You're fucking dense buddy. A public option will enable the exact opposite of what you're describing. If they pass something without that public option, then you're right. But the congress won't pass that. Don't forget, we elected the evil libruls to run congress. Teabaggers are only the majority at frat parties. Glen Beck aside, most of the country is made up of human beings who can understand simple facts.

Sooner than later, we will have a public option. And yes, this will quickly destroy all private insurance companies, Barack Obama corporate pussies not withstanding. And then BOOM! We have nationalized healthcare... like every sane, industrial country on this tiny planet.


We will have healthcare before Sudan does! oh ten!!!

Oh really? You think they give a shit about you? Hell they are about to give corporations the ability to donate directly to campaigns. They are giving corporation more rights and all the while taking more of yours away. And you think I'm dense? lol

I guess you missed the deficit news. Also, I believe if you compare tax rates you will notice they pay more.

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So, in order to provide this "Canadian style" health care we would have to significantly raise taxes to pay for it. I think if we are raising taxes the money should be used to pay down the existing debt, not to make an excuse for a new one.

Once that is taken care of we can discuss new ways to spend.

Ya, pay down the dept, kill grandpa. Awesome. I wish I had an A in my first year economics class like you fucking silky useless boners.

Is it still impolite to call people like this retards? It shouldn't be. No offense to retards.

Keep posting charts, badbrain. Canadians will keep sending their poor grandmothers to the doctor when she needs it. I'm sure your point will prevail.

We need a new word for people who are this thoughtless and heartless at the same time. "Fox news fans" will have to do until someone more clever than I comes up with something.

This is how much they care about you and your future

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m1VbGcaVvFM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CejlvDU5Hkw

Just a few examples

Wow, I hope those clips feature crazy assholes talking about things they are not qualified in any way to discuss. Hey, I'm in luck!

Not qualified? lol Those guys have been right all along while the people you think are looking out for ya are picking your pockets.

You are an asshole for thinking that anyone is looking out for "you". Fuck, you people are stupid. Some things are simple. For example, the reason than Norway is able have have better health care than the United States of fucking America. Profit is the reason asshole, not whatever nonsense your twelse year old kid can be convinced to believe. "Death panels are the problem!" Fucking Psychos.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to buy Dick Armey/Fox News' version of reality. Sad to see how many of these people exist. We should have never given the confederate states the vote after we beat the shit out of them like the little cock sucking pussies that they are. Sadly it seems like a lot of them want us to burn down their cities again to make the point set in. Horrifically, one day we may have to do it again.

Bottom line:

A health care plan with a viable public option would represent a significant improvement over what we have now.

A health care plan without a viable public option would be far worse than what we have now.

So yeah, if it goes down like you're predicting, then we're all fucked.

I'm still holding out some hope that congress will get it right though.

Everyone should just calculate insurance as a mandatory expense....and just have ins. and pay and get on with it.....your car has ins. your house has ins, your body should be # 1 to have ins!!!!!!

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My kid is 13 and he can already see the bullshit better than you can. I don't have to convince him of anything.

He wants you so called dogooders to mind your own fucking business and affairs just like anyone else.

Not everyone has homeowners insurance and car insurance. Obviously we should have a universal, single payer health care system like every other industrial country on the planet. The reason we don't: too many fucking idiots who don't know corporate propaganda when it kicks them in the teeth and laughs about it. And then denies their claim to get their teeth fixed.

If they were just trying to make a simple health care policy which applies to everyone including Congress themselves across the board same price and that was it then I don't think anyone would argue. But that's not whats being done in any plan. Every one of them are hundreds if not thousands of pages chock full of bureaucratic and corporate favoritism bullshit.

Us "dogooders", I guess that is English, have done stupid things like expand the vote to women and minorities, create medicare despite crazy propaganda from guess who (morons like you), and basically bring about every other instance of social advancement in the history of mankind, over objections from reactionary simpletons who are trying to defend their caves (again, you).

Don't worry, we will eventually improve the health care system for you and your family, even though you are so stupid that you are fighting against yourself and for the corporations that I'm sure in your mind you believe you are opposing. The fucking morons always loose in the end, that's rule one. If we have to burn down every fucking city in the God damned south again, we will make this a decent country to live in, eventually. Racism and ignorance just can't win against progress and justice, no matter how much Glen Beck cries and Rush Limbaugh snorts.

omg, hundreds, even thousands of pages! Impossible for any mortal to read! The Tyranny!

Why am I arguing with this backwards jackass? Something about a dining room table is coming to mind.

Every member of Congress must be immortal (more like immoral) because they sure as hell don't read any bill they vote on. I bet your dumb ass believes they actually write the bills they introduce. Hell they probably don't even read those fuckers.

You're the one who is buying all of the corporate BS. They are biting their fingernails awaiting profit and loss guarantees. The bankers pulled this shit back in 1913 and have gotten away with it for nearly 100 years now. And people like yourself STILL don't get the fact that they have you bent over pounding your ass all day long.

Stupid, oversimplified bullshit.

"Oh my God, the federal reserve sucks my nuts, so we should oppose everything the government ever does!"

Wake up loony toon. You won't be quoting Alex Jones when you are picking up your social security check. Go teabag your wifesister and stop bothering people.

You do realize that chart is Missing Data?

You need to ADD your "CURRENT" health care costs to that chart. See, those other countries have that cost added in, we don't... and damn, ours is still that high?

Once you add in our health care costs as a tax, right now.. WE are taxed more than the majority.

US healthcare is based on "for profit businesses" ... the insurance companies, paying doctors and hospitals for their services. Sounds simple.

In practice however these insurance companies only motivation is profit NOT health care. As a result they only insure those they know they can make a profit from ... those less likely to need medical care.

Insurance companies are allowed to discriminate based on age, health, even the health of those related to you.

So what happens to those that were never insurable or those that are now not profitable enough to insure?

You young guys ..... I know the feeling of never thinking you will get sick or die. Well right now you probably won't, that's why they are taking your money. When they stop taking your money, what then? Or if you can't pay for some reason?

Final note: Insurance companies also charge doctors anywhere from $50,000 to $300,000 per year in malpractice insurance. That's a big nut to cover on a daily basis so every cover your ass test will be run, needed or not, cost be damned.


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Some people here are really short sighted. Everyone deserves health care. At the moment, it's too fucking expensive in the US. For all you fags saying it's not a problem, if you want it, work harder, you're seriously a dumb fuck (well, partially). People that have the lower class shitty jobs don't earn as much - but we should be grateful that people are willing to do those jobs. Otherwise the US would be a shit hole. Without people willing to do the lower paid jobs, how the fuck would America still be running? And because people are doing the shit job that you're not willing to do, but still needs to be done, you think they don't deserve healthcare? The prices are insane, I only pay 90 euros a month - like most people in The Netherlands. Health care here is pretty good, I'm proud to be living in a country that's not shortsighted and where health care is affordable for everyone and still good quality.

Give me one fucking good reason why this is bad and why you wouldn't it?

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I made thread about this.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=928804

yes, seniors on medicare are voicing much of the opposition to any health care reform claiming they want theirs but do not want any funds to go to others who may need it LOL

as if the "medicare" money was theirs to begin with! its sickening to see old dying and sick people claiming that others dont have the *right* to the same type of system they are abusing since they cannot afford their own health care and look to socialist programs like medicare.

there is nothing more ironic than old people holding signs that say "end socialism in America" and yet they are on MEDICARE!

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its why i made this image, its the most hypocritical things ive seen in politics ever!

GFY asshole, some of us can't find a fucking job cuz rich bitches dont knwo how to handle their money, and crash our economy. period.

It seems like everyone lives off creditcard money they don't have or can't pay back. Who the fuck is paying for all that? Seriously... America has been doing things all wrong. Everything is about status, what car you drive, how big your house is etc... It's disgusting.

Since I was like 14 I've wanted to move to a country where my tax money was actually put to use, and I benefitted from it at the same time. I am quite sick and tired of paying taxes on whatever I make, with bad teeth, a bad back, and migraines that would kill someone, and not being able to go to the doc to get fixed up the right way. No, they want me to keep coming back over and over and over again and to be honest I would rather pay the $10k to get married and have a nice wedding with and for my fiance like we want rather than pay these insanely high prices just to get a damn tooth looked at.

Fiance got sick last winter with something with her stomach real bad, they pumped her up with 2 bags of salt water, wasted 6 hrs of our time, and told her there was nothign wrong. Guess what the bill was. $2k.

Fuck this shitty health care we have in America. I wanna move to another country.

Its sad that were how many miles apart but think the exact same thing?

As far as material things goes, I like nice things yeah sure but it's not essential to my living. Right now I am in about the shittiest place and paying outrageous money for rent, but its a roof over my head whether I have to sit here and smell human shit 24/7 or not (septic tanks are bad, they fucking stink)

I was better off with my 1992 Olds that I had. We went and took a loan for a 2000 monte carlo and its blown 2 fuckin motors and The shop has had it more time than I have since I bought it, so yeah, I really dont care about nice things anymore, I want shit thats dependable.

ANd youre right, who pays for someone's debt when they file for bankruptcy here in america? Say I filed for bankruptcy on my Chase credit card. Well the interest Chase charges others will pay that. And so much of it happens that htey have to hike the shit out of the rates that opthers pay for interest.

Someone buy me plane tickets? Get me outta here?


I need 2 tickets LOL one for my fiance and I.

Come to Holland! 2k? That's crazy! How's she doing now?

There's quite a few places I would wanna go particularly aruba... how's health care there LOL or hell maybe jamaica.

Isnt holland cold?

She's okay now, We still dont knwo what it was but I tell you what it really is scary when she's crying for a whole week and a half and them fag fuck doctors say there's nothign wrong.

Because, sir, that is SOCIALISM

And I don't want Obama's socialism shoved down my throat by his evil Oligarhy

Then fucking move. Simple as that. At least this butt clown is actually calling out for something to change, show me where someone else tried makign things better.

Ronald Reagan succeeded in making America NUMBER ONE until all of his great work was undone by hippies like you.:mad::mad:

Christ. I would of imagined a conspiracy obessed loser like yourself wouldn't be any older than 22 as people tend to mature after that. I feel sorry for your son. You are raising him to believe what you want him to believe, what you think its the "real truth", not letting him think for himself. Which is exactly what you say world governments are doing.

Oh hell, keep your private health care. Keep making the insurance companies rich. They love you idiots who would rather dole out 500-1000/ month to them regardless if you never claim.

Quoted/repeated for truth. :thumbsup

My son doesn't worry about insurance his mother and I PAY for that. But do you want to know something he does have to worry about? Crohn's disease which was very likely caused by a vaccine required by the government run schools. What do I teach him? That he doesn't get everything he wants and what he does want he has to PAY for in most cases. And he does. If he wants to go out with his friends on Friday or Saturday he WORKS to pay for it. If he wants a new game for his PS3 he WORKS to pay for it. If he can't pay for it he either goes without or he cons one of the grandparents into buying it for him.. :1orglaugh He doesn't get exactly what he "wants" for Christmas. Like many kids this day and age his "wants" > expectations are generally much higher than they should be. So instead he has to pool his funds and buy what he "wants" afterwards. That's where another lesson is learned the act of shopping around so he gets more for his money. Do you see how that WORKS?

You obviously didn't ready what you quoted. Let me see if a second look at it might help you out.

"If they were just trying to make a simple health care policy which applies to everyone including Congress themselves across the board same price and that was it then I don't think anyone would argue. But that's not whats being done in any plan. Every one of them are hundreds if not thousands of pages chock full of bureaucratic and corporate favoritism bullshit."


So let me see if I can explain this to you again. My problem isn't about a new health care system in itself. My problem is it turning into a bureaucratic nightmare full of the very corporate giveaways you seem to think I support. Obama, your "health care cheerleader" has already inked deals to those companies securing their profits. That's the sort of thing I'm against.. All the while putting limits on what doctors an the alike can earn. Even going as far as saying that the doctors can't earn money outside the system without risk of losing their license.

And thus the schtick is revealed.

"Oligarhy".

Cute.

Everybody gets the reference, right. It's a 'famous' recent spelling error.

I don't get why this graph helps your argument... Why would "Canadian style" health care require more in the way of taxes.. look at the Canadian tax rate.. maybe 3% more personal, about 4% less corporate. To me it looks like overall they pay slightly less tax.. And Australia, Ireland, NZ etc which have universal health are taxed less (and don't force companies to pay for their employee's insurance etc).

couldn't figure it out either ...

Unless... he likes to :
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