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alias · 09-23-2009, 08:30 AM

50 whiners

BradM · 09-23-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I love how worked up everyone gets LOL. It's funny one post like this and the "this is why I'll never work with Twistys posts come out". LOL The reason you'll never work with Twistys is because you are a surfer with no traffic

Yep exactly. I have the same problem with GFYers. So quick to bitch they can't make money so approach them with some tips or ideas and they go "lol j/k I own a small tgp I haven't updated since 2004 lol"

Or they are just idiots. No loss here dude.

Agent 488 · 09-23-2009, 08:39 AM

how many are going to pull the brazzers/juggcash links and gals? zero.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 08:41 AM

The Reality is tubes changed this business forever. Did they make it easier? HELLLLL NO! Do I wish they went away? Sure. Do I wish tgps and free porn never came out? SURE. But it's here. It's not going anywhere.

As many of you know we run a number of tube sites. The tube business model is very sustainable. I don't agree with the way many other tube sites are run. However here we are two years later. They are still running and still seem to be doing well. Most of the sponsors here are working with the bigger tube sites in one way or another. I don't see why Eric should be attacked for this. If it's ok for gfy sponsors to work with the tube sites why can't gfy? If everybody had refused to work with them then that would be one thing. But that's not the case.

Disclaimer: I should mention I'm going to be with Eric all of the next week and this thread is straight up bros4bros 2009

(It's a joke it's ok to laugh)

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

how many are going to pull the brazzers/juggcash links and gals? zero.

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

The Reality is tubes changed this business forever.
As many of you know we run a number of tube sites. The tube business model is very sustainable. They are still running and still seem to be doing well.

True dat.

Sig.

MVT · 09-23-2009, 08:53 AM

so shap, can i use your content to deliver new members to my site then? i know your going to say "no" but its 2009 and they have been doing it for 2 years, so why cant we just have a free for all with everyones content?

Why pay for a site when I can take your stuff and bill what I want for it?

I have always thought of you as someone who protects his brand / market but I now see that it is everyone for themselves.

make your today $, forget about tomorrows $ right?

czarina · 09-23-2009, 08:53 AM

<<<< business woman

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MVT

so shap, can i use your content to deliver new members to my site then? i know your going to say "no" but its 2009 and they have been doing it for 2 years, so why cant we just have a free for all with everyones content?

Why pay for a site when I can take your stuff and bill what I want for it?

I have always thought of you as someone who protects his brand / market but I now see that it is everyone for themselves.

make your today $, forget about tomorrows $ right?

To be honest I don't think short term. I look at the long term picture. I'm always thinking about tomorrow's $$$. That is why we've invested (and are investing) heavily in both our paysite division and our free site division.

We are doing what we can to protect our content. DMCA is what keeps these guys going. I'm sure they'd say they didn't make the rules they are just playing by them.

MVT · 09-23-2009, 09:07 AM

ok, so based on that logic that you just said why do you fund (directly and indirectly) to pay their bills? I know if you stop someone else will and thats that the shitty part but when all the laws change (if they do) you will be able to have a steady flow of real traffic sources not the illegal ones..

Joins are still out there without tubes (points at his statsremote just to check lol) just who you choose to sleep with now means a whole lot more..

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MVT

ok, so based on that logic that you just said why do you fund (directly and indirectly) to pay their bills? I know if you stop someone else will and thats that the shitty part but when all the laws change (if they do) you will be able to have a steady flow of real traffic sources not the illegal ones..

Joins are still out there without tubes (points at his statsremote just to check lol) just who you choose to sleep with now means a whole lot more..

I've usually been the guy that sits on the sidelines taking a moral stance and watches others get rich. Cross sales, banging cards, spam, etc etc. I took advice from a Mr Brad Shaw and got off my Moral High Horse and decided to do what's best for my company and making money. In the case of tube sites we decided a long time ago we felt it was better to control the use of our content and work with them than not control it and fight them.

Btw these traffic sources aren't illegal. As long as they delete the videos once they get a dmca notice and as long as they are uploaded by surfers they are legal. The big problem is the biggest company online is doing exactly the same thing. Google. DMCA law is what it is and adult tube sites won't cause that law to get changed imo.

Hotrocket · 09-23-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I've usually been the guy that sits on the sidelines taking a moral stance and watches others get rich. Cross sales, banging cards, spam, etc etc. I took advice from a Mr Brad Shaw and got off my Moral High Horse and decided to do what's best for my company and making money.

Funny you use Brad as the one that made you decide to take the low road...I guess you missed his thread over on JBM a cpl days ago where he declared he has refused to take the $ from these guys for skinning JBM..several times.

LOL

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrocket

Funny you use Brad as the one that made you decide to take the low road...I guess you missed his thread over on JBM a cpl days ago where he declared he has refused to take the $ from these guys for skinning JBM..several times.

LOL

I saw his thread and laughed. I'm surprised that that is where he draw's the line. A lot of people want to point a finger at why business is where it is today. Tubes are the easiest target. They aren't the only cause.

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I took advice from a Mr Brad Shaw and got off my Moral High Horse and decided to do what's best for my company and making money. In the case of tube sites we decided a long time ago we felt it was better to control the use of our content and work with them than not control it and fight them.

seeric · 09-23-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

You know, I agree and all and I too dislike the way tubes came out. BUT fact is they are not going away anytime soon! Hardly anybody is doing anything about it besides crying on GFY for the last 2 years

Innovate or die!!!!

from what i recall, weren't there even people who went drastically out of their way oh, say 2.5 years ago and spent lots of money out of their own pockets to get as many of the the biggest people that they could together in a room to unite and organize something to thwart all the the stolen content efforts from the very beginning, only to find that you can't unite a bunch of renegades and self proclaimed corporate conjecturists? i think they stopped wasting their time on people who the efforts weren't best invested in. those people have stopped caring about people who don't have it in them to do something. not sure if anyone else remembers. that's how i remember it anyhow.

good luck to one and all.

kristin · 09-23-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I know I'm being a dick about it. You guys have been crying about the same fucking thing for the past 2 years. CRY CRY CRY how many of you have done anything about it? How come none of you complain when it's a Brazzers skin? Why is a traffic junky skin a problem?

While you guys have been crying and doing nothing these tubes are cranking millions in profits and meanwhile I imagine most of you are seeing your businesses dwindle away.

The reason people didn't go crazy over the Brazzers skin is because they didn't come out and say they represented PornHub, Tube8 and Keez.

Traffic Junky did and then turned their head to it and just say that people should cash in anyways to get their traffic. Kinda like selling your soul.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

from what i recall, weren't there even people who went drastically out of their way oh, say 2.5 years ago and spent lots of money out of their own pockets to get as many of the the biggest people that they could together in a room to unite and organize something to thwart all the the stolen content efforts from the very beginning, only to find that you can't unite a bunch of renegades and self proclaimed corporate conjecturists? i think they stopped wasting their time on people who the efforts weren't best invested in. those people have stopped caring about people who don't have it in them to do something. not sure if anyone else remembers. that's how i remember it anyhow.

good luck to one and all.

Absolutely. This industry is about immediate ROI.

Agent 488 · 09-23-2009, 09:54 AM

everyone knows brazzers = pornhub = traffic junky. if you didn't you've had your head up your ass.

Carmine Raguso · 09-23-2009, 09:54 AM

Everyone and their grandmother on this fucking board (and others) wishes they had started the Keez, PornHub, Tube8, what-the-fuck-ever but they didn't. THEY DIDN'T. They missed the boat, plain and fucking simple.

Jealouse breeds envy. Envy breeds hate.

Step up your game or get the fuck out. Like Shap stated, the future is now.

There are no ands, ifs or buts about it.

If you don't like it? Continue what you are doing and cross your fingers your kids will eat. Then again, there is always an Arby's or Wendy's i'm sure looking for some extra help.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin

The reason people didn't go crazy over the Brazzers skin is because they didn't come out and say they represented PornHub, Tube8 and Keez.

Traffic Junky did and then turned their head to it and just say that people should cash in anyways to get their traffic. Kinda like selling your soul.

So not openly admitting what everybody knows means it's ok to skin the board. Once you admit the obvious it's not? This industry's rules are so funny.

Rule 1. Never steal from another company. Stealing from the clients is 100% cool. If you get caught blame an affiliate if that excuse is too old then blame a rogue employee until a better excuse comes out.

Rule 2. If you steal from another company deny that you own the site that is doing the stealing. People will believe you. Continue to deny. Ignoring threads and repeated denial works. NEVER admit you own it and you'll be fine.

Agent 488 · 09-23-2009, 09:58 AM

how many people are going to stop using google because they own some of the biggest threats to ip like youtube, not to mention google books and such. no one.

just the usual selective morality mob uprisings that people use to fill their days around here.

Traffic Junky · 09-23-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Shap-
lets not forget there are plenty of threads with you throwing a hissy fits on here.
Other than that, i'll hit you up and see what we can do.

Cheers mate,
Duke

I love dukedollars!! Hit me up we have plenty of traffic... if you don't want to buy it, I might even just throw in banners with an affiliate code, just cause I know it will convert

Same for you Shap, you know how well the tubes convert...stop hiding that secret

433156868

kristin · 09-23-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

So not openly admitting what everybody knows means it's ok to skin the board. Once you admit the obvious it's not? This industry's rules are so funny.

Rule 1. Never steal from another company. Stealing from the clients is 100% cool. If you get caught blame an affiliate if that excuse is too old then blame a rogue employee until a better excuse comes out.

Rule 2. If you steal from another company deny that you own the site that is doing the stealing. People will believe you. Continue to deny. Ignoring threads and repeated denial works. NEVER admit you own it and you'll be fine.

I'm not questioning who owns PornHube, Tube8, Keez, I'm just saying they didn't broadcast it. Hence the less backlash.

Carmine Raguso · 09-23-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Traffic Junky

I love dukedollars!! Hit me up we have plenty of traffic... if you don't want to buy it, I might even just throw in banners with an affiliate code, just cause I know it will convert

Same for you Shap, you know how well the tubes convert...stop hiding that secret

433156868

And he steps up to the plate! Business is evolving, I LOVE IT!

Shap · 09-23-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin

I'm not questioning who owns PornHube, Tube8, Keez, I'm just saying they didn't broadcast it. Hence the less backlash.

In this industry nothing is reality unless you admit it. DENY DENY DENY. you can do whatever you like as long as you do that.

My problem is I can't lie. If I'm asked a question I answer it honestly.

Cyber Fucker · 09-23-2009, 10:12 AM

:321gfy

ProG · 09-23-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MVT

so shap, can i use your content to deliver new members to my site then? i know your going to say "no" but its 2009 and they have been doing it for 2 years, so why cant we just have a free for all with everyones content?

Why pay for a site when I can take your stuff and bill what I want for it?

I'm already downloading the last 6 months of Twistys updates for my new tube.

Carmine Raguso · 09-23-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ProG

I'm already downloading the last 6 months of Twistys updates for my new tube.

Rapidshare that shit

Brujah · 09-23-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

In this industry nothing is reality unless you admit it. DENY DENY DENY. you can do whatever you like as long as you do that.

My problem is I can't lie. If I'm asked a question I answer it honestly.

Are you still threatening to sue people with _____tube.com domains?

Carmine Raguso · 09-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Are you still threatening to sue people with _____tube.com domains?

Quentin · 09-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

My problem is I can't lie. If I'm asked a question I answer it honestly.

OK, I'll bite.

Do you honestly believe that all the content on the "legit" tube sites is uploaded by end-users, and none of it is uploaded by employees, agents or assigns of the entities that run the tube sites?

Me neither.

- Q.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

OK, I'll bite.

Do you honestly believe that all the content on the "legit" tube sites is uploaded by end-users, and none of it is uploaded by employees, agents or assigns of the entities that run the tube sites?

Me neither.

- Q.

Nope. But I honestly believe they are managing it in a way that nobody could prove otherwise

ProG · 09-23-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Nope. But I honestly believe they are managing it in a way that nobody could prove otherwise

Yes, having a user named "Anonymous" that uploaded 20,000 videos without watching a single one is some really ingenious management.

datatank · 09-23-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

If So Let's HOOK UP in Amsterdam

I can't believe all the bitching and moaning, on here, these past two days. Now I haven't wasted any time actually reading the threads

that would be silly. It's pretty obvious what everybody is crying about. I have one question for you guys, have you seen anybody of relevance and of significant size complaining in those threads? My guess would be no. Anyhow don't mind me I'm just shameless self-promoting my own cause

I've had a bunch of emails looking to get together in Amsterdam. I'm going to reply to you all in the next 2 days ;) Anybody else looking to get together to discuss business hit me up

For everyone else? WOW JUST WOW! I've Seen It ALL!!!

Seriously STFU and get to work

Pretty funny . Just a few years ago you were the one posting all this crazyness and worrying about everyone elses biz hehe.

No disrespect

alias · 09-23-2009, 10:24 AM

Isn't this thread technically whining about whiners?

Shap · 09-23-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

Isn't this thread technically whining about whiners?

LOL Damn I think it is.

Brujah · 09-23-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

My problem is I can't lie. If I'm asked a question I answer it honestly.

Are you still threatening to sue people with _____tube.com domains?

Meeper · 09-23-2009, 10:30 AM

Shap hit me up, I would love to get together in Amsterdam and talk shop.

Quentin · 09-23-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Nope. But I honestly believe they are managing it in a way that nobody could prove otherwise

Well, through the magic of a legal process called "digital discovery" some of these tubes may one day get to find out how infallible their surreptitious upload processes really are.

It's a brave new world out there in field of pretrial discovery. You might be surprised at the digital breadcrumbs people leave behind, and how many ways there are to find those breadcrumbs, if you deliver the right subpoena to the right people.

kristin · 09-23-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

In this industry nothing is reality unless you admit it. DENY DENY DENY. you can do whatever you like as long as you do that.

My problem is I can't lie. If I'm asked a question I answer it honestly.

Neither can I and I haven't lied in any of my statements. I simply offered my opinion as to why Brazzers didn't get slammed as much as Traffic Junky. Period.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

Well, through the magic of a legal process called "digital discovery" some of these tubes may one day get to find out how infallible their surreptitious upload processes really are.

It's a brave new world out there in field of pretrial discovery. You might be surprised at the digital breadcrumbs people leave behind, and how many ways there are to find those breadcrumbs, if you deliver the right subpoena to the right people.

I agree. Would be great if it happened.

L-Pink · 09-23-2009, 10:33 AM

A thief is a thief. Period.

Anyone who tries to justify business dealings with a known thief is pitiful.

Fuck you playboy. Fuck you gfy management. You are pitiful.

kristin · 09-23-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Nope. But I honestly believe they are managing it in a way that nobody could prove otherwise

LOL ... no way.

You ever looked to see if PornHub or Interhub was a WM of yours and look at their info? How about KeezMovies?

Brujah · 09-23-2009, 10:36 AM

Interesting. He doesn't want to answer. Maybe his inability to lie prevents him from admitting that he is still actively trying to take _____tube.com domains.

Furious_Male · 09-23-2009, 10:46 AM

The egos in this biz never seize to amaze me.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Interesting. He doesn't want to answer. Maybe his inability to lie prevents him from admitting that he is still actively trying to take _____tube.com domains.

We don't discuss legal matters publicly anymore ;)

Ok i'm off to the airport. see you guys in Amsterdam

Fletch XXX · 09-23-2009, 11:25 AM

be careful shap puff the magic dragon lives in amsterdam

selena · 09-23-2009, 11:28 AM

This thread reminds me of two other threads.

#1 - When Claire informed us that if you don't go to shows you are a nobody.

#2 When Tassy was repping some company, had a meltdown on a non-native English speaking affiliate, asking them exactly who they were, implying that they were nobody.

katdaddy · 09-23-2009, 11:59 AM

Shap you should come too Houston man 8P ... I havent been to any shows since 2007 anyways I always seem to miss meeting the Shap

will76 · 09-23-2009, 12:09 PM

Shap, I thought you were an idiot when you said how companies that used cross sales fucked their customers and you would never do it, and I still think you an idiot now that you think its great to do business with sites that only exist because they profit off of stolen content.

From one extreme to another and you still an idiot. Maybe one day you will find the middle (common sense).

09-23-2009, 08:30 AM	#51
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09-23-2009, 10:36 AM	#94
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09-23-2009, 08:39 AM	#53
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	how many are going to pull the brazzers/juggcash links and gals? zero.

09-23-2009, 08:41 AM	#54
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	The Reality is tubes changed this business forever. Did they make it easier? HELLLLL NO! Do I wish they went away? Sure. Do I wish tgps and free porn never came out? SURE. But it's here. It's not going anywhere. As many of you know we run a number of tube sites. The tube business model is very sustainable. I don't agree with the way many other tube sites are run. However here we are two years later. They are still running and still seem to be doing well. Most of the sponsors here are working with the bigger tube sites in one way or another. I don't see why Eric should be attacked for this. If it's ok for gfy sponsors to work with the tube sites why can't gfy? If everybody had refused to work with them then that would be one thing. But that's not the case. Disclaimer: I should mention I'm going to be with Eric all of the next week and this thread is straight up bros4bros 2009 (It's a joke it's ok to laugh)

09-23-2009, 08:53 AM	#57
MVT Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 117	so shap, can i use your content to deliver new members to my site then? i know your going to say "no" but its 2009 and they have been doing it for 2 years, so why cant we just have a free for all with everyones content? Why pay for a site when I can take your stuff and bill what I want for it? I have always thought of you as someone who protects his brand / market but I now see that it is everyone for themselves. make your today $, forget about tomorrows $ right?

09-23-2009, 08:53 AM	#58
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09-23-2009, 09:07 AM	#60
MVT Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 117	ok, so based on that logic that you just said why do you fund (directly and indirectly) to pay their bills? I know if you stop someone else will and thats that the shitty part but when all the laws change (if they do) you will be able to have a steady flow of real traffic sources not the illegal ones.. Joins are still out there without tubes (points at his statsremote just to check lol) just who you choose to sleep with now means a whole lot more..

09-23-2009, 09:54 AM	#68
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	everyone knows brazzers = pornhub = traffic junky. if you didn't you've had your head up your ass.

09-23-2009, 09:54 AM	#69
Carmine Raguso So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 2,158	Everyone and their grandmother on this fucking board (and others) wishes they had started the Keez, PornHub, Tube8, what-the-fuck-ever but they didn't. THEY DIDN'T. They missed the boat, plain and fucking simple. Jealouse breeds envy. Envy breeds hate. Step up your game or get the fuck out. Like Shap stated, the future is now. There are no ands, ifs or buts about it. If you don't like it? Continue what you are doing and cross your fingers your kids will eat. Then again, there is always an Arby's or Wendy's i'm sure looking for some extra help.

09-23-2009, 09:58 AM	#71
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	how many people are going to stop using google because they own some of the biggest threats to ip like youtube, not to mention google books and such. no one. just the usual selective morality mob uprisings that people use to fill their days around here.

09-23-2009, 10:33 AM	#92
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	A thief is a thief. Period. Anyone who tries to justify business dealings with a known thief is pitiful. Fuck you playboy. Fuck you gfy management. You are pitiful.

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09-23-2009, 11:28 AM	#98
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09-23-2009, 12:09 PM	#100
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Shap, I thought you were an idiot when you said how companies that used cross sales fucked their customers and you would never do it, and I still think you an idiot now that you think its great to do business with sites that only exist because they profit off of stolen content. From one extreme to another and you still an idiot. Maybe one day you will find the middle (common sense). __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue