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Jdoughs · 08-14-2009, 10:42 PM

50 mb movies?

Matyko · 08-14-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AlmightyJim

Brad you probably have one of the most transparent businesses in an industry that has few if any. Just the fact that you are open and honest in what you are doing speaks volumes.

We as business people must understand that there is no such thing as a perfect business model and certainly not one that will work for everyone. The fact that you are up front about the whole situation to me is above and beyond what is necessary but I would expect nothing less from you.

Fight the good fight as best you can and we will all do the same!

_

+1

ContentPimp · 08-14-2009, 10:48 PM

Brad, you the man for your continuous open communication! One of these days I'll make it to MojoHost

SteveLightspeed · 08-14-2009, 10:52 PM

Spam me with ad prices on all illegal tube sites. I fucking SURRENDER! If you are my biggest affiliate, you can bitch about it.

Steve Lightspeed

Iron Fist · 08-14-2009, 11:31 PM

Brad.... i'm sure you will do no evil. Well... not as much evil anyways

Barefootsies · 08-14-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Spam me with ad prices on all illegal tube sites. I fucking SURRENDER!

Steve Lightspeed

d-null · 08-14-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Spam me with ad prices on all illegal tube sites. I fucking SURRENDER! If you are my biggest affiliate, you can bitch about it.

Steve Lightspeed

grumpy · 08-15-2009, 02:04 AM

in the end its all about the green. To bad

Moose · 08-15-2009, 02:52 AM

I have an extra ticket in my compound for the Chargers game tonight if anyone wants to go.

Only posted this here because seems lots of folks reading it.

T wanna trade??

Libertine · 08-15-2009, 02:56 AM

Now take the next step:

Team up with the provider of a high quality tube script, and sell ready-made tube hosting accounts that only need a design and content.

You'll benefit from lock-in as they grow

camchoice · 08-15-2009, 06:45 AM

Mojo keeps surprising me with their support and help, even after all this time. 11 dedicated mojo servers and we need more soon !
Keep up the good work Brad and Mojo team !

CaptainHowdy · 08-15-2009, 06:51 AM

Late sig spottin'

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gideongallery · 08-15-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I will be here in many more than 5 years and our clients are safe with MojoHost. I can say with certainty that many competitors won't, all for various reasons. We are fully committed to adult, perhaps one of the few who rather than diversify and lessen the focus on service and support to our vertical has upped the ante in every area.

All of the decisions I made were with our content producing customers in mind. Lest anyone forget, we're already carrying tons of programs and producers on our shoulders through the thick of this. Writing down monthly spend, increasing bandwidth allowances and decreasing overages is how we're helping when this market needs it most. Being flexible to the point of exhaustion, helping people retool and investing our time in counseling the future of their business - that's what I'm busy with. My clients don't need cheap shitty hosting to survive - they need the fortitude and continued excellent service from MojoHost in their corner at a continued great everyday value.

You are certainly entitled to your own view but all of this is very matter of fact for us and as I already stated, a very small percentage of our clients, revenue and actually bandwidth. It was with a heavy heart that we changed policy but that is my charge - to make tough decisions on behalf of our employees, customers, surfers even when they are unpopular. The fact that I have changed my position to be that of every other industry host (with perhaps added discretion) is what I felt that we owed in a public declaration to continue our legacy of complete honesty, transparency and higher road than the rest.

Sincerely,

Brad

you just realize that you have killed revenue stream you are counting on saving you with this statement.

The fact is big tube sites are pushing the limits of fair use, they are the ones that are extending those rights. They are counting on your to respect the process so that those rights can be properly established.

Claiming that "All of the decisions I made were with our content producing customers in mind." put you into the catagory of host that will usurp that process.

Why would any "fair use" tube site risk their entire business opperation to host with a company who declares he is against them from the very begining.

gideongallery · 08-15-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Spam me with ad prices on all illegal tube sites. I fucking SURRENDER! If you are my biggest affiliate, you can bitch about it.

Steve Lightspeed

embrace the dark side my son

ladida · 08-15-2009, 10:07 AM

While i don't think hosts on GFY are great, you do have integrity. You didn't even have to make a statement like that, so props for honesty.

Blazing · 08-15-2009, 11:19 AM

Props to you Brad for making the public statement... I have no doubt that when confronted with DMCA notices that werent handled by the site owners themselves, that you will no doubt step in and take appropriate action.

I am pleased to have recently become a part of the MojoHost family!!!

lazzlo · 08-15-2009, 11:49 AM

Sent u an email to the inquiry addy Brad.
thx

tony286 · 08-15-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Do you provide content to programs that cross sale and fuck the surfers over so bad they refuse to ever join a paysite again? If so that's a great business model also.

and if he doesnt?

Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-15-2009, 12:40 PM

Sellout.

will76 · 08-16-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

I've never had any problem with Tubes and Mojo host has always been great to me. As far as i'm concerned a tube is just a single movie gallery. I LIKE and support the idea of free porn.

My only issue is with stolen content, and DMCA complaints in my opinion are not to be taken lightly.

any host with integrity would investigate any legitimate complaint of stolen content and warn the client on a first occurrence, severely warn on a second occurrence and drop the client if it continues.

Stealing content - whether legal or not, is wrong.

when tgp started a lot of people stole content. I was one of the first to licence everything as an affiliate (not content producer) and helped to start a trend of integrity.

tubes got big fast but are starting the same way as TGP, with illegial content.

The illegal content has to stop.

competition is one thing, theft is another. I have no problem with someone LEGALLY giving EVERYTHING AWAY even if it ruins his competitor, but if he steals - different story and that is wrong.

I encourage MOJO to go after the tube marketplace.
I encourage MOJO to drop clients that steal.

but i can't tell someone else how to run their business.......

good post and i think you spelled everything correctly... (looking out window to see if pigs are flying)

SmokeyTheBear · 08-16-2009, 11:07 AM

cliffnotes ?

you now allow customers using unlicensed content ?

FrozenJag · 08-16-2009, 11:45 AM

Im super bummed to hear about this. I do appreciate you posting, and I knew that one day the pressure would surpass your stance but doesnt make it any easier to hear.

I just hope that you pass on the lower bandwith costs down to the non full length tube customers.

If these full length tube guys are gonna hurt our bottom dollar, then if you support it the decent thing to do is atleast make it cheaper to run OUR businesses.

DeanCapture · 08-16-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

cliffnotes ?

you now allow customers using unlicensed content ?

Yes....he does. He does this because his competition does it. And he's afraid that if he doesn't do it, they'll get all the tube money and their businesses will grow and his won't. I guess he's finding it difficult to compete in the marketplace if he runs an honest operation over there. Sad

It would be like me waking up one morning and deciding that I'm going to figure out a way to rip off a bunch of programs just to fill my pockets with more money. And then coming on GFY and letting everyone know that I need to stay competitive with all the scammers in our industry so I'm willing to do business with scammers & thieves if that means more money for me. Yea, you really gotta pat the guy on the back for being so honest and letting everyone know that he's just fine with doing business with content thieves.....and taking care of their DMCA notices....on a regular basis.

As far as I know...there are only two kinds of tube sites. Legal ones and illegal ones. And Brad says that he's happy to do business with "all kinds". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out now does it?

Brad, it's always nice to see someone's business grow & expand beyond their wildest dreams. But it's sad to see them stooping to the level of doing business with content thieves just to get the overhead paid. It would be nice if you could make money the old fashioned "honest" 'way and stay away from sites that steal from producers like myself. But if you need the money that bad to keep your business afloat, well...good luck.

Of course you're not the only company out there who sleeps with illegal tube sites. There are other hosting companies as well as billing companies who are happy to take money from illegal tube sites. The difference is that none of them are on GFY bragging that they'll be happy to do business with this kind of scum. You apparently are happy to do it and think that we should commend you for your honesty. All I can say is *wow* : (

Choker · 08-16-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Yes....he does. He does this because his competition does it. And he's afraid that if he doesn't do it, they'll get all the tube money and their businesses will grow and his won't. I guess he's finding it difficult to compete in the marketplace if he runs an honest operation over there. Sad

It would be like me waking up one morning and deciding that I'm going to figure out a way to rip off a bunch of programs just to fill my pockets with more money. And then coming on GFY and letting everyone know that I need to stay competitive with all the scammers in our industry so I'm willing to do business with scammers & thieves if that means more money for me. Yea, you really gotta pat the guy on the back for being so honest and letting everyone know that he's just fine with doing business with content thieves.....and taking care of their DMCA notices....on a regular basis.

As far as I know...there are only two kinds of tube sites. Legal ones and illegal ones. And Brad says that he's happy to do business with "all kinds". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out now does it?

Brad, it's always nice to see someone's business grow & expand beyond their wildest dreams. But it's sad to see them stooping to the level of doing business with content thieves just to get the overhead paid. It would be nice if you could make money the old fashioned "honest" 'way and stay away from sites that steal from producers like myself. But if you need the money that bad to keep your business afloat, well...good luck.

Of course you're not the only company out there who sleeps with illegal tube sites. There are other hosting companies as well as billing companies who are happy to take money from illegal tube sites. The difference is that none of them are on GFY bragging that they'll be happy to do business with this kind of scum. You apparently are happy to do it and think that we should commend you for your honesty. All I can say is *wow* : (

As long as a tube site follows DMCA and takes down videos when a DMCA is recieved it's not "illegal". Like the law or not that's the fucking law. I don't like tube sites that have unlincesed content on them any more than you do , but to say they are "illegal" is simply wrong.

On another note, content producers and content brokers are the ones that are getting hurt the most in this economy. It's easy to blame it on tube sites but lets get real. 5 years ago they blamed it on MGPs. Most producers and content guys still have 1995 prices on thier content. One content guy recently posted a sale 50% off his content. $100 for a 20 minute video with 50% off that's $50. What a fucking joke. Videos are simply not worth that any more. If you want a scapegoat for the devalue of your content grab a sledge hammer, go to Best Buy and smash all those hi def camcorders that take video almost as good as a profesional camera does yet only cost $599. Anyone can make great videos today. It's real simple, there is so much good video out there that what you sold for $1000 5 years ago is only worth $25 today. Supply and demand.

Very few content guys have evolved or moved out of 1995. One exception I have noticed is Joe from Amacontent. I think the guy is a dick, but i admire him because instead of bitching and whining I see him busting his ass doing new things and trying to survive.

The fact that we are able to charge people to watch sex is amazing and not our god given right. Mainstream has used sex to sell other products since the alphabet was first invented. Many people are evolving and using porn to sell other products, there will always be a demand for new porn but not at the high prices content guys enjoyed 10 years ago.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 02:02 PM

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As long as a tube site follows DMCA and takes down videos when a DMCA is recieved it's not "illegal".

Sorry officer...yes I did knock over that 7/11 and stole all the money in the till. But I will put it back now that you caught me. No worries? Its not illegal if you put it back is it?

DeanCapture · 08-16-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Sorry officer...yes I did knock over that 7/11 and stole all the money in the till. But I will put it back now that you caught me. No worries? Its not illegal if you put it back is it?

hahaha true!

If it's not illegal, it's certainly immoral. As if stealing the content wasn't bad enough, now there's the hosting company who thinks it's ok to do it and he's happy to juggle the DMCA paperwork when it comes in

Are there any hosting companies out there that want to send me a hundred thousand dollars so I can produce a bunch of hardcore movies and then hand them over to the tubes to use on their sites for free? Awwww come'n guys. Nobody wants to spend a bunch of money on content and then hand it all over to the tubes? No??? Yea, that's kinda what I figured. As long as the money is not coming out of your pocket .. you're cool with it. If you had to pay for it, you would have a different viewpoint.

Choker · 08-16-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

hahaha true!

If it's not illegal, it's certainly immoral. As if stealing the content wasn't bad enough, now there's the hosting company who thinks it's ok to do it and he's happy to juggle the DMCA paperwork when it comes in

Are there any hosting companies out there that want to send me a hundred thousand dollars so I can produce a bunch of hardcore movies and then hand them over to the tubes to use on their sites for free? Awwww come'n guys. Nobody wants to spend a bunch of money on content and then hand it all over to the tubes? No??? Yea, that's kinda what I figured. As long as the money is not coming out of your pocket .. you're cool with it. If you had to pay for it, you would have a different viewpoint.

Immoral? You ignore my question i asked you earlier. Have you EVER sold content to a program that uses xsales or shading business practices? Most on this board consider that immoral. Have you ever sold content to a site that fools surfers into thinking it's a incredible site then they pay login and it's a joke? That's immoral too. How about all the programs that have now or are making their own tube site? You would be surprised. How many sponsor's here would turn down a link on Pornhub if he offered to you for free?

Years ago being a really good photographer was a elite group. Nowadays anyone can be a great photographer. Your occupation is a shrinking one both in terms of income and opportunitites. Yet some photographers are thriving in this new economy. They are the ones not trying to find scapegoats for thier shrinking income, they are the ones that are adopting and doing new things, not still living in 1995. You are the reason for your demise, not tube sites. And don't come back with the "things are great for me shit". If they were you wouldn't be here attacking others and blaming them for your decline.

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

As long as a tube site follows DMCA and takes down videos when a DMCA is recieved it's not "illegal". Like the law or not that's the fucking law. I don't like tube sites that have unlincesed content on them any more than you do , but to say they are "illegal" is simply wrong.

On another note, content producers and content brokers are the ones that are getting hurt the most in this economy. It's easy to blame it on tube sites but lets get real. 5 years ago they blamed it on MGPs. Most producers and content guys still have 1995 prices on thier content. One content guy recently posted a sale 50% off his content. $100 for a 20 minute video with 50% off that's $50. What a fucking joke. Videos are simply not worth that any more. If you want a scapegoat for the devalue of your content grab a sledge hammer, go to Best Buy and smash all those hi def camcorders that take video almost as good as a profesional camera does yet only cost $599. Anyone can make great videos today. It's real simple, there is so much good video out there that what you sold for $1000 5 years ago is only worth $25 today. Supply and demand.

Very few content guys have evolved or moved out of 1995. One exception I have noticed is Joe from Amacontent. I think the guy is a dick, but i admire him because instead of bitching and whining I see him busting his ass doing new things and trying to survive.

The fact that we are able to charge people to watch sex is amazing and not our god given right. Mainstream has used sex to sell other products since the alphabet was first invented. Many people are evolving and using porn to sell other products, there will always be a demand for new porn but not at the high prices content guys enjoyed 10 years ago.

Please stop with its best buys fault. do what you want to do but writing shit like this is insulting.

DeanCapture · 08-16-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Immoral? You ignore my question i asked you earlier. Have you EVER sold content to a program that uses xsales or shading business practices? Most on this board consider that immoral. Have you ever sold content to a site that fools surfers into thinking it's a incredible site then they pay login and it's a joke? That's immoral too. How about all the programs that have now or are making their own tube site? You would be surprised. How many sponsor's here would turn down a link on Pornhub if he offered to you for free?

Choker, my business model is to produce high-end "elite" content that make my clients happy and keep their members happy. People hire me because of my work ethic, my skills and my ability to deliver. That my friend...is my business model. If a company wants to use xsales, that's their business model - not mine. Doing business with a company that uses xsales is far different then doing business with a company that uses stolen content for their financial gain. When was the last time you laid down a few hundred thousand dollars for content only to have it stolen and used for free by a tube site? When that happens to you - get back to me ok? Because only then will you understand what all producers in our industry are going thru. It's not surprising that you would be here honking your horn - you sell traffic to tubes. You are in bed with them, making money with them...while they steal content from legit producers all over the world. Frankly, you are no better then hosting companies who sleep with them.

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Years ago being a really good photographer was a elite group. Nowadays anyone can be a great photographer.

That's like saying that just because you have photoshop, you can be an amazing web designer. Or just because you have guitar, you can be the next Eddie Van Halen. There will always be companies out there willing to pay more for an elite product. That is the niche that I fill. I could lower my prices and shoot anything & everything but why should I when that's what everyone else is doing?

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You are the reason for your demise, not tube sites. And don't come back with the "things are great for me shit". If they were you wouldn't be here attacking others and blaming them for your decline.

I don't think photographers (content producers) are going anywhere. We are the backbone of the industry. Without content, you wouldn't have a fucking job. It's the content that allows you to thrive. If we die, the industry dies. You and I need each other. I produce the content, you send the traffic, everybody makes money.

The only people I'm attacking are nit-wits who think it's ok to steal content that people like me spend our time & money producing. If you don't understand that - you really have some issues brotha'. By business is down - just like everyone else's. But you don't see me doing illegal, unethical and immoral things do you?

So what exactly is your point Choker? That since the industry is down, it's ok to steal content if that's what it takes to keep your business running? And all the producers should lower their prices so the tubes will buy it instead of stealing it? WTF???

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Immoral? You ignore my question i asked you earlier. Have you EVER sold content to a program that uses xsales or shading business practices? Most on this board consider that immoral. Have you ever sold content to a site that fools surfers into thinking it's a incredible site then they pay login and it's a joke? That's immoral too. How about all the programs that have now or are making their own tube site? You would be surprised. How many sponsor's here would turn down a link on Pornhub if he offered to you for free?

Years ago being a really good photographer was a elite group. Nowadays anyone can be a great photographer. Your occupation is a shrinking one both in terms of income and opportunitites. Yet some photographers are thriving in this new economy. They are the ones not trying to find scapegoats for thier shrinking income, they are the ones that are adopting and doing new things, not still living in 1995. You are the reason for your demise, not tube sites. And don't come back with the "things are great for me shit". If they were you wouldn't be here attacking others and blaming them for your decline.

New economy? Enjoy the ride because its not going to last.

Choker · 08-16-2009, 03:23 PM

The problem I have with you is your statements about Brad dealing with sites hosting stolen content. He never said that, if I were a attorney I would say Brad has a strong case for slander. I'm not posting in this thread to toot my own horn, you know nothing about me or what I do. All my traffic is sold out for the next 6 months buddy I turn down many buyers everyday. And for the record I have spent well over $250,000 on content over the years so yeah I know what it feels like to have my shit stolen.

Brads ethics are beyond reproach. He is simply doing what he has to do without breaking the law to survive and take care of his family.

Due · 08-16-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

this doesn't make sense if you were taking a stand, and were offering a price that was comparable with your competitors would all those programs bitching about the tubes flock to you

being the only host to make the stand should have been a competitive advantage not a disadvantage.

The problem is that most people just want to bitch and complain, they don't want to actually do something about it.

An old friend once told me: remember to think of the poor, it won't cost you anything!

Choker · 08-16-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

So what exactly is your point Choker? That since the industry is down, it's ok to steal content if that's what it takes to keep your business running? And all the producers should lower their prices so the tubes will buy it instead of stealing it? WTF???

I love the way you put your words into other peoples mouths. I got news for you buddy, I can find THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of full length scenes for $5 each, I don't need anymore. And no I don't think anyone should steal content, and I could care less if producers lower their prices or not. Doesnt affect my business in any way whatsoever. I don't steal content never have never will.

DeanCapture · 08-16-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

The problem I have with you is your statements about Brad dealing with sites hosting stolen content. He never said that, if I were a attorney I would say Brad has a strong case for slander.

Here is what Brad said..."To this date, we host very few sites which receive DMCAs and I can count the clients on one hand who receive more than one per month."

This is in reference to tube sites ok? Why would a tube site be getting a DMCA notice if they were dealing in legal content? Why would Brad have clients that are getting "more than one (DMCA) notice per month".... if they didn't have stolen content on their tube site. Brad came here to GFY "bragging" that he's now working with "all kinds" of tube sites. He didn't come right out and say that he has clients who have stolen content but that wasn't necessary since he admitted that he has tube clients that are receiving DMCA notices. Would a perfectly "legal" tube site receive monthly DMCA notices? I think not....

Let's not forget that Brad started his post off by saying that at first he was NOT going to do business with tube sites like these. Then when he couldn't get his competitors to take the high ground like he was going to take, he decided that in order to stay competitive, he'd have to do business with tube sites. His argument was that as long as the DMCA's get taken care of promptly, everything is legal and he's fine with it.

Here's the bottom line Choker. Even if Brad takes care of the DMCA notices in a timely and professional manner, it's still immoral and unethical that stolen content was put up on a site to begin with. And just as unethical to do business with companies like these who steal content. It's just like the guy said earlier....

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Sorry officer...yes I did knock over that 7/11 and stole all the money in the till. But I will put it back now that you caught me. No worries? Its not illegal if you put it back is it?

That about sums up my interpretation of what Brad said in his post!

That's about all I'm going to say on this matter. My whole argument was from a producers standpoint. A guy who spends him money & time producing content so that tube sites can steal it and hosting companies can host it. Brad claims to have had our best interest at heart with his decision but I don't see how that could be.

Brad my friend - good luck on this new adventure to work with tubes. I saw the pictures of your new place - very nice job. People seem to think that you are about as honest and transparent as they come. I would only hope that some day we would have an opportunity to do business together in some capacity but to be honest with you, I can't ethically do business with a guy who thinks it's ok to host tube sites that get DMCA notices on a regular basis....and then brag about it. Which reminds me - I need to talk to my boys at Phatservers. I love those guys but if they are hosting a bunch of illegal tubes, I'll be looking for another host.

mlove · 08-16-2009, 03:57 PM

Hey mojohost, how long have you guys been in business? According to this link, your Service Provider DMCA Agent filing was only done in June.

http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/e/easyosl.pdf

qxm · 08-16-2009, 04:26 PM

well this just comes to show that there is no such thing as one being able to run a fully "100% ethical" business when it comes to adult (don't confuse ethical with illegal btw). Now dont' get me wrong, I am not calling Brad a shady-ass-fuck for making the decision he made, I would have done the same had I been in his shoes.

Ever since illegal tubes started giving away 30+ min scenes and SPONSORS + CONTENT PRODUCERS ALLOWED this shit to happen, u knew u had to start operating within a "gray business area"

Brad is not the one to blame here we all know he took a stand at first but this is biz not a charity and seen as tho as sponsors and content producers have allowed illegal tubes to exist, his decision doesn't strike me as something odd.

Having said that, I don't see the hosting biz hurting as much as the content-driven adult biz; at least not in the foreseeable future.

The ones to be concerned about the future of their biz are content producers/sponsors as more and more free full length / acceptable-quality content floods the web ... have u been to youjizz.com lately? - AWESOME site btw! lolz

I don't know whats going to happen to the content-driven model, but I sure know as hell that diversifying out of it is well overdue by know; just as I know that Brad's decision is just something that "had to be done" to take part in that biz sector....

I ain't kissing Brad's ass .. I am just saying that if u see that tubes are making some coin (not big coin but some coin) and sponsors/content producers don't seem to give a fuck about their content being given away for free.. would u stand on the side lines waiting for permission from someone to tell u it is OK to make a lil coin following that biz model?

Adam_M · 08-16-2009, 06:02 PM

Fair call Brad.

BV · 08-16-2009, 06:30 PM

Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves.

You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will.

Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition.

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm , well uh mmmm well uh, yah i guess so........

HorseShit · 08-16-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves.

You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will.

Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition.

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm , well uh mmmm well uh, yah i guess so........

You're an idiot but everyone already knows that.

BV · 08-16-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

You're an idiot but everyone already knows that.

You're a nobody, and everyone knows that.

gideongallery · 08-16-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Choker, my business model is to produce high-end "elite" content that make my clients happy and keep their members happy. People hire me because of my work ethic, my skills and my ability to deliver. That my friend...is my business model. If a company wants to use xsales, that's their business model - not mine. Doing business with a company that uses xsales is far different then doing business with a company that uses stolen content for their financial gain.

you do realize that your doing to choker(and every traffic guy) what your complaining that tube sites doing to you.

Your poisoning the traffic pool by supporting companies that ripp off those surfers. They will not buy a membership again and therefore the conversion rates of the traffic go thru the floor.

it the only reason you are saying that it worse is because it affects your pocket book that hypocritical.

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So what exactly is your point Choker? That since the industry is down, it's ok to steal content if that's what it takes to keep your business running? And all the producers should lower their prices so the tubes will buy it instead of stealing it? WTF???

i think he is making the point that content producers who poison the traffic pools by supporting the paysites with scammie xsales are doing similar damage to the traffic guys.
Complaining their actions without fixing your own is hypocritical.

xxxdesign-net · 08-16-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I'm surprised I haven't received DMCA's yet. Either that or Corey's getting them and laughs at the people who issue them

WG

why would you get any in the first place?

Choker · 08-16-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves.

You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will.

Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition.

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm , well uh mmmm well uh, yah i guess so........

Your another nobody that's good at putting your words into other peoples mouths. Where did he say he is doing business with tube sites that post stolen content. Your yet another idiot that made some money back in 95, can't even afford to go to internext and of course blame the tubes for your having to work a second job at McDonalds to make ends meet. Your sites are a fucking joke, you were lucky to ever get a single surfer to pay to see what little shitty content you have. Notice a pattern here? Idiots like you who live in the past are the whining bitches of GFY now. LOL. Your very entertaining I'll give you that

BV · 08-16-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Your another nobody that's good at putting your words into other peoples mouths. Where did he say he is doing business with tube sites that post stolen content. Your yet another idiot that made some money back in 95, can't even afford to go to internext and of course blame the tubes for your having to work a second job at McDonalds to make ends meet. Your sites are a fucking joke, you were lucky to ever get a single surfer to pay to see what little shitty content you have. Notice a pattern here? Idiots like you who live in the past are the whining bitches of GFY now. LOL. Your very entertaining I'll give you that

Go fertilize your hair transplant plugs or something because you know dick about me, my sites, or how much money I make or have.

And you obviously have no reading comprehension if you think I'm putting words in Brad's mouth

You're the fucking joke.

Choker · 08-16-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Go fertilize your hair transplant plugs or something because you know dick about me, my sites, or how much money I make or have.

You're the fucking joke.

You couldn't even afford the gas money to drive what 200 miles to Internext? You attack anything tube related because nobody signs up at your shitty sites and you need to blame someone right? Do illegal tubes steal and use your videos? Of course not your videos are not good enough for a tube site. LOL.

Dirty Dane · 08-16-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

As long as a tube site follows DMCA and takes down videos when a DMCA is recieved it's not "illegal". Like the law or not that's the fucking law. I don't like tube sites that have unlincesed content on them any more than you do , but to say they are "illegal" is simply wrong.

It's not "legal" either. It's loophole(s). And they will be closed sooner or later. There are recent court rulings against commercial services like usenet and rapidshare, and there will likely be more of that. Unfortunately this will affect everyone who enjoy freedom and privacy, but who know how to restrict themselves. Ideas like mandatory .xxx is not far away - not only for adult business, but all freedoms related to business and privacy on internet. Those screaming loudest against, is ironically those creating it.

BV · 08-16-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

You couldn't even afford the gas money to drive what 200 miles to Internext? You attack anything tube related because nobody signs up at your shitty sites and you need to blame someone right? Do illegal tubes steal and use your videos? Of course not your videos are not good enough for a tube site. LOL.

lol, if you say so

That's why i own a million dollar house on the inter coastal in Florida, and 800 acres here in Georgia, which is where i am now and will be for the next 3 months getting ready for hunting season.

I could give a fuck about the shows any more. 2003 was the last show I went to FYI.

You don't even own a house but just RENT one in North Miami Beach.

big baller lol

You are and always will be a tool.

You're on the bottom of the food chain man.

Just deal with it like you do your insecurities about not having any hair. lol

What a tool you are.

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

lol, if you say so

That's why i own a million dollar house on the inter coastal in Florida, and 800 acres here in Georgia, which is where i am now and will be for the next 3 months getting ready for hunting season.

I could give a fuck about the shows any more. 2003 was the last show I went to FYI.

You don't even own a house but just RENT one in North Miami Beach.

big baller lol

You are and always will be a tool.

You're on the bottom of the food chain man.

Just deal with it like you do your insecurities about not having any hair. lol

What a tool you are.

Your in GA.Are you far from atl? If not it would be cool to meet you.

Meeper · 08-16-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe

This isn't about "You have to do what you have to do" at all.

Brad, you have been a leader in our industry since the day you stuck your big toe in it. ALWAYS being straight up, informative about your business to your clients and peers and just flat out 100% genuine as a person. Your stand last year was for the best, you were looking out for OUR industry we ALL share and willing to take a hit for it. A true leader if you ask me...

Your right it could have worked if the model stayed the same. But the tube site model is evolving just like it did with TGP and MGP so fuck yea I would accept sites too. There is nothing wrong with that and if anyone flames you... Pfffffffff

The thing I'm most impressed about this thread... That you publically stated what your going to do and the adjustments you have made to your stance last year. Most people would have just gone and done what your doing without saying a word. Your so different dude - It's refreshing seriously.

quoted for truth

DonovanTrent · 08-16-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Meeper

quoted for truth

With all due respect, Meeper, you may want to elaborate on which exact part(s) of the post you're quoting for truth. Otherwise, some people might take it as an endorsement of tubesites by Hustlercash (and thus, Hustler, and thus even, Larry Flynt).

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08-15-2009, 10:07 AM	#65
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08-15-2009, 11:19 AM	#66
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08-16-2009, 03:23 PM	#81
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	The problem I have with you is your statements about Brad dealing with sites hosting stolen content. He never said that, if I were a attorney I would say Brad has a strong case for slander. I'm not posting in this thread to toot my own horn, you know nothing about me or what I do. All my traffic is sold out for the next 6 months buddy I turn down many buyers everyday. And for the record I have spent well over $250,000 on content over the years so yeah I know what it feels like to have my shit stolen. Brads ethics are beyond reproach. He is simply doing what he has to do without breaking the law to survive and take care of his family. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

08-16-2009, 03:57 PM	#85
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08-16-2009, 04:26 PM	#86
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	well this just comes to show that there is no such thing as one being able to run a fully "100% ethical" business when it comes to adult (don't confuse ethical with illegal btw). Now dont' get me wrong, I am not calling Brad a shady-ass-fuck for making the decision he made, I would have done the same had I been in his shoes. Ever since illegal tubes started giving away 30+ min scenes and SPONSORS + CONTENT PRODUCERS ALLOWED this shit to happen, u knew u had to start operating within a "gray business area" Brad is not the one to blame here we all know he took a stand at first but this is biz not a charity and seen as tho as sponsors and content producers have allowed illegal tubes to exist, his decision doesn't strike me as something odd. Having said that, I don't see the hosting biz hurting as much as the content-driven adult biz; at least not in the foreseeable future. The ones to be concerned about the future of their biz are content producers/sponsors as more and more free full length / acceptable-quality content floods the web ... have u been to youjizz.com lately? - AWESOME site btw! lolz I don't know whats going to happen to the content-driven model, but I sure know as hell that diversifying out of it is well overdue by know; just as I know that Brad's decision is just something that "had to be done" to take part in that biz sector.... I ain't kissing Brad's ass .. I am just saying that if u see that tubes are making some coin (not big coin but some coin) and sponsors/content producers don't seem to give a fuck about their content being given away for free.. would u stand on the side lines waiting for permission from someone to tell u it is OK to make a lil coin following that biz model? __________________ ICQ: 266990876 Last edited by qxm; 08-16-2009 at 04:28 PM..

08-16-2009, 06:02 PM	#87
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08-16-2009, 06:30 PM	#88
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves. You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will. Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition. Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content? Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........ Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content? Brad: Um mmmm , well uh mmmm well uh, yah i guess so........