The problem I have with you is your statements about Brad dealing with sites hosting stolen content. He never said that, if I were a attorney I would say Brad has a strong case for slander. I'm not posting in this thread to toot my own horn, you know nothing about me or what I do. All my traffic is sold out for the next 6 months buddy I turn down many buyers everyday. And for the record I have spent well over $250,000 on content over the years so yeah I know what it feels like to have my shit stolen.

Brads ethics are beyond reproach. He is simply doing what he has to do without breaking the law to survive and take care of his family.

The problem is that most people just want to bitch and complain, they don't want to actually do something about it.

An old friend once told me: remember to think of the poor, it won't cost you anything!

I love the way you put your words into other peoples mouths. I got news for you buddy, I can find THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of full length scenes for $5 each, I don't need anymore. And no I don't think anyone should steal content, and I could care less if producers lower their prices or not. Doesnt affect my business in any way whatsoever. I don't steal content never have never will.

Here is what Brad said..."To this date, we host very few sites which receive DMCAs and I can count the clients on one hand who receive more than one per month."

This is in reference to tube sites ok? Why would a tube site be getting a DMCA notice if they were dealing in legal content? Why would Brad have clients that are getting "more than one (DMCA) notice per month".... if they didn't have stolen content on their tube site. Brad came here to GFY "bragging" that he's now working with "all kinds" of tube sites. He didn't come right out and say that he has clients who have stolen content but that wasn't necessary since he admitted that he has tube clients that are receiving DMCA notices. Would a perfectly "legal" tube site receive monthly DMCA notices? I think not....

Let's not forget that Brad started his post off by saying that at first he was NOT going to do business with tube sites like these. Then when he couldn't get his competitors to take the high ground like he was going to take, he decided that in order to stay competitive, he'd have to do business with tube sites. His argument was that as long as the DMCA's get taken care of promptly, everything is legal and he's fine with it.

Here's the bottom line Choker. Even if Brad takes care of the DMCA notices in a timely and professional manner, it's still immoral and unethical that stolen content was put up on a site to begin with. And just as unethical to do business with companies like these who steal content. It's just like the guy said earlier....

That about sums up my interpretation of what Brad said in his post!

That's about all I'm going to say on this matter. My whole argument was from a producers standpoint. A guy who spends him money & time producing content so that tube sites can steal it and hosting companies can host it. Brad claims to have had our best interest at heart with his decision but I don't see how that could be.

Brad my friend - good luck on this new adventure to work with tubes. I saw the pictures of your new place - very nice job. People seem to think that you are about as honest and transparent as they come. I would only hope that some day we would have an opportunity to do business together in some capacity but to be honest with you, I can't ethically do business with a guy who thinks it's ok to host tube sites that get DMCA notices on a regular basis....and then brag about it. Which reminds me - I need to talk to my boys at Phatservers. I love those guys but if they are hosting a bunch of illegal tubes, I'll be looking for another host.

Hey mojohost, how long have you guys been in business? According to this link, your Service Provider DMCA Agent filing was only done in June.

http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/agents/e/easyosl.pdf

well this just comes to show that there is no such thing as one being able to run a fully "100% ethical" business when it comes to adult (don't confuse ethical with illegal btw). Now dont' get me wrong, I am not calling Brad a shady-ass-fuck for making the decision he made, I would have done the same had I been in his shoes.

Ever since illegal tubes started giving away 30+ min scenes and SPONSORS + CONTENT PRODUCERS ALLOWED this shit to happen, u knew u had to start operating within a "gray business area"

Brad is not the one to blame here we all know he took a stand at first but this is biz not a charity and seen as tho as sponsors and content producers have allowed illegal tubes to exist, his decision doesn't strike me as something odd.

Having said that, I don't see the hosting biz hurting as much as the content-driven adult biz; at least not in the foreseeable future.

The ones to be concerned about the future of their biz are content producers/sponsors as more and more free full length / acceptable-quality content floods the web ... have u been to youjizz.com lately? - AWESOME site btw! lolz

I don't know whats going to happen to the content-driven model, but I sure know as hell that diversifying out of it is well overdue by know; just as I know that Brad's decision is just something that "had to be done" to take part in that biz sector....

I ain't kissing Brad's ass .. I am just saying that if u see that tubes are making some coin (not big coin but some coin) and sponsors/content producers don't seem to give a fuck about their content being given away for free.. would u stand on the side lines waiting for permission from someone to tell u it is OK to make a lil coin following that biz model?

Fair call Brad.

Brad, I think it's sort of stupid for you to announce on this forum that you now plan to start doing business with known thieves.

You clearly state that in the past you haven't but now you will.

Think about if you ever will have to give testimony in a court or deposition.

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchell, do you knowingly host stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm uh mmmm well uh........

Plaintiff Lawyer: Mr. Mitchel, in August of 2009 on GFY message board, did u state that you intend to start doing business with tube sites that post stolen content?

Brad: Um mmmm , well uh mmmm well uh, yah i guess so........

You're an idiot but everyone already knows that.

You're a nobody, and everyone knows that. :2 cents:

you do realize that your doing to choker(and every traffic guy) what your complaining that tube sites doing to you.

Your poisoning the traffic pool by supporting companies that ripp off those surfers. They will not buy a membership again and therefore the conversion rates of the traffic go thru the floor.

it the only reason you are saying that it worse is because it affects your pocket book that hypocritical.





i think he is making the point that content producers who poison the traffic pools by supporting the paysites with scammie xsales are doing similar damage to the traffic guys.
Complaining their actions without fixing your own is hypocritical.

why would you get any in the first place?

Your another nobody that's good at putting your words into other peoples mouths. Where did he say he is doing business with tube sites that post stolen content. Your yet another idiot that made some money back in 95, can't even afford to go to internext and of course blame the tubes for your having to work a second job at McDonalds to make ends meet. Your sites are a fucking joke, you were lucky to ever get a single surfer to pay to see what little shitty content you have. Notice a pattern here? Idiots like you who live in the past are the whining bitches of GFY now. LOL. Your very entertaining I'll give you that

Go fertilize your hair transplant plugs or something because you know dick about me, my sites, or how much money I make or have.

And you obviously have no reading comprehension if you think I'm putting words in Brad's mouth :2 cents:

You're the fucking joke. :2 cents:

You couldn't even afford the gas money to drive what 200 miles to Internext? You attack anything tube related because nobody signs up at your shitty sites and you need to blame someone right? Do illegal tubes steal and use your videos? Of course not your videos are not good enough for a tube site. LOL.

It's not "legal" either. It's loophole(s). And they will be closed sooner or later. There are recent court rulings against commercial services like usenet and rapidshare, and there will likely be more of that. Unfortunately this will affect everyone who enjoy freedom and privacy, but who know how to restrict themselves. Ideas like mandatory .xxx is not far away - not only for adult business, but all freedoms related to business and privacy on internet. Those screaming loudest against, is ironically those creating it.

lol, if you say so

That's why i own a million dollar house on the inter coastal in Florida, and 800 acres here in Georgia, which is where i am now and will be for the next 3 months getting ready for hunting season.

I could give a fuck about the shows any more. 2003 was the last show I went to FYI.

You don't even own a house but just RENT one in North Miami Beach. :1orglaugh big baller lol

You are and always will be a tool.

You're on the bottom of the food chain man.

Just deal with it like you do your insecurities about not having any hair. lol

What a tool you are. :2 cents:

Your in GA.Are you far from atl? If not it would be cool to meet you.

quoted for truth

With all due respect, Meeper, you may want to elaborate on which exact part(s) of the post you're quoting for truth. Otherwise, some people might take it as an endorsement of tubesites by Hustlercash (and thus, Hustler, and thus even, Larry Flynt).

About 3 hours. Wish it was a bit closer because I'd like to go to ATL more often.

But yes we should meet up since we are relatively close and have known each other here quite a while.

But I have to be back here by 5:30 for my evening shift change job at McDonalds :1orglaugh

Mcdonalds? lol I work at burger king clean up at night lol Meeting would be cool.

LOL, you are very entertaining is that your best shot? Let me guess your retired military right?

Do you think you can get me on at BK? They still flame broil right?

Yeah that's why I left hardee's for that reason. I love the smell of flame broiled. listen we are looking for an extra mop guy I will put a good word in for ya.

That ain't a shot dude. That's just the truth. And no I'm not retired military. :1orglaugh

I'm the world fucking famous Bikini Voyeur dude!

BTW, I also own the "attention whore"

The royalties I receive from that alone equal more than what you pay in rogaine a year. :2 cents:

Man, I would appreciate that big time! :thumbsup

Do I get to clean the women's rest room too? :winkwink:

If you get me that gig I will be indebted to you for ever.

Hmmm...compromising ethics for money sounds like desperation of some sort. Good luck.

Thanks for everyone's patience in my response. I tuned out over the weekend for some sorely needed family time.


Like many others, you're making assumptions which are inaccurate. We don't seek this business, we never have. While many hosts are struggling, we are still experiencing exponential growth every year since inception and this year is no exception. It's a fight, but any worthwhile endeavor always is and all of us hosts are having to work smarter and harder than ever.

MojoHost has accomplished it's growth with tremendous integrity and client service. I've already said it before but it's gone unnoticed. As a percentage of revenue and "growth" this stuff is insignificant. In terms of future growth, this type of traffic isn't even in the business plan. Why do it, then? Well, again, we're not seeking clients and perhaps I should have been clearer about this.

We simply host too many tens of thousands of sites for me to not make a public statement leveling the playing field with other host competitors and setting expectations properly. It's impossible to know everything about all clients anymore. The fact that we have ended up hosting a few such sites out of many hundreds of tubes run to a high standard was enough for me to make mention of all this.

We don't need saving - comments to that effect are baseless, total nonsense. The process and laws already exist. MojoHost is a hosting company, we will always do what is prudent to the letter of the law. It is my hope that the laws mature and also that those who push their limits grow their business model to favor copyright holders and smart promotion of relevant web sites. I hold myself to a higher standard and as much as we can without creating liability, the corporate entity will continue to do the same. If we are to do business outside of the law in either direction we may then be subject to losing
the protections afforded to ISPs.

I am not seeking any different clientele than we ever have. If you have unlicensed content on any free, pay, tube, blog, forum or other site you will be subject to the DMCA.

What we're doing here isn't a response to "pressure" and I am sorry that you are disappointed. As I stated several times over, we have hardly any such business of this type. The idea that I have any such site on our network is what prompted my post. I've long since been giving every available tool to our clients to fight back with - that was the goal the whole time. Your account is already a perfect example with W servers, X bandwidth, full management, full backups, Y overage and Z total cost.

Dean, you're taking this so far that I'm quite surprised. I'm not on here bragging about anything or even soliciting for this business. You've typed thousands of words after my initial post and really everything is in your own head, you've made a ton of assumptions on all levels. As a point of fact, I have stated that a few such sites do exist on our network. Everything else is you going to the Nth degree. Do my posts sound happy and gleeful, did I ask you for a commendation? Dude, check yourself.

You're naive about DMCAs and with the tube stuff still taking it out of context. All hosts get DMCAs and they're not always correct, either. Blogs, tubes, forums, free hosted galleries - I've seen them for every type of site and many times over for people who were using them as per affiliate marketing agreements... or from user submitted stuff on forums... for domainers with their page text or domain names... from companies that have decided they want to get nasty and really end a relationship sour.

The data center isn't new at all but thank you for the congratulations, sort of. We moved here over three years ago with 200 servers and it just happens that we now have 1200. This was simply the first photo opportunity that we had within the site which was exciting for us.

Any continuation of censoring business coming in the door to the extent that I have done in the past could create added liability for MojoHost. To have the protections of an ISP, we must function like one - even if it means in some instances taking positions that are less adamant than I would like them to be.

Brad

Read right at the top, that was an *amended* form recently filed to update contact information. Incorporated since 1999, hosting since April 2002.

MojoHost is not seeking any such business. Try re-reading all of my posts and let me know if you're still confused. Don't put words in my mouth, ever.

I don't know that he'll even be back in this thread but he was quoting another studio, New Sensations, and I don't think that there is any question that the endorsement was for myself or perhaps MojoHost and not for distribution of unlicensed content.

I agree with this statement, any compromise of ethics for money would lend itself to some sort of desperation. However, your statement isn't applicable here because thats not what is transpiring.

Cheers,

Brad

This is something you should've said in your initial post, it's a very important point and could've prevented 1 or 2 people from taking things the way they did.

Brad,

I'm reading your first post:

So, what I am I missing here? What words am I putting in your mouth?

In the past you did not host tubes with unlicensed content and now you are changing that stance. (thus this post)

Tell me what your changing then. I take it as your not going to quote: "actively seek it" but you will manage it responsibly. lol

Please clarify wtf you mean then. :2 cents:

For the ignorant people like me that is, who has a hard tim comprehending BS. :helpme

Spell it out more clearly for us.

Do you mean your not actively seeking, but if some unlicensed content tube contacts you for a few servers you will now take that business? (where in the past you have not?)

That's how your post comes across.

Or maybe now I think I understand what you mean by "manage it responsibly".

Does that mean you will play the DMCA game also? Where in the past you might know for a fact that one of these tubes was exploiting DMCA so you chose not to do business with them.

But now you will just do what is required by you by dmca law and leave it at that?

An endorsement of LEGAL tube sites, yes. Illegal tube sites of course not. We have seen a great deal of webmasters be successful using tube sites to generate sales (without selling advertisement), and these are the webmasters / traffic sources we will support. As you can imagine, we as a company fight illegal tubes / torrents daily, and in no way support tubes with stolen content. I quoted him because he stated as a business man Brad runs his company in a way that is different than most. He is straight forward with everyone in the industry about what he does and is planning to do, and I respect that. Sorry if there was any confusion in our stance.

Good! :thumbsup

Just a shame that people think that giving away pages and pages of 5 minute long sponsor-provided licensed clips is a good way to get people to buy. In my mind, it's a good way to get people to jack off for free. I know it's in reaction to the illegal tubes, but still. Just my :2 cents:

100% agree with you, which is why we only offer 2 min clips as our maximum length. :thumbsup

so does this mean our hosting prices are coming down?

Eventually, there will likely be a some reasonable point of saturation with the same set of unrelated dating and cam sponsors. If that ever happens, tube operators of all varieties will discover that the logical thing to do and require significantly more effort is to actually negotiate with the content producers and promote related premium sites. Most of these sites are so damned dumb that even if you found something you liked and wanted to see more of it since they're wiped the watermark and never have a link out you wouldn't even know where to go to buy more. Totally flawed.

The base costs for support, space, power and other items are largely unchanged or increasing annually, however, yes - the price of bandwidth has changed and I have been passing along additional megabits and discounts all year as I have seen appropriate. If you would like to discuss and have me evaluate if we can be doing more for you, please contact me off the boards.

Cheers,

Brad

Its either you come out and tell people your business plan and get flamed or keep it on the down low and get flamed 10x more for not telling anyone.

Either case its your business and you can do what you want. no matter what you do or say, you will always have people on both sides of the fence defining what is "ethical" and what is not. If people have a problem with it, let them open up a competing company and try to take your business, but I doubt that will happen.

I've met you once or twice at other shows and you seem like a stand up guy, but this is not a battle that you could of won by yourself. At the end of the day it comes down to you run a hosting company, so do what you need to do to keep that business growing. I bet that at least 80% of the people that responded to your post have skeletons in their closet but will never bring them out.

i agree tubes are here to stay.