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I didn't read the thread, or even look at the other options. I am a teabagger, nothing like a nice set of nuts in my mouth rolling around.
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One of the problems is that insurance and medical billing practices create a positive feedback loop that inflates the cost of healthcare.
One way to solve the problem would be to pass a law making it illegal to bill different rates to insurance customers and cash customers - thus cutting the positive feedback loop. However, this won't happen, because the insurance and medical corporations own congress thru the corruption of their privately funded electoral system. So, we are stuck with whatever health care costs and system the corporatists decide we are allowed to have - and we can be sure that whatever it is, it will make them richer at our expense. This is the point of the "bipartisan' proposal, which will require everyone to buy expensive coverage, and create a giant new federal enforcement and information collecting mechanism to ensure that everyone pays the required fees. |
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Baddog is just part of the problem. He has yet to offer an idea that makes any sense or something base in reality. He would rather take care of his ship and not help the people sinking on the other ship. |
Health care is a right.
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How many against health care reform don't shop and pay for their own health insurance?
If you get it thru your job you really have no idea what the issue is about. When you are below a certain age and work for a large company you are a cash-cow for the insurance industry. If you work for the government, city/state, you also have no clue. If members of the house and senate had to find their own insurance we wouldn't have this thread. . |
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fuck this. im going to stick up a bank. its a win/win. |
Being able to purchase insurance without prejudice should be a right.
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fiddy teabaggers with my nuts in their mouth?
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However, our seniors believe their medicare is a right. And our poor believe that their medicaid is a right. So the formulation, while incorrect, follows an already established model. The real question is, is controlling health care costs a legitimate government concern? Outlaw medicare and medicaid, and half the feedback loop is broken. Go ahead, outlaw it, that's fine with me. But that's another thing that will never happen. So the question is, why is it legitimate for government to pay ever spiraling amounts to private corporations for medicare and medicaid, and for the rest of us to pay ever spiraling rates to cover medical bankruptcies, but not legitimate for government to try to control those costs? |
I wonder how many people die waiting to get health care in the UK, Canada, etc. because the programs are underfunded and/or understaffed primarily because most of the money is spent on bureaucrats. I also wonder how many people will be fined and or tossed in jail because they couldn't pay their health insurance for some reason or another. I also wonder what kind of requirements the government will impose on the populace once they get the say so in your health affairs. Need our health insurance? Well we need you to take this shot.
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BTW the "teabaggers" aren't protesting health care for the most part. That term was coined by the media as those who were protesting the Fed and bailouts etc. But most groups banding together because they are sick of the government altogether.
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what ppl ? hehe
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"The free market will provide it" Huh?
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BTW, my sister's mother in law ( 87 years old ) fell at the supermarket, saturday of labor day weekend. She broke her hip. Ambulance came, brought her to St-Marys Hospital ( no need for insurrance, papers, all that shit ). I heard of it Saturday night, So I decided to visit her Sunday to try to cheer her up ( she was going to go in front of the " death " panels ... :) ). Got there at 3:00 PM : no one in the room ... shit !! did they terminate her ... ( :1orglaugh:1orglaugh) Asked the nurse ( maybe ashes are left ) where was Perry ? She was in the recovery room, following her OPERATION ( Sunday, of Labor day weekend, operated within 24 hours ) . AAfter 8 days in the hospital, they have transfered her to a rehabilitation home ( not your kind for criminals, but to get people better ) . She still is there, receiving treatment and excersices ... Don't know when she will be out. Total to pay : $ 0.00 Shit, what was your question already ?????? EDIT ; stop watching FIX NOISE .... it is bad for your ..... HEALTH !!!! |
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" Give us OUR country back ..." |
I pay for my own health insurance. If you can't afford to, it's time to stop 'blingin' and start paying on your Chase card.
It's not impossible to manage your fucking finances, or am I supposed to pay for that, too? |
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We took our cat in to the vet after we noticed she'd gone jaundiced overnight. The vet diagnosed it as major liver/kidney failure. The vet injected her with a saline to rehydrate her enough to take her home for the kids to say their goodbyes. The diagnosis was $120. The saline infusion was another $100. We had her put to sleep later that night - another $120...and then another $100 for a private cremation. $440 for a dead cat. :disgust |
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Whatever dude....Hopefully, you will see the light soon. |
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In fact because I have no health insurance and can?t buy any at any cost I am unable to mange my finances because a trip to the hospital will bankrupt me. No sense in having a savings they will just take it all away from me if I get sick. |
If an insurance company doesn't think they can make a profit off of you, you don't get the chance to buy insurance. Period.
EVERYONE here, EVERYONE, will someday be that person. Then what? Then you are an uninsured American. Just pray you are healthy until Medicaid kicks in. . |
It's more efficient if poor people just live until they get slightly sick, and then die quickly. If someone makes less than $10 per hour, it is not worth spending a penny to keep them alive. Just tell their children not to use condoms or have abortions, and the workforce will produce new, younger workers to take the place of the dead. Econ 101.
Stupid liburals crying about rights/justice is the biggest problem we face. Do not allow illegals or the uninsured to use emergency rooms, and you have a simple way to save billions. |
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Good point. America, the richest country of all time by far, can't afford what every industrial nation on earth pays for without debate. Again baddog, the well-intentioned moron, proves his genius. We can't afford it; yet Canada, our poor neighbor that we don't even debate paying billions to protect militarily, a country run by far-right religious conservatives... who would never even consider saying they can't afford to give every overweight diabetic alcoholic the best health care humanly possible. Why? Because you have to be a special king of selfish cunt to spend money on anything before every kid and grandma gets to see the doctor. But these right wing sociopaths would rather get rid of the inheritance tax for multi-millionaires than let the poor see a doctor once a year. These people should be institutionalized, not reasoned with. Brilliant work baddog. I'm glad you watched fox news for over ten minutes and read six sentences of Milton Friedman before coming to your well informed decision. Hopefully no one you know ever gets sick alongside having the horrible pre-existing condition of not being a millionaire. |
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Is there no chance for you to get Canadian citizenship? |
ah nevermind.
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It's pretty simple why the US spends so much. Profit. No other civilized country makes profit from health insurance. Not one. We do. End of story. As long as we want to continue having rich people make profit from the sick, our "health insurance" will always cost more than everyone else's. No matter how good Barack Obama is at giving speeches or how good Glen Beck is at crying like a baby. |
I dont know the answers, I just know that it sure seems to be fucked up.
I pay $502/month for PPO insurance for me & my 10yr old son. Its expensive but cant afford to not have it. |
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Do you know what your deductibles/co-pays are? If one of you gets cancer, or any other serious condition, will this plan keep you on? These are your main concerns... monthly payments are really irrelevant. Most people in desperate need of medical help in this country have insurance, they just can't afford to use it. |
Public option is a bunch of bull. All they want to do is pass a law to require everyone to have health insurance so the insurance companies get a huge influx of people on their plans. That's what it's been about all along and that's what we'll end up with. The insurance companies will spread the profits among their investors and write off the losses to the tax payer. Current premiums won't change much and if they do they'll be right back up where they were before you know it. It's the same game they are playing with the banking system. Nothing new. There's one thing you can guarantee, that is that the insurance companies are going to win in this either way and the people will get fucked.
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