I swear by Microsoft Frontpage - GoFuckYourself.com

FTVGirls · 12-11-2002, 08:52 PM

I know you guys all love dreamweaver and photoshop.... but not that im a Microsoft fan but I use Microsoft Frontpage and Photodraw 2000.

Say I'm using crap?

Well, take a look at our webpages at http://www.ftvgirls.com and see the nice web design, the nice graphics. It all comes from those programs. I feel both programs are harder to work with but more 'solid' -- best word I can come up with.

Also this second website (a gaming site -- my hobby) was done with frontpage/photodraw:

www.toheroes.com

FATPad · 12-11-2002, 08:54 PM

TEXT EDITORS FOREVER!

I hate all wysiwyg editors. No exceptions.

12-11-2002, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
fair work... for a novice.

lol

the indigo · 12-11-2002, 08:56 PM

Same here... I tried both Dreamweaver and Dreamweaver MX and did not like them at all... too many useless things for basic html work.

Frontpage might be simple, but it's solid and easy to work with. I won't show sample cuz there's too many copycats in here

On the other hand, Photoshop is simply the best in the category.

MiLo · 12-11-2002, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
TEXT EDITORS FOREVER!

I hate all wysiwyg editors. No exceptions.

preach on,

I swear by TextPad

Backov · 12-11-2002, 08:58 PM

Frontpage is not bad because it's "simple" - it's bad because it generates absolutely shitty code.

Not just poorly formatted code - bloated, broken code.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to "clean up" FPs crap.

There's nothing wrong with using a GUI editor, and that's my only beef with it. Dreamweaver MX on the other hand is far more competent AND it generates good clean code.

Cheers,
Backov

Just the Village Idiot · 12-11-2002, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FTVGirls

Say I'm using crap?

You are using crap!

FTVGirls · 12-11-2002, 09:08 PM

im eating crap too now.... ack old chinese food. It sinks in the wrong way.

FATPad · 12-11-2002, 09:09 PM

Blah. I can't post it.

But I love the font tags around your line breaks.

It's why I hate all WYSIWYG editors and Frontpage in particular.

SykkBoy · 12-11-2002, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MiLo TurboNegro

preach on,

I swear by TextPad

same here, been a happy user since version 2....

Sambuka · 12-11-2002, 09:57 PM

Well I started my first webpage in 97 with a text editor, then soon found Netscape communicator editor, it really sucked

Then found frontpage 97 and used that for 2 years. Then Frontpage 2000. and then one of our webdesigners bought Dreamweaver 3 into work and I instantly loved it.

It just worked a little better than Frontpage 2000 for putting sites together. Now i'm a Dreamweaver MX FAN. I got Adobe Golive off the net and IT SUCKS BIG FAT HAIRY BALLS stay away from it. It is probably more stable than Dreamweaver, I have had a few occansions when editing other peoples downloaded sites it crashed dreamweaver but Adobe golive loaded it perfectly fine. But the designers of Golive have no fucking clue how to make a web editor. I mean its got so many damn functions and the learning curve just to do basic shit is huge, I have 2 screens, 1 with all there useless bars and tools on 1 side and the website on the other and even then it was slow and cumbersome.

Dreamweaver MX forever, its basic, FAST, doesn't have excess loads of shit and has a fantastic built in replace option.

Frontpage 2000 still puts pages together but if your doing complicated HTML with mulitple tables inside tables Dreamweaver would be my choice.

Your sites not bad but dude, get Adobe photoshop its what 99% of what people use so why bother with something else? I'm sure you can download it off the net if you don't have it already.

Sammy

DirkMagnum · 12-11-2002, 10:04 PM

vi > *

but i break down and use dreamweaver from time to time

ZoiNk · 12-11-2002, 10:06 PM

Nice title action, Keywords for a title, so professional. :> Also, putting text in size=1 and same colour as background. Yeah, Gotta love search engine spamming for keywords. Yes, that is what most search engines consider that. No wonder your main page has a link popularity of 2 and the other pages 1.

ZoiNk

SetTheWorldonFire · 12-11-2002, 10:10 PM

Dreamweaver seems to be the tool that most designers use. No shitty code and weird shit that can only be edited frontpage. more importantly compatability.

You wanna be a designer or make a design that will be edited by someone else...then use Dreamweaver.
Otherwise, Frontpage is ok.

chodadog · 12-11-2002, 10:33 PM

OzKaNoz · 12-11-2002, 10:40 PM

I use NotePad, Composer and hehe PHPcoder

Oz

DearAbby · 12-11-2002, 10:47 PM

Whats the difference between Text Editors and wysiwyg editors?

KRL · 12-11-2002, 10:55 PM

Abbey, With text editors there is no interface to see the page in real time. You are writing straight code. You have to visualize in your mind what is happening with the page look as you do your coding.

I use Note Tab Pro when I'm in a total text mood and Dreamweaver MX and a few others when I'm in the WYSIWYG mode.

There is nothing wrong with using Frontpage FTV, your site looks great. But FrontPage does often generate code that looks good when you do it, but messed up with non microsoft browsers.

Ludedude · 12-11-2002, 11:26 PM

You guys should check out Max's http://www.max.co.yu/htmlbeauty/

kevinl · 12-12-2002, 12:15 AM

i know front page will fuck up your affiliate code.

Shark · 12-12-2002, 10:04 AM

I don't use wysiwyg editors either but for those that do, in the sitepronews.com newsletter this morning there was an article on the advantages of using Frontpage and it detailed "fixes" that stop Frontpage from reformatting your code.

The article is online at http://www.sitepronews.com/

12-11-2002, 08:52 PM	#1
FTVGirls So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,052	I swear by Microsoft Frontpage I know you guys all love dreamweaver and photoshop.... but not that im a Microsoft fan but I use Microsoft Frontpage and Photodraw 2000. Say I'm using crap? Well, take a look at our webpages at http://www.ftvgirls.com and see the nice web design, the nice graphics. It all comes from those programs. I feel both programs are harder to work with but more 'solid' -- best word I can come up with. Also this second website (a gaming site -- my hobby) was done with frontpage/photodraw: www.toheroes.com

12-11-2002, 08:54 PM	#2
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	TEXT EDITORS FOREVER! I hate all wysiwyg editors. No exceptions. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

12-11-2002, 08:56 PM	#4
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	Same here... I tried both Dreamweaver and Dreamweaver MX and did not like them at all... too many useless things for basic html work. Frontpage might be simple, but it's solid and easy to work with. I won't show sample cuz there's too many copycats in here On the other hand, Photoshop is simply the best in the category. Last edited by the indigo; 12-11-2002 at 08:58 PM..

12-11-2002, 08:58 PM	#6
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Frontpage is not bad because it's "simple" - it's bad because it generates absolutely shitty code. Not just poorly formatted code - bloated, broken code. I can't tell you how many times I've had to "clean up" FPs crap. There's nothing wrong with using a GUI editor, and that's my only beef with it. Dreamweaver MX on the other hand is far more competent AND it generates good clean code. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

12-11-2002, 09:09 PM	#9
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Blah. I can't post it. But I love the font tags around your line breaks. It's why I hate all WYSIWYG editors and Frontpage in particular. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

12-11-2002, 09:08 PM	#8
FTVGirls So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,052	im eating crap too now.... ack old chinese food. It sinks in the wrong way.

12-11-2002, 09:57 PM	#11
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	Well I started my first webpage in 97 with a text editor, then soon found Netscape communicator editor, it really sucked Then found frontpage 97 and used that for 2 years. Then Frontpage 2000. and then one of our webdesigners bought Dreamweaver 3 into work and I instantly loved it. It just worked a little better than Frontpage 2000 for putting sites together. Now i'm a Dreamweaver MX FAN. I got Adobe Golive off the net and IT SUCKS BIG FAT HAIRY BALLS stay away from it. It is probably more stable than Dreamweaver, I have had a few occansions when editing other peoples downloaded sites it crashed dreamweaver but Adobe golive loaded it perfectly fine. But the designers of Golive have no fucking clue how to make a web editor. I mean its got so many damn functions and the learning curve just to do basic shit is huge, I have 2 screens, 1 with all there useless bars and tools on 1 side and the website on the other and even then it was slow and cumbersome. Dreamweaver MX forever, its basic, FAST, doesn't have excess loads of shit and has a fantastic built in replace option. Frontpage 2000 still puts pages together but if your doing complicated HTML with mulitple tables inside tables Dreamweaver would be my choice. Your sites not bad but dude, get Adobe photoshop its what 99% of what people use so why bother with something else? I'm sure you can download it off the net if you don't have it already. Sammy

12-11-2002, 10:04 PM	#12
DirkMagnum Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: behind your monitor Posts: 145	vi > * but i break down and use dreamweaver from time to time

12-11-2002, 10:06 PM	#13
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	Nice title action, Keywords for a title, so professional. :> Also, putting text in size=1 and same colour as background. Yeah, Gotta love search engine spamming for keywords. Yes, that is what most search engines consider that. No wonder your main page has a link popularity of 2 and the other pages 1. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

12-11-2002, 10:10 PM	#14
SetTheWorldonFire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 7,444	Dreamweaver seems to be the tool that most designers use. No shitty code and weird shit that can only be edited frontpage. more importantly compatability. You wanna be a designer or make a design that will be edited by someone else...then use Dreamweaver. Otherwise, Frontpage is ok. __________________ www.STWOFDesign.com hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzle

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12-11-2002, 10:47 PM	#17
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12-11-2002, 10:55 PM	#18
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Abbey, With text editors there is no interface to see the page in real time. You are writing straight code. You have to visualize in your mind what is happening with the page look as you do your coding. I use Note Tab Pro when I'm in a total text mood and Dreamweaver MX and a few others when I'm in the WYSIWYG mode. There is nothing wrong with using Frontpage FTV, your site looks great. But FrontPage does often generate code that looks good when you do it, but messed up with non microsoft browsers. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

12-11-2002, 11:26 PM	#19
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12-12-2002, 12:15 AM	#20
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	i know front page will fuck up your affiliate code. __________________ kevinl

12-12-2002, 10:04 AM	#21
Shark Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 205	I don't use wysiwyg editors either but for those that do, in the sitepronews.com newsletter this morning there was an article on the advantages of using Frontpage and it detailed "fixes" that stop Frontpage from reformatting your code. The article is online at http://www.sitepronews.com/