that doesn't mean you also get to wait to pay the invoice at your leisure.

10-30-2009, 03:42 PM	#58
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	All of that being said, I hear that all of the big companies dick vendors around when it comes to getting paid for shit. Designers, shooters, hosts, etc all have to stand in line and beg......so maybe he's costing himself some business from the big companies by doing this....but he obviously doesn't have the patience to deal with those guys anyways...so this thread isn't really going to hurt him IMO.

10-30-2009, 11:54 PM	#70
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i am getting stiffed by two bro big timee companies this week. fuck them. out them and get your money earned.

11-02-2009, 06:04 AM	#71
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	2 business days and case remains unresolved.

11-03-2009, 12:34 AM	#72
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	Today is exactly 3 weeks after the due date and agreed payment date. There is no payment and seems that nobody gives a fuck.

11-03-2009, 02:01 AM	#73
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	they are all ballers see?

11-03-2009, 11:12 AM	#76
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	Thanks guys, but this is not about the program. Its about the service we did for them. They got the service, promised to pay for it on a certain date, and then failed to do it. And this isn't the first time.

11-03-2009, 12:02 PM	#78
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Python is probably cash poor, and struggling or they could pay for design work they are using.

11-03-2009, 01:40 PM	#79
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	Python is cash poor? Yeah right. Payment received, case closed. Thanks everyone for your support.