yes I did:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032802066.html

Every single POW that was tortured in Vietnam...that survived being tortured...gave the enemy what they wanted...which was to make propaganda videos...and sign propaganda statements...this according to Senator McCain...who stated that he was not a hero...only those few that died without complying were heroes. So torture does work.

Of course they were actually tortured...not the weak methods that have been in the news that are being called...by some...to be torture. As I have stated...the thousands of military people...including myself...that have been through SERE have had the same methods and worse used upon us.

I hope you reported this to the ACLU!!

Wikipedia is the closest thing you ever got to combat, so STFU

You have a brain defect .... or just plain stupid. A thread is spoiled from the moment you touch your keyboard :2 cents:

look you fucking retard. believe it or not... more than one person in the history of the CIA has been captured/arrested/detained and interrogated.

you are talking about ONE quote about ONE person and ONE set of events/circumstances and using the word "ALL" and "EVERY" and "NEVER" to imply the CIA said something they didn't about general practices as they applied to 1000's of interrogations.

dipshit.

sleep well pussy. don't worry. someone is out there getting their hands dirty to protect your retarded ass no matter how you feel about it... just as there are people out there planning to kill you and everyone you know because you don't share the same religious beliefs they do.

says the guy who is thoroughly obsessed with bashing another country and can't say anything without sounding like a broken record

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it was ONE example. You asked for a link, and I gave you one.
Its not like you will change your mind even if I posted 10 links.

Your friend Cheney is pissed that Obama will look in to the facts. I am not a Obama fan, but I am glad that they will look in to the FACTS, to see how many lies Cheney came up with

In my twelve years with the 82nd Airborne Division...I participated in Operation Urgent Fury...Operation Just Cause...was among the very first of 2500 troops sent to Saudi Arabia...during Operation Desert Shield...and Operation Desert Storm...which is where my military career ended. As for you trolls that are soothsayers (ignorant fruitcakes) I don't really give a damn Charlotte...what you believe or think.

you said (among other things) "FACT: Torture dont work. The only thing that works in Intelligence. Those are not my words, but the words out of agencies like CIA and FBI."

and similar remarks and used one case as an example where you believe it supports your point. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean it doesn't work and the CIA is certainly not telling you that or admitting to that as you are suggesting.

the CIA/FBI have NOT adopted the official position that enhanced interrogation techniques "don't work" ... only you have.

I was with the Green Beret special unit batallion commando airborne tactic specialist unit batallion. Yeah it was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange. That was my name, Agent Orange. Specialist Agent Orange, that was me.

Human waste.

I am not against torturing scumbags , the problem is, it turns out that alot of the people captured as scumbags turned out not to be scumbags.. This kind of mistake breeds the violence we are trying to stop.

The problem is when we bypass the laws, theres a reason why they are there, some people need to think about that and how we got here, not by bypassing them.

Posting gory pictures is idiotic to support your cause , especially when your side has been responsible for most of the gore..

It is my understanding that the Attorney General has begun an investigation to determine if any laws were broken...maybe you can assist him and identify for him what specific law/laws were broken.

Pleasurepays is drinking the coolaid by the gallon..

Even after it was exposed that Cheney and co. used torture to get the answers they wanted , to justify war, to link Alqaeda and Saddam... An iraq war later, a million+ Iraqi deaths, thousands of american soldiers dead... Suckers ask for more!! Keep us safe!!! And gullibly believe that their leaders do all of this for them, to keep them safe... lol.. PNAC, educate yourself.. But the joke is that half a million illegals come across the unprotected south border every year..:1orglaugh yeah, terrorists would never think of entering there right?

So then the liars tell the population that torture prevented terrorist attacks... but who would believe liars?

we were talking about american military treatment not "suitable methods of interogation".

As far as i am aware we never detained the people responsible for the berg beheading. I am also unaware of any milk and cookies torture..

Let me ask you this.. Have terrible murders always taken place ? like 20 years ago , 50 years ago ?

So why would our methods need to change to become unlawfull in order to stop unlawfullness ?

The problem is when you circumvent the laws that protect us, with the goal of protecting us..

I am all for torture, boil their balls in oil , screwdriver through the skull, but lets do it legally and properly so as not to torture innocent people.

If theres a reason to torture someone then it needs to be brought before a judge in the open so we all know who is being tortured and why.

You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette......


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After seeing that one guy get his head sawed off.....fuck em...fuck em hard and slow

hmm lets see , an illegal detention center , with people being held and tortured for years with no charges.. some are sooo dangerous they now work on public golf courses ..

hmm can't see anything illegal about that lol

So after timothy mcveigh blew up 19 children and 150 adult, its OK to shoot people that were in the army?

You saying or thinking that something is illegal...does not make it illegal now does it? The people have been held without charges because of challenges made in the Supreme Court...as you should know the wheels of justice turn slowly. Educate me and provide me with the source of your information that people have been tortured for years.

As I said the Attorney General has begun an investigation to determine IF any laws have been broken...help him out and provide him with the specific laws that you think have been violated.

If after an investigation the special prosecutor concludes that laws were broken...there will be challenges made in the Supreme Court...so there will probably be another few years go by before anything is ultimately determined

no more than you saying its legal makes it legal ..

If i witness someone chopping off someone's head , it doesn't make it illegal just because i think or say its illegal , its illegal because there are laws against murdering people.


so its okay to commit illegal acts as long as you attempt to make them legal after you have comitted illegal acts..


ever heard of the news ??

search for "guanatamo tortured years" on google , pick from any of the hundreds of links.

here is the first one i found..

"US agents at Guantanamo Bay tortured a Saudi man suspected of involvement in the 11 September attacks, the official overseeing trials at the camp has said.
"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7828126.stm

can't get much clearer than that can you... straight from the horses mouth..

p.s. he is still being held , although they have dropped all charges.


take a look through this funny obscure document known as the united states constitution, or another funny document called the geneva conventions

Maybe they should start there. Those documents seem to have helped in the past..:winkwink:

Strange how showing dissent on an illegal war is " bashing "

- no WMD
- no imminent threat
- no links to Al Quaeda
- no links to 9/11
- war did not pay for itself, as promised
- were not greeted with flowers as liberators
- was not a walk in the " park "
- screwed up your economy as well as damaged others
- ....

That is bashing ....

But packing town hall meetings, screaming over people, high jacking information session ... that is PATRIOTIC ....


The Dems should have down what YOUR side did during the war buildup :

- screen before hand all attendees
- park protester in cages a few miles away
- Strip search and detain people that slipped thru showing buttons or signs
- Pressurize the " liberal " media to run the ' embedded " reports, or nothing
- .....

You want people bashing america : turn on Fox News !

no.. the fact that you have little to say unless its something negative about the USA. anyone on this board besides you will most likely agree with that. you're obsessed and its a little bizarre.

A very accurate critique...his life seems to be centered around posting anything and everything negative about the USA.

In oher words...you cannot cite specific laws that have been violated. BTW...eight weeks of interrogation does not equal years of torture as you stated. In addition no where have I stated what is legal or illegal. My expertise is not in what is legal or illegal as I have never studied law...been an attorney...or been a judge...or acted as a friend of the court. Unlike you I have to rely upon whatever the Supreme Court decides is legal or illegal...is constitutional or not.

oh snap...

Your right... I was wrong, I stand corrected..

That's a pretty sweeping generalization, don't you think? :1orglaugh

Hey, it's like this. The pendulum of public opinion regarding issues such as these change with the times. They always have and they always will.

If, god forbid, a terrorist strike kills a few hundred civilians in NYC, or Amsterdam or any other western city tomorrow you can bet your bippy that the public will be screaming for blood again.

It's up to the government's (any government's) security forces to keep a level head and deal with the shit as best they can. Sometimes they fuck up, like the clowns (amateurs really) who were staffing Abu Ghraib, but most of the time I really believe that they do the best they can.

actually in other words i can cite many i just figured you had some common sense. Assault, kidnapping, torture for starters, those are specific.. anyone with half a brain who isn't dancing around an excuse can think of dozens, use your noggin.


the judge called it torture not interrogation , get your facts straight..

interogation is where i say "where were you at 9:00 pm" torture is when i dress you up in womens clothing and have dogs attack you



Thats fairly apparent.


funnily enough thats the exact same people who make my laws, and we all know what the constitution says about keeping people detained with no charges right.. I'll quote for you the interesting parts that you seem to have amnesia about :winkwink:


In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.



but i know what excuse you will likely use next... they aren't americans so we can trample all over the constitution. So lets trample on some international law then.. from the geneva conventions

Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity.



So to violate either of those is "unlawfull" and you would have to be brain dead or delusional to read those and think whats happening doesn't violate it. Or maybe you dont understand the meaning of "protected especially against ALL ACTS OF VIOLENCE"

Either way whats happening and has happened in guantanamo is unlawfull with our laws and international laws we have agreed to abide by.

Wow, what a fucking thread. I fully support our troops in taking ANY means necessary to gather what ever information they need to do their job. When the enemy will hack a persons head off to prove a point they deserve no mercy whatsoever. All is fair in war!

Yes it was, and I did it to point out just how fucking stupid his "After seeing that one guy get his head sawed off.....fuck em" comment was

no problem

While we argue about the details of all this, the fat cats that profit off of war sit back and keep counting their ever-growing stockpile of money and power, behind the scenes, laughing at us while we get caught up arguing over what amounts to distractions that keep us from focusing on the big picture.

Left or right, hippie or soldier, it makes no difference, we're all being played like pawns.

so you would have no problems with the "troops" kidnapping and torturing your mother and father ? remember the "enemy" hacked off a guys head, all is fair right..

Let me guess, its ok when its someone else's father but when it's your father , you prob would want some proof , or a trial or something right..

this thread is ripe with

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any time i see adult webmasters posting about their military experience, i think of this

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