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who said you cant "shave" on NATS ?

10-20-2009, 07:17 AM

Who said you cant "shave" or edit sales stats on NATS ?

I just witnessed a program owner edit my stats back and forth in a matter of seconds. (with my permission)

First i got credited some sales, then got removed some. It all got reflected in the program's stats area. It was done within 1 or 2 minutes.
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10-20-2009, 07:18 AM

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10-20-2009, 07:20 AM

no one said that - they said they deactivate your license if they catch you

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10-20-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan

Its scary that this comes up constantly.. but here we go again.. all we said was:

1) We have no system built into NATS which allows the affiliate to shave.
2) We have anti-shaving systems built into NATS to catch people trying to do strange things which they should not do.
3) If we catch anyone shaving with NATS we will immediately revoke their license.

What a load of shit, LOL

Anti-shaving systems built into NATS my ass. I witnessed my stats being edited in real-time (sales added / removed)
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10-20-2009, 07:24 AM

I had heard that shaving was not possible in Nats. Perhaps a statement from the Nats guys would be helpful here.

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10-20-2009, 07:24 AM

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10-20-2009, 07:25 AM

First day back home and I come home to NATS shaving.
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10-20-2009, 07:25 AM

Adding, and removing a manual sale, does not shaving equate.

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10-20-2009, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by BLOG BURGLAR

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What a load of shit, LOL

Anti-shaving systems built into NATS my ass. I witnessed my stats being edited in real-time (sales added / removed)

1) We have no system built into NATS which allows the affiliate to shave.

Since when do affiliates shave? Programs do. If you think that any program can not be shaved, you are wrong.

Fuck, even CCBill COULD shave if they wanted to, but as far as I know, they have no vested interest in doing so because they are a third party.
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10-20-2009, 07:27 AM

Adding or removing sales has nothing to do with shaving.

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10-20-2009, 07:30 AM

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10-20-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by XMaster

Adding or removing sales has nothing to do with shaving.

Yup a lot of programs out there seem to do the reverse shaving quite a lot though. They just add in sales (which is easy) to make your ratio look pretty.
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10-20-2009, 07:33 AM

1) Someone is desperate for sales or attention these days.

2) We don't allow shaving. If we find someone to be doing so, we'll terminate their license.

3) Unlike some other affiliate back ends, we have never and will never have a feature built into NATS for the purpose of shaving sales from affiliates.

4) Fabian was bought out of TMM a long time ago.

5) Anonymous TROLLS are fun!

6) Post proof or get that ban thing.

7) People can cheat you in SOME way no matter if they are on NATS, CCBill, MPA, Epoch, or Bob's Affiliate Deluxe. Trust those you do business with.

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10-20-2009, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by TMM_John

1) Someone is desperate for sales or attention these days.

2) We don't allow shaving. If we find someone to be doing so, we'll terminate their license.

3) Unlike some other affiliate back ends, we have never and will never have a feature built into NATS for the purpose of shaving sales from affiliates.

4) Fabian was bought out of TMM a long time ago.

5) Anonymous TROLLS are fun!

6) Post proof or get that ban thing.

7) People can cheat you in SOME way no matter if they are on NATS, CCBill, MPA, Epoch, or Bob's Affiliate Deluxe. Trust those you do business with.
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10-20-2009, 07:39 AM

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10-20-2009, 07:40 AM

John, which programs have TMM caught shaving?
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10-20-2009, 07:41 AM

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10-20-2009, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by TMM_John

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3) Unlike some other affiliate back ends, we have never and will never have a feature built into NATS for the purpose of shaving sales from affiliates.

your unverified joins thing was pretty much the same thing, it allowed affiliates to send sales that the program owner would first have to "approve" so the affiliates would see it in their stats and get paid for it

dont pretend your somehow at a higher road than mpa3 with that commment
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10-20-2009, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Mefo

Yup a lot of programs out there seem to do the reverse shaving quite a lot though. They just add in sales (which is easy) to make your ratio look pretty.

Hm i did not think about that! Thanks for the tip

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10-20-2009, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by whatif_3

your unverified joins thing was pretty much the same thing, it allowed affiliates to send sales that the program owner would first have to "approve" so the affiliates would see it in their stats and get paid for it

dont pretend your somehow at a higher road than mpa3 with that commment

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10-20-2009, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by whatif_3

your unverified joins thing was pretty much the same thing, it allowed affiliates to send sales that the program owner would first have to "approve" so the affiliates would see it in their stats and get paid for it

dont pretend your somehow at a higher road than mpa3 with that commment

It was actually the complete opposite.

It SHOWED you the sale and SHOWED you that you weren't being paid for it.

That is the opposite of shaving.

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10-20-2009, 07:50 AM

plain and simple if the program you promote does not report in real time but rather updates every few hours you are being robbed

if you get real time stats you have nothing to worry about with ccbill nats epoch etc

now the saving tools used in the past by some with another program platform had a built in shave that means that every say 5 signups dont credit one, now with that you would still get realtime stats but you would not get credit for all your joins

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10-20-2009, 07:55 AM

The reality is this: Within the software of NATS you cannot shave. There is no shave function. You can add bonus sales. They cannot be rescinded.

Outside of NATS? Sure, anyone with DB control can delete the appropriate rows, wrap the tracking modules and divert traffic, etc.

But that's outside of NATS.

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10-20-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by TMM_John

It was actually the complete opposite.

It SHOWED you the sale and SHOWED you that you weren't being paid for it.

That is the opposite of shaving.

affiliates sending good sales through nats and not getting paid for them is not the opposite of shaving lol
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10-20-2009, 08:03 AM

Just because the Nats program has the ability to credit or remove sales doesn't indicate shaving. Someone would literally have to manually go in and screw with things. Any good program has the ability to give affiliates credit or to remove sales, it's a manual process though.

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10-20-2009, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

The reality is this: Within the software of NATS you cannot shave. There is no shave function. You can add bonus sales. They cannot be rescinded.

Outside of NATS? Sure, anyone with DB control can delete the appropriate rows, wrap the tracking modules and divert traffic, etc.

But that's outside of NATS.

who would do that if the affiliates get real time reporting

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10-20-2009, 08:05 AM

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10-20-2009, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by whatif_3

affiliates sending good sales through nats and not getting paid for them is not the opposite of shaving lol

What you said was wrong, so now you're changing your argument.

You also have no proof what you're saying here ever happened (someone not being paid for a "good sale").

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10-20-2009, 08:08 AM

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10-20-2009, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by datatank

Anyone can edit the mysql

Anyone can fuck with anything. The point is we don't support it, don't allow it, and never have.

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10-20-2009, 08:10 AM

I've been using NATS 3 for years, you manually add a sale to a single affiliate, and on the page you add the sale it says

"You are about to add a sale, this sale cannot be removed later!!"

I suppose you can go into the database manually and mess with the numbers, but good luck getting thing to work and add up correctly afterward, let alone get it past TMM when the script calls home or they do an upgrade or something else.

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10-20-2009, 08:18 AM

Sponsors can 'shave' but the legal way is not via NATS but via fucking short time cookies

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10-20-2009, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by TMM_John

Anyone can fuck with anything. The point is we don't support it, don't allow it, and never have.

Why is that so hard for people to understand???

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I just witnessed a program owner edit my stats back and forth in a matter of seconds. (with my permission)

Do you think the program owner should not have that ability???

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10-20-2009, 10:23 AM

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10-20-2009, 10:27 AM

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plain and simple if the program you promote does not report in real time but rather updates every few hours you are being robbed

if you get real time stats you have nothing to worry about with ccbill nats epoch etc

now the saving tools used in the past by some with another program platform had a built in shave that means that every say 5 signups dont credit one, now with that you would still get realtime stats but you would not get credit for all your joins

Bullshit to that, my top two sponsors dont have real time stats and i made 7 figure income thing year with both of them

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10-20-2009, 10:27 AM

i just assume every single program shaves, period. Working at porn studios in California for ten years will do that to you

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10-20-2009, 10:30 AM

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i just assume every single program shaves, period. Working at porn studios in California for ten years will do that to you

thats funny, i assume every designer and programmer will fuck you
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10-20-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by whatif_3

thats funny, i assume every designer and programmer will fuck you

IN many cases what you say is 100% true.

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10-20-2009, 10:33 AM

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Bullshit to that, my top two sponsors dont have real time stats and i made 7 figure income thing year with both of them

glad you made 7 figures, what does that have to do with what I said? Saving doesnt mean all out robbing everything.

If the fucking stock market that deals with a billion more pieces of data then a adult site can be updated real time then a affiliate program can do the same

I wont push people who cant do real time stats, you do what you wish

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10-20-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by BAKO

Bullshit to that, my top two sponsors dont have real time stats and i made 7 figure income thing year with both of them

Bako the sales rep for WWC moonlights on the side making millions of dollars a year as an affiliate ?

anyone else see something wrong with that ?

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10-20-2009, 11:00 AM

I know you can add a sale or hundreds if you want.
Pretty sure you can not push any buttons and remove them though. I did credit the wrong affiliate with some free sales once and couldn't figure out how to remove them. I was compensating them for some downtime with giving them some internal traffic sales. Just ended up paying out the wrong affiliate a few sales as well as the correct affiliate. It did eat at me for a bit too - especially since one of the sales I credited by accident to the wrong guy re billed almost a year. (pure rev share)

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10-20-2009, 11:01 AM

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10-20-2009, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by will76

Bako the sales rep for WWC moonlights on the side making millions of dollars a year as an affiliate ?

anyone else see something wrong with that ?

I was just thinking this. Maybe some 404 traffic from the paysites using his feeds, that would be some killer converting traffic

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10-20-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by BAKO

Bullshit to that, my top two sponsors dont have real time stats and i made 7 figure income thing year with both of them

I know I take up jobs, side businesses, consulting, and even affiliate rep jobs while also running my own paysites and being an affiliate due to my level of bills. So I can understand working as a rep and a quality affiliate.

Your line still reeks of BS. You just said in public you make at least 1 million bucks a year each at two different affiliate programs.

Fuck there are not even that many programs that have very long lists of 6 figure let alone 7 figure affiliates and your saying your on two of them.

Hell why do you work for WWC, you could of bought them.

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10-20-2009, 11:22 AM

i think bako forgot to mention the decimal after first three figures of his seven figures.
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10-20-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

I know I take up jobs, side businesses, consulting, and even affiliate rep jobs while also running my own paysites and being an affiliate due to my level of bills. So I can understand working as a rep and a quality affiliate.

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which is exactly why I try to not share any info with reps. They will steal your idea and be making pages just like yours and in the end move to another job in two weeks. And on to milking that companies affiliates for ideas.

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10-20-2009, 11:27 AM

Who cares about shaving?

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10-20-2009, 11:27 AM

bako meant to say 7 dollars, not 7 figures.. please give him a break.. he is dimwitted..
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10-20-2009, 11:37 AM

far as i know one can only add sales to NATS, no way to remove
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10-20-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by XMaster

Adding or removing sales has nothing to do with shaving.

I don't get. If the sponsor in question hadn't notified me, i would have never known. This was done in my favor ofc, but that made me think...

The sales were credited, but then it was a bit too many and some were taken back.

If that's not a feature that can be abused, then I guess don't know what shaving is.
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