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It takes intelligence to understand my posts... I forgive you due to your inability to comprehend English.

Try Andriol, its suppose to be a mild oral testosterone and if you are worries about you liver (although you should not be becuae the body is great at breaking down things unless you got some disease already) then use milk thistle

All of the diet and exercise in the world will not raise your testosterone levels significantly after they start to decline. Just like a bald man can't healthier and grow his hair back. Once it's gone, it's gone.

Aging men have an option (and so do post menopausal women) thanks to advancements in medicine today. Simply ACCEPT that they're old, worn out & tired (regardless of diet and exercise) or combat aging with an anti-aging protocol.

It is purely a quality of life issue, if you have no problems with aging and slowing down then you'd never need to bother. For others, it makes all the difference in the world.

just out of curiousity how much was the script uncovered?

If you compare a person who has worked out all their life at the age of say 60 with another guy who never has - there is a massive difference....

Anti ageing anit gonna do shit for you if you already are not looking after yourself.... there is no magic pill

Even steroids will not do anything for you if you do not train hard


First comes looking after yourself and then to compliment your hard work you can use other things to give you an "edge"

No, the NATURAL progression of life is that we would all be dead in our mid-30's

Are you going to accept that naturally when you have a heart attack you die? Or that if you caught strep throat...you die?

Of course not. You use modern science to stop that from happening. You use things everyday in your life that aren't part of the natural progression.

I for one enjoy LIVING my life. Not watching it become what I see in a lot of other men.

But to each his own. As I said earlier, there is no reason to look and feel like shit in this day and age. If I have a headache, I'll take an aspirin. If my testosterone levels are low then I'll raise them.

What's the point of living into our 70's and 80's in wheelchairs and respirators? Or like my grandfather, confined to a bed at age 88?

I plan on getting outdoors at that age and doing things and continuing working and fucking and LIVING. Not just existing.

But that's just my personality. To each his own. :)

Edit: And no, a man's body can NOT produce the needed levels of testosterone on it's own after a certain age. Testosterone levels begin decreasing around the age of 30 to 32 years of age and go down FAST.

The benefits of optimal hormone balance don't just stop at the gym. My mother does not work out at all, and hormone therapy has drastically changed her life. She is able to sleep throughout the night now, her migraine headaches (3 to 4 a week for years) have stopped (she's had 2 in 1 year now), she is much more stable emotionally and has a completely different outlook on life.

Have you ever come off a serious cycle w/o a PCT and crashed hard for several months? Do you remember how you felt (besides making 0 gains in the gym) when your testosterone levels were on the floor? Emotionally, cognitively, etc?

There is more to this than what you can get out of it at the gym. But I do agree, there is no magic pill and those that have been taking care of themselves from the beginning have will always carry an advantage over those that haven't.

Bottle of cyp is $150 a the pharmacy, $30 bucks after insurance.
and it beats that q-vet mexican shit for sure lol.
Duke

where or how can I find HGH to buy it online? a trustfull place?

I can buy test all day long that isn't vet stuff. Matter of fact it's the same exact stuff you get at the pharmacy with your prescription.

There are guys in eastern Europe who do that for a living. You order from them, they walk into their local drug store and buy it right over the counter (you can do the same thing in mexico, I bought some testosterone complete with syringes over the counter at the pharmacy at the airport down in Cancun)

Anyway, back to the European sellers...they simply go to the pharmacy and buy it because it's legal just about everywhere except our "free" country. And even after they add on their money to make a profit...I can still get that same vial of cyp for $40 delivered right to my home.

I had a buddy a couple of years ago who went down to Mexico and went to a bunch of different pharmacies and filled up a freakin' shampoo bottle with test. lol

You can get the same exact test for about $500 for a years supply on the black market. Same company making it, same packaging, same everything.

But as y'all know...we here in the U.S. are gouged by the medical lobbyists to make sure that EVERYTHING we buy is more expensive. From testosterone to antibiotics...people are more and more buying their pharmaceuticals from foreign countries.

We mark it up so much here, that foreigners can buy it in their own countries, jack it up nicely for a profit, and still sell it for a third of the prices we pay. :(

one might also argue that it requires some degree of intelligence to recognize that you have zero understanding of the subject on which you are commenting on

:2 cents:

that being said... my testosterone should be arriving tuesday. if you would pull your head out of your ass to listen to Robbie or Tical, you might learn something... but you're too backwards, arrogant and bitter to care. you could actually dramatically improve your quality of life in every possible way. but you've resigned to breaking down and falling apart. thats your choice. its not mine. its obviously not theirs.

since you have no clue what you are talking about and really have no interest in the subject... there is not much point in explaining things to you.

and please... don't be a hypocritical now. when you get colon cancer or have a heart attack... just keep telling yourself "this is the natural progression of life" and die quietly so we don't have to hear about it. don't become a drug user. its not your place to play God with your health. you've made that clear. the rest of us will be busy improving our health and our overall quality of life. through diet/nutrition, exercise and hormone optimization

:2 cents:

In the $350 for 30 range.

it is a controlled prescription drug in the U.S., importing it can be a serious crime :2 cents:

if you are out of the U.S. and in many countries you have alot more options

I'm guessing you are talking about DNP, which is a drastic step to take to shred off the last bits of body fat under the skin, it can be pretty toxic...... most of us consider health to be more important than having paper thin skin covering their 8 pack abs :2 cents:

First, we aren't talking about death... you aren't going to die from not having it.

People didn't "always" live only into the 30's.. that's nothing more than example of how bad health/life was for awhile. And again, we aren't talking about living, you would alive if you didn't take it.

After all it is a newer drug and it's not like people JUST started to live older, due to this.

Chances are if you NOTICE the problems this early, you have a disorder called: hypogonadism Which is often over looked and happens due to chemical balance in the brain due to the foods you eat.

....Unless "you have a REAL medical problem." Like a disease of some type.

Taking hormone can cause: Acne, high cholesterol, shrunken testicles and liver damage. Some types may they increase your risks of prostate cancer and heart disease.


You CAN increase them naturally. Look it up.

milk thistle was proven not to do JACK for your liver. NAC is the way to go these days. Andriol is probably what she was prescribed to begin with. ^ +1 d-null u got it man DNP, shit gives you brown sweats

I've been taking saizen 2 i.u.'s per evening.

MOST of the people in this thread aren't taking it because they are old (and as I have clearly stated, SOME do need it for medical reasons) Rather people here are doing it because they are fat, lazy and eat like trash. (or want to get bigger) And using Old Age as excuse for being lazy.


When I get MUCH older and "actually am at risk for a heat attack due to my levels" then I will take it, if the doctor suggests it. Otherwise, I will change my life style first... <-- always, for just about ANY medical condition.


"You people taking this to 'feel better' need to wake up to your addiction problem." You are taking it to FEEL BETTER --- NOT live longer. If you want to feel better, get off your lazy ass.

Leave me your email and I will forward you some information on how I am buying it.

That is the exact reason I started the therapy. 2 iu's per day is a low dose compared to the "body building" daily dose. I do it to feel better and it IS working for me.

All that is true. (see the very first post) and I've been injecting for 60 days now.

Sorry man, that is BULLSHIT, but it's a great story.

lol Why do say this is bullshit?

Thats a bit low isn't it?

HGh works best with Inslulin..... but you can also take it half an hour beofre eating something then take some fast acting carbs and then the sugar spike should trigger your natural insluin levels maybe thats would create the prefect amounts of hormone for HGH.... I cannot remeber.

Bump up the iu's to 6 a day 2iu's x 3 a day

2iu's is a bit low to see those drastic changes and only in 60 days........

For bodybuilding.....yes, it is low from what I understand. But, for just feeling better, healthier, etc... (I'm 45 6'3 and was 270) it is fine for what I wanted (per the doctor). Actually, he recommended I take 3 i.u's, but I can only afford 2 per day.

Whatever. I have no reason to lie or exaggerate. Those are my results thus far. You have no reason to say what I have said is Bullshit.

not necessarily, especially if his own endogenous hgh levels were near zero


for a young guy with normal hgh levels already, you are correct and he would likely see no difference, but for a guy that has extremely low levels naturally he is much more likely to notice positive effects much sooner :2 cents:


same goes for testosterone, if you give a young guy with normal levels a 200mg shot of cypionate per week, he will likely notice absolutely nothing for the first couple of weeks, but give the same shots to a guy with hypogonadism that is producing nearly zero natural testosterone and he will notice a change in a matter of a couple of days :2 cents:

I did not know that his HGH levels wre totally depleted...

who is to say for sure, but you should always consider that there may be possibilities you haven't thought about before assuming that a guy is wrong when he tells you of his experience


endocrinology is a very complex science, with many hormonal interactions that we don't necessarily understand, what works for one person might not have any effect in another person, it is very individual and there are a million variables that make it important to not generalize

Thank you.

Well if that's the case, congrats. :)

thank him for what? joining you in going along with your blinders on and not considering more than your narrow frame of possibility? :upsidedow

Okay, but you should also consider that it could be phychological changes rather than rel changes... as you said, there are too many unknown variables in this story, so unless we take the subject and do tests on him to establish his body makeup and hormone profle at the moment we are all just having a good conversation that cannot be concluded correctly based on this one person who we knwo nothing about.

Its been a great chat though....

Hello - no one said it was bullshit, it is still my opinion the those levels are low..... however if you had great results on those dosages then great

If I thought you were chatting shit then I would have said it.

If there are all pros and no cons why is the sale of it so regulated? There are no easy answers in life, in my opinion, and this just seems way too easy. There has to be a downside.

This thread is useless without before and after pics.

You have to watch for recrimps. Also, the sterility comes into play. Yea the mex stuff aint bad, it's just not sterile.
Duke

I wouldnt trust any place online :(
Duke

BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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