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BV · 08-16-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Your in GA.Are you far from atl? If not it would be cool to meet you.

About 3 hours. Wish it was a bit closer because I'd like to go to ATL more often.

But yes we should meet up since we are relatively close and have known each other here quite a while.

But I have to be back here by 5:30 for my evening shift change job at McDonalds

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

About 3 hours. Wish it was a bit closer because I'd like to go to ATL more often.

But yes we should meet up since we are relatively close and have known each other here quite a while.

But I have to be back here by 5:30 for my evening shift change job at McDonalds

Mcdonalds? lol I work at burger king clean up at night lol Meeting would be cool.

Choker · 08-16-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

lol, if you say so

That's why i own a million dollar house on the inter coastal in Florida, and 800 acres here in Georgia, which is where i am now and will be for the next 3 months getting ready for hunting season.

I could give a fuck about the shows any more. 2003 was the last show I went to FYI.

You don't even own a house but just RENT one in North Miami Beach.

big baller lol

You are and always will be a tool.

You're on the bottom of the food chain man.

Just deal with it like you do your insecurities about not having any hair. lol

What a tool you are.

LOL, you are very entertaining is that your best shot? Let me guess your retired military right?

BV · 08-16-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Mcdonalds? lol I work at burger king clean up at night lol Meeting would be cool.

Do you think you can get me on at BK? They still flame broil right?

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Do you think you can get me on at BK? They still flame broil right?

Yeah that's why I left hardee's for that reason. I love the smell of flame broiled. listen we are looking for an extra mop guy I will put a good word in for ya.

BV · 08-16-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

LOL, you are very entertaining is that your best shot? Let me guess your retired military right?

That ain't a shot dude. That's just the truth. And no I'm not retired military.

I'm the world fucking famous Bikini Voyeur dude!

BTW, I also own the "attention whore"

The royalties I receive from that alone equal more than what you pay in rogaine a year.

BV · 08-16-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Yeah that's why I left hardee's for that reason. I love the smell of flame broiled. listen we are looking for an extra mop guy I will put a good word in for ya.

Man, I would appreciate that big time!

Do I get to clean the women's rest room too?

If you get me that gig I will be indebted to you for ever.

badmin · 08-17-2009, 07:59 AM

Hmmm...compromising ethics for money sounds like desperation of some sort. Good luck.

Brad Mitchell · 08-17-2009, 11:34 AM

Thanks for everyone's patience in my response. I tuned out over the weekend for some sorely needed family time.

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

its kill or be killed, paysites doing 50% less joins = less movies being downloaded, less people doing hosted galleries or getting traffic to them = death for old fashioned hosts.

So as transparent as you are I doubt you'll just come out and admit that if you didn't make this move you'd slowly continue seeing less and less revenue monthly just like the rest of the hosting world.

Like many others, you're making assumptions which are inaccurate. We don't seek this business, we never have. While many hosts are struggling, we are still experiencing exponential growth every year since inception and this year is no exception. It's a fight, but any worthwhile endeavor always is and all of us hosts are having to work smarter and harder than ever.

MojoHost has accomplished it's growth with tremendous integrity and client service. I've already said it before but it's gone unnoticed. As a percentage of revenue and "growth" this stuff is insignificant. In terms of future growth, this type of traffic isn't even in the business plan. Why do it, then? Well, again, we're not seeking clients and perhaps I should have been clearer about this.

We simply host too many tens of thousands of sites for me to not make a public statement leveling the playing field with other host competitors and setting expectations properly. It's impossible to know everything about all clients anymore. The fact that we have ended up hosting a few such sites out of many hundreds of tubes run to a high standard was enough for me to make mention of all this.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you just realize that you have killed revenue stream you are counting on saving you with this statement.

The fact is big tube sites are pushing the limits of fair use, they are the ones that are extending those rights. They are counting on your to respect the process so that those rights can be properly established.

Claiming that "All of the decisions I made were with our content producing customers in mind." put you into the catagory of host that will usurp that process.

Why would any "fair use" tube site risk their entire business opperation to host with a company who declares he is against them from the very begining.

We don't need saving - comments to that effect are baseless, total nonsense. The process and laws already exist. MojoHost is a hosting company, we will always do what is prudent to the letter of the law. It is my hope that the laws mature and also that those who push their limits grow their business model to favor copyright holders and smart promotion of relevant web sites. I hold myself to a higher standard and as much as we can without creating liability, the corporate entity will continue to do the same. If we are to do business outside of the law in either direction we may then be subject to losing
the protections afforded to ISPs.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

cliffnotes ?

you now allow customers using unlicensed content ?

I am not seeking any different clientele than we ever have. If you have unlicensed content on any free, pay, tube, blog, forum or other site you will be subject to the DMCA.

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Originally Posted by FrozenJag

Im super bummed to hear about this. I do appreciate you posting, and I knew that one day the pressure would surpass your stance but doesnt make it any easier to hear.

I just hope that you pass on the lower bandwith costs down to the non full length tube customers.

If these full length tube guys are gonna hurt our bottom dollar, then if you support it the decent thing to do is at least make it cheaper to run OUR businesses.

What we're doing here isn't a response to "pressure" and I am sorry that you are disappointed. As I stated several times over, we have hardly any such business of this type. The idea that I have any such site on our network is what prompted my post. I've long since been giving every available tool to our clients to fight back with - that was the goal the whole time. Your account is already a perfect example with W servers, X bandwidth, full management, full backups, Y overage and Z total cost.

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Yes....he does. He does this because his competition does it. And he's afraid that if he doesn't do it, they'll get all the tube money and their businesses will grow and his won't. I guess he's finding it difficult to compete in the marketplace if he runs an honest operation over there. Sad

As far as I know...there are only two kinds of tube sites. Legal ones and illegal ones. And Brad says that he's happy to do business with "all kinds". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out now does it?

Brad, it's always nice to see someone's business grow & expand beyond their wildest dreams. But it's sad to see them stooping to the level of doing business with content thieves just to get the overhead paid. It would be nice if you could make money the old fashioned "honest" 'way and stay away from sites that steal from producers like myself. But if you need the money that bad to keep your business afloat, well...good luck.

Of course you're not the only company out there who sleeps with illegal tube sites. There are other hosting companies as well as billing companies who are happy to take money from illegal tube sites. The difference is that none of them are on GFY bragging that they'll be happy to do business with this kind of scum. You apparently are happy to do it and think that we should commend you for your honesty. All I can say is *wow* : (

Dean, you're taking this so far that I'm quite surprised. I'm not on here bragging about anything or even soliciting for this business. You've typed thousands of words after my initial post and really everything is in your own head, you've made a ton of assumptions on all levels. As a point of fact, I have stated that a few such sites do exist on our network. Everything else is you going to the Nth degree. Do my posts sound happy and gleeful, did I ask you for a commendation? Dude, check yourself.

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Here is what Brad said..."To this date, we host very few sites which receive DMCAs and I can count the clients on one hand who receive more than one per month."

This is in reference to tube sites ok? Why would a tube site be getting a DMCA notice if they were dealing in legal content? Why would Brad have clients that are getting "more than one (DMCA) notice per month".... if they didn't have stolen content on their tube site. Brad came here to GFY "bragging" that he's now working with "all kinds" of tube sites. He didn't come right out and say that he has clients who have stolen content but that wasn't necessary since he admitted that he has tube clients that are receiving DMCA notices. Would a perfectly "legal" tube site receive monthly DMCA notices? I think not....

Let's not forget that Brad started his post off by saying that at first he was NOT going to do business with tube sites like these. Then when he couldn't get his competitors to take the high ground like he was going to take, he decided that in order to stay competitive, he'd have to do business with tube sites. His argument was that as long as the DMCA's get taken care of promptly, everything is legal and he's fine with it.

Here's the bottom line Choker. Even if Brad takes care of the DMCA notices in a timely and professional manner, it's still immoral and unethical that stolen content was put up on a site to begin with. And just as unethical to do business with companies like these who steal content. It's just like the guy said earlier....

That about sums up my interpretation of what Brad said in his post!

That's about all I'm going to say on this matter. My whole argument was from a producers standpoint. A guy who spends him money & time producing content so that tube sites can steal it and hosting companies can host it. Brad claims to have had our best interest at heart with his decision but I don't see how that could be.

Brad my friend - good luck on this new adventure to work with tubes. I saw the pictures of your new place - very nice job. People seem to think that you are about as honest and transparent as they come. I would only hope that some day we would have an opportunity to do business together in some capacity but to be honest with you, I can't ethically do business with a guy who thinks it's ok to host tube sites that get DMCA notices on a regular basis....and then brag about it. Which reminds me - I need to talk to my boys at Phatservers. I love those guys but if they are hosting a bunch of illegal tubes, I'll be looking for another host.

You're naive about DMCAs and with the tube stuff still taking it out of context. All hosts get DMCAs and they're not always correct, either. Blogs, tubes, forums, free hosted galleries - I've seen them for every type of site and many times over for people who were using them as per affiliate marketing agreements... or from user submitted stuff on forums... for domainers with their page text or domain names... from companies that have decided they want to get nasty and really end a relationship sour.

The data center isn't new at all but thank you for the congratulations, sort of. We moved here over three years ago with 200 servers and it just happens that we now have 1200. This was simply the first photo opportunity that we had within the site which was exciting for us.

Any continuation of censoring business coming in the door to the extent that I have done in the past could create added liability for MojoHost. To have the protections of an ISP, we must function like one - even if it means in some instances taking positions that are less adamant than I would like them to be.

Brad

Brad Mitchell · 08-17-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mlove

Hey mojohost, how long have you guys been in business? According to this link, your Service Provider DMCA Agent filing was only done in June.

http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/e/easyosl.pdf

Read right at the top, that was an *amended* form recently filed to update contact information. Incorporated since 1999, hosting since April 2002.

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Originally Posted by BV

Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves.

You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will.

Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition.

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm , well uh mmmm well uh, yah i guess so........

MojoHost is not seeking any such business. Try re-reading all of my posts and let me know if you're still confused. Don't put words in my mouth, ever.

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

With all due respect, Meeper, you may want to elaborate on which exact part(s) of the post you're quoting for truth. Otherwise, some people might take it as an endorsement of tubesites by Hustlercash (and thus, Hustler, and thus even, Larry Flynt).

I don't know that he'll even be back in this thread but he was quoting another studio, New Sensations, and I don't think that there is any question that the endorsement was for myself or perhaps MojoHost and not for distribution of unlicensed content.

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Originally Posted by badmin

Hmmm...compromising ethics for money sounds like desperation of some sort. Good luck.

I agree with this statement, any compromise of ethics for money would lend itself to some sort of desperation. However, your statement isn't applicable here because thats not what is transpiring.

Cheers,

Brad

DonovanTrent · 08-17-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Any continuation of censoring business coming in the door to the extent that I have done in the past could create added liability for MojoHost. To have the protections of an ISP, we must function like one - even if it means in some instances taking positions that are less adamant than I would like them to be.

This is something you should've said in your initial post, it's a very important point and could've prevented 1 or 2 people from taking things the way they did.

BV · 08-17-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

MojoHost is not seeking any such business. Try re-reading all of my posts and let me know if you're still confused. Don't put words in my mouth, ever.

Brad,

I'm reading your first post:

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

When I came to the boards about a year and a half ago and publicly declared that MojoHost would not host tube sites which contained unlicensed content.......

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

In the final analysis, the decision was made to not actively seek such business but to manage it responsibly along with all other clientele that we serve.

So, what I am I missing here? What words am I putting in your mouth?

In the past you did not host tubes with unlicensed content and now you are changing that stance. (thus this post)

Tell me what your changing then. I take it as your not going to quote: "actively seek it" but you will manage it responsibly. lol

Please clarify wtf you mean then.

For the ignorant people like me that is, who has a hard tim comprehending BS.

Spell it out more clearly for us.

Do you mean your not actively seeking, but if some unlicensed content tube contacts you for a few servers you will now take that business? (where in the past you have not?)

That's how your post comes across.

BV · 08-17-2009, 12:17 PM

Or maybe now I think I understand what you mean by "manage it responsibly".

Does that mean you will play the DMCA game also? Where in the past you might know for a fact that one of these tubes was exploiting DMCA so you chose not to do business with them.

But now you will just do what is required by you by dmca law and leave it at that?

Meeper · 08-17-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

With all due respect, Meeper, you may want to elaborate on which exact part(s) of the post you're quoting for truth. Otherwise, some people might take it as an endorsement of tubesites by Hustlercash (and thus, Hustler, and thus even, Larry Flynt).

An endorsement of LEGAL tube sites, yes. Illegal tube sites of course not. We have seen a great deal of webmasters be successful using tube sites to generate sales (without selling advertisement), and these are the webmasters / traffic sources we will support. As you can imagine, we as a company fight illegal tubes / torrents daily, and in no way support tubes with stolen content. I quoted him because he stated as a business man Brad runs his company in a way that is different than most. He is straight forward with everyone in the industry about what he does and is planning to do, and I respect that. Sorry if there was any confusion in our stance.

DonovanTrent · 08-17-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Meeper

An endorsement of LEGAL tube sites, yes. Illegal tube sites of course not. We have seen a great deal of webmasters be successful using tube sites to generate sales (without selling advertisement), and these are the webmasters / traffic sources we will support. As you can imagine, we as a company fight illegal tubes / torrents daily, and in no way support tubes with stolen content. I quoted him because he stated as a business man Brad runs his company in a way that is different than most. He is straight forward with everyone in the industry about what he does and is planning to do, and I respect that. Sorry if there was any confusion in our stance.

Good!

Just a shame that people think that giving away pages and pages of 5 minute long sponsor-provided licensed clips is a good way to get people to buy. In my mind, it's a good way to get people to jack off for free. I know it's in reaction to the illegal tubes, but still. Just my

Meeper · 08-17-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Good!

Just a shame that people think that giving away pages and pages of 5 minute long sponsor-provided licensed clips is a good way to get people to buy. In my mind, it's a good way to get people to jack off for free. I know it's in reaction to the illegal tubes, but still. Just my

100% agree with you, which is why we only offer 2 min clips as our maximum length.

ProjectNaked · 08-17-2009, 01:42 PM

so does this mean our hosting prices are coming down?

Brad Mitchell · 08-17-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Good!

Just a shame that people think that giving away pages and pages of 5 minute long sponsor-provided licensed clips is a good way to get people to buy. In my mind, it's a good way to get people to jack off for free. I know it's in reaction to the illegal tubes, but still. Just my

Eventually, there will likely be a some reasonable point of saturation with the same set of unrelated dating and cam sponsors. If that ever happens, tube operators of all varieties will discover that the logical thing to do and require significantly more effort is to actually negotiate with the content producers and promote related premium sites. Most of these sites are so damned dumb that even if you found something you liked and wanted to see more of it since they're wiped the watermark and never have a link out you wouldn't even know where to go to buy more. Totally flawed.

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Originally Posted by ProjectNaked

so does this mean our hosting prices are coming down?

The base costs for support, space, power and other items are largely unchanged or increasing annually, however, yes - the price of bandwidth has changed and I have been passing along additional megabits and discounts all year as I have seen appropriate. If you would like to discuss and have me evaluate if we can be doing more for you, please contact me off the boards.

Cheers,

Brad

96ukssob · 08-17-2009, 11:21 PM

Its either you come out and tell people your business plan and get flamed or keep it on the down low and get flamed 10x more for not telling anyone.

Either case its your business and you can do what you want. no matter what you do or say, you will always have people on both sides of the fence defining what is "ethical" and what is not. If people have a problem with it, let them open up a competing company and try to take your business, but I doubt that will happen.

I've met you once or twice at other shows and you seem like a stand up guy, but this is not a battle that you could of won by yourself. At the end of the day it comes down to you run a hosting company, so do what you need to do to keep that business growing. I bet that at least 80% of the people that responded to your post have skeletons in their closet but will never bring them out.

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RyuLion · 11-17-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

the ones that will flame you neither have nor ever will have a server with you anyways

08-17-2009, 11:21 PM	#119
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	Its either you come out and tell people your business plan and get flamed or keep it on the down low and get flamed 10x more for not telling anyone. Either case its your business and you can do what you want. no matter what you do or say, you will always have people on both sides of the fence defining what is "ethical" and what is not. If people have a problem with it, let them open up a competing company and try to take your business, but I doubt that will happen. I've met you once or twice at other shows and you seem like a stand up guy, but this is not a battle that you could of won by yourself. At the end of the day it comes down to you run a hosting company, so do what you need to do to keep that business growing. I bet that at least 80% of the people that responded to your post have skeletons in their closet but will never bring them out. __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

08-17-2009, 07:59 AM	#108
badmin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 71	Hmmm...compromising ethics for money sounds like desperation of some sort. Good luck.

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BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Or maybe now I think I understand what you mean by "manage it responsibly". Does that mean you will play the DMCA game also? Where in the past you might know for a fact that one of these tubes was exploiting DMCA so you chose not to do business with them. But now you will just do what is required by you by dmca law and leave it at that?

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ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	so does this mean our hosting prices are coming down?

07-22-2010, 07:37 AM	#120
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