If after an investigation the special prosecutor concludes that laws were broken...there will be challenges made in the Supreme Court...so there will probably be another few years go by before anything is ultimately determined

no more than you saying its legal makes it legal ..

If i witness someone chopping off someone's head , it doesn't make it illegal just because i think or say its illegal , its illegal because there are laws against murdering people.


so its okay to commit illegal acts as long as you attempt to make them legal after you have comitted illegal acts..


ever heard of the news ??

search for "guanatamo tortured years" on google , pick from any of the hundreds of links.

here is the first one i found..

"US agents at Guantanamo Bay tortured a Saudi man suspected of involvement in the 11 September attacks, the official overseeing trials at the camp has said.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7828126.stm

can't get much clearer than that can you... straight from the horses mouth..

p.s. he is still being held , although they have dropped all charges.


take a look through this funny obscure document known as the united states constitution, or another funny document called the geneva conventions

Maybe they should start there. Those documents seem to have helped in the past..:winkwink:

Strange how showing dissent on an illegal war is " bashing "

- no WMD
- no imminent threat
- no links to Al Quaeda
- no links to 9/11
- war did not pay for itself, as promised
- were not greeted with flowers as liberators
- was not a walk in the " park "
- screwed up your economy as well as damaged others
- ....

That is bashing ....

But packing town hall meetings, screaming over people, high jacking information session ... that is PATRIOTIC ....


The Dems should have down what YOUR side did during the war buildup :

- screen before hand all attendees
- park protester in cages a few miles away
- Strip search and detain people that slipped thru showing buttons or signs
- Pressurize the " liberal " media to run the ' embedded " reports, or nothing
- .....

You want people bashing america : turn on Fox News !

no.. the fact that you have little to say unless its something negative about the USA. anyone on this board besides you will most likely agree with that. you're obsessed and its a little bizarre.

A very accurate critique...his life seems to be centered around posting anything and everything negative about the USA.

In oher words...you cannot cite specific laws that have been violated. BTW...eight weeks of interrogation does not equal years of torture as you stated. In addition no where have I stated what is legal or illegal. My expertise is not in what is legal or illegal as I have never studied law...been an attorney...or been a judge...or acted as a friend of the court. Unlike you I have to rely upon whatever the Supreme Court decides is legal or illegal...is constitutional or not.

oh snap...

Your right... I was wrong, I stand corrected..

That's a pretty sweeping generalization, don't you think? :1orglaugh

Hey, it's like this. The pendulum of public opinion regarding issues such as these change with the times. They always have and they always will.

If, god forbid, a terrorist strike kills a few hundred civilians in NYC, or Amsterdam or any other western city tomorrow you can bet your bippy that the public will be screaming for blood again.

It's up to the government's (any government's) security forces to keep a level head and deal with the shit as best they can. Sometimes they fuck up, like the clowns (amateurs really) who were staffing Abu Ghraib, but most of the time I really believe that they do the best they can.

actually in other words i can cite many i just figured you had some common sense. Assault, kidnapping, torture for starters, those are specific.. anyone with half a brain who isn't dancing around an excuse can think of dozens, use your noggin.


the judge called it torture not interrogation , get your facts straight..

interogation is where i say "where were you at 9:00 pm" torture is when i dress you up in womens clothing and have dogs attack you



Thats fairly apparent.


funnily enough thats the exact same people who make my laws, and we all know what the constitution says about keeping people detained with no charges right.. I'll quote for you the interesting parts that you seem to have amnesia about :winkwink:


In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.



but i know what excuse you will likely use next... they aren't americans so we can trample all over the constitution. So lets trample on some international law then.. from the geneva conventions

Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall at all times be humanely treated, and shall be protected especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity.



So to violate either of those is "unlawfull" and you would have to be brain dead or delusional to read those and think whats happening doesn't violate it. Or maybe you dont understand the meaning of "protected especially against ALL ACTS OF VIOLENCE"

Either way whats happening and has happened in guantanamo is unlawfull with our laws and international laws we have agreed to abide by.

Wow, what a fucking thread. I fully support our troops in taking ANY means necessary to gather what ever information they need to do their job. When the enemy will hack a persons head off to prove a point they deserve no mercy whatsoever. All is fair in war!

Yes it was, and I did it to point out just how fucking stupid his "After seeing that one guy get his head sawed off.....fuck em" comment was

no problem

While we argue about the details of all this, the fat cats that profit off of war sit back and keep counting their ever-growing stockpile of money and power, behind the scenes, laughing at us while we get caught up arguing over what amounts to distractions that keep us from focusing on the big picture.

Left or right, hippie or soldier, it makes no difference, we're all being played like pawns.

so you would have no problems with the "troops" kidnapping and torturing your mother and father ? remember the "enemy" hacked off a guys head, all is fair right..

Let me guess, its ok when its someone else's father but when it's your father , you prob would want some proof , or a trial or something right..

this thread is ripe with

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w4Yaq_mMzE...00/TackleB.jpg

any time i see adult webmasters posting about their military experience, i think of this

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hpYOTDJKXC...Gomer+Pyle.jpg