man caught leaving water bottles in the desert for illegal immigrants has been senten

[count of monte cristo]

An Arizona man caught leaving water bottles in the desert for illegal immigrants has been sentenced to 300 hours of community service and a year of probation, an aid group said.

Walt Staton, a member of the group No More Deaths, left full water bottles in December in Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge for the illegal immigrants who routinely pass through the 18,000-acre refuge, according to court documents.

Noting the phrase scrawled on many of the plastic water jugs -- "buena suerte," or "good luck" in Spanish -- the prosecutors said, "The obvious conclusion is that the defendant and No More Deaths wish to aid illegal aliens in their entry attempt."

They also said, as did the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, that leaving the full plastic jugs on the refuge is detrimental to the health of the animals that live there. Citing a biologist, the prosecutors said that animals could eat the plastic and that others could get feet or antlers caught on the bottles.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/13/...ate/index.html

[Antonio]

that's fucked up on so many levels

don't leave water that can save a human's life because some fucking coyote might choke on a piece of plastic

[Denaz]

Plastic bags i could understand, but when was the last time wildlife ate a plastic water bottle o_O?

[D Ghost]

Good, he should go to jail for 6 months... anyone who thinks ILLEGAL immigrants have special rights and are above the law should go to jail themselves.

We don't have special rights and others immigrants go through the full proper legal process to get into the U.S.A. there's no exceptions, and then these illegal immigrants just waltz in, how do you think those other immigrants who did it the right way feel?

[count of monte cristo]

Originally Posted by Antonio

that's fucked up on so many levels

don't leave water that can save a human's life because some fucking coyote might choke on a piece of plastic

thought so too, thats a great thank you for taking time out of your day to go to the desert and drop water bottles off for potentially dying people.

and why would an animal chew on plastic? its tasteless, they may as well be concerned about the coyote choking on a desert rock

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Good, he should go to jail for 6 months... anyone who thinks ILLEGAL immigrants have special rights and are above the law should go to jail themselves.

We don't have special rights and others immigrants go through the full proper legal process to get into the U.S.A. there's no exceptions, and then these illegal immigrants just waltz in, how do you think those other immigrants who did it the right way feel?

Legal or illegal I don't give a shit either way. I just don't think that people need to die needlessly.

[Fletch XXX]

he's lucky they didnt tack on "littering" and slapped him with $1,000 fine for trashing a national wildlife area LOL

Walt Staton, a member of the group No More Deaths, left full water bottles in December in Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge

[tammix]

I'm gonna paypal him money for his bailout
its good to see there are still people with good soul in Arizona
:-)

[SarahLLO]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Legal or illegal I don't give a shit either way. I just don't think that people need to die needlessly.

exactly

they may be coming here illegally, but that doesn't mean they deserve to die

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Good, he should go to jail for 6 months... anyone who thinks ILLEGAL immigrants have special rights and are above the law should go to jail themselves.

We don't have special rights and others immigrants go through the full proper legal process to get into the U.S.A. there's no exceptions, and then these illegal immigrants just waltz in, how do you think those other immigrants who did it the right way feel?

Human life is more important than borders to me. And I normally vote republican. We wouldn't have people having to sneak across the border if the immigration process was fair, or open to those that don't have much money. As someone who went through the process of getting a spouse permanent residence its retarded expensive bullshit. There is no way some poor mexican that just wants the chance to make a better life for themselves to do it legally. The inscription at Ellis Island says it all, and how it was and how it should be.


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Legal or illegal I don't give a shit either way. I just don't think that people need to die needlessly.

It's their prerogative to enter the country and wander through the wilderness... we aren't going to setup watering stations throughout to help them lol...

[signbucks]

i saw a story about one on Discovery or National Geographic with shootings how he does his stuff. his face wasn't blurred and the town where he was living was called

once he met an illegal woman, but he just told her how to reach the nearest city and refused to ride her because of the law.

[fris]

thats insane

[pimpware]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Good, he should go to jail for 6 months... anyone who thinks ILLEGAL immigrants have special rights and are above the law should go to jail themselves.

We don't have special rights and others immigrants go through the full proper legal process to get into the U.S.A. there's no exceptions, and then these illegal immigrants just waltz in, how do you think those other immigrants who did it the right way feel?

How about put a team of snipers shooting down every illegal that show up.

[gwidomains]

So, let me get this straight, instead of sending CEOs of companies that employ illegals to jail they are sending this guy to jail?

That's typical government b.s. --- "fix" a big problem by sending the smallest poorest people to jail.

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Human life is more important than borders to me. And I normally vote republican. We wouldn't have people having to sneak across the border if the immigration process was fair, or open to those that don't have much money. As someone who went through the process of getting a spouse permanent residence its retarded expensive bullshit. There is no way some poor mexican that just wants the chance to make a better life for themselves to do it legally. The inscription at Ellis Island says it all, and how it was and how it should be.


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I didn't say human life is not important... it is of the highest importance and concern...

However like i said, it's their prerogative...

[D Ghost]

So if an illegal immigrant ventures out into the world of business in the USA.... and they are failing, there should be random piles of money out there that they can grab.... ?

[d-null]

fucking government and prosecutors deserve zero respect when they come up with shit like that

[Phil]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

So if an illegal immigrant ventures out into the world of business in the USA.... and they are failing, there should be random piles of money out there that they can grab.... ?

Oh, its those illegals asking for billions of dollars in govn't aid and pay out millions to its executives. Go shoot them kid.

[Titan]

I think i saw something similar on crash, except the water was poisoned

[DatingGold]

that would upset the president that they dont allow that

not only do these illegal fucks come here w/o permission, they litter, and god knows what else during the proccess.

when is that giant wall being built?

[escorpio]

I have provided water, food and transportation for illegal aliens. To leave a suffering person in the desert would be unconscionable.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Antonio

that's fucked up on so many levels

don't leave water that can save a human's life because some fucking coyote might choke on a piece of plastic

Ok so you WOULD drink some random bottle of water you found in the desert? Perhaps some other guy puts out poisoned water bottles? I'd drink my own piss before I'd drink some bottle of "water" lying around.

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Oh, its those illegals asking for billions of dollars in govn't aid and pay out millions to its executives. Go shoot them kid.

Hey I didnt say those guys are off the hook... And I never said anything about it being ok to shoot anyone... lol

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by SarahLLO

exactly

they may be coming here illegally, but that doesn't mean they deserve to die

if they are so stupid that they don't bring/have the proper supplies so much so that they risk death, fuck em. Its not like they are escaping alcatraz.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if they are so stupid that they don't bring/have the proper supplies so much so that they risk death, fuck em. Its not like they are escaping alcatraz.

they are often at the mercy of what the coyote's have provided for them, and sometimes are not given what was expected when the transportation arrangements were made

[VeriSexy]

What the heck?

[2012]

[SarahLLO]

Originally Posted by d-null

they are often at the mercy of what the coyote's have provided for them, and sometimes are not given what was expected when the transportation arrangements were made

and it's not like they can sue the coyotes for not providing what they said they would...

i dunno, call me a bleeding heart, but i grew up in san diego and counted a more than a few illegals as my friends (as a child, i barely even realized what it meant - and i definitely didn't care) and so i don't have it in me to just brush them off and forget about them, even if what they're doing is lawfully wrong.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Human life is more important than borders to me. And I normally vote republican. We wouldn't have people having to sneak across the border if the immigration process was fair, or open to those that don't have much money. As someone who went through the process of getting a spouse permanent residence its retarded expensive bullshit. There is no way some poor mexican that just wants the chance to make a better life for themselves to do it legally. The inscription at Ellis Island says it all, and how it was and how it should be.


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

youre one funny guy. In one thread you scream up and down all day about how socialism is bad, that you dont want your taxes going to help out other Americans... then here you are trying to act like your brothers keeper? LOL

this shit is hilarious.

I am all for helping out my fellow man, but you "anti-health care reform" folk crack me up.

You dont want to help your own fellow americans get affordable health care, but want to save evey illegal coming into the country to use your tax dollars. as you say it is "stealing from one to give to the other" yet you support illegals coming into US???

BUAHAHAH

if you reply at all make sure you quote the yellow...

[ztik]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Legal or illegal I don't give a shit either way. I just don't think that people need to die needlessly.

If they are running around through the fucking desert with no water its their own fault

come the fuck on

[d-null]

Originally Posted by ztik

If they are running around through the fucking desert with no water its their own fault

come the fuck on

your view is simplistic


picture a scenario, young guys in a poor guatemalan village get phone calls from relatives that are working two jobs and 16 hour days in the u.s. and sending back money to support their families, the coyotes have connections and can get them to the u.s., but the cost is high, thousands of dollars, they are willing to take the chance and huge risks in crossing multiple borders and relying on shady coyotes for the arrangements and travel across the borders, some of the coyotes will work on credit, when they arrive at their destination they may owe $5000 or more, which will have to be paid out of their small wages, so they travel from their small village to the border where they may wait for hours to meet up with an arranged coyote, who will rush them into a vehicle, probably crammed and with no ventilation, where they may travel for hours, then they might be dumped off at a remote part of the border and dumped off and told to RUN, across dangerous rocky or desert paths, where they hope to not be seen and hope that the coyote that is supposed to pick them up will be there when they get there, perhaps after a few hour walk/run, then they are crammed into another vehicle and driven for hours to the next destination, then they may have to walk for a day or two, hoping not to get robbed or harrassed by corrupt officials, then another vehicle, then another run across dangerous land, probably without any supplies, where they are driven by hope for the chance to work hard and earn money to better their life and the life of their families..... they might get very sick on the trip, some might die, and when they do get to their destination they might face more problems as life as an illegal holds stresses of its own and some are not lucky to find work that treats them well

these are people, like you and I, born onto this earth..... the arbitrary borders weren't always there, and we are all immigrants or descendents of immigrants, who came based on arbitrary decisions of legislators or lack thereof

just my it's like leaving food out on a table with hungry people and charging someone with theft if they eat some, the economic realities and the american desire for cheap labor to do the menial types of jobs makes the situation one where you are inviting them in a way, at the very least dangling the irresistable carrot and then some are shocked when they come

[Rangermoore]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Good, he should go to jail for 6 months... anyone who thinks ILLEGAL immigrants have special rights and are above the law should go to jail themselves.

We don't have special rights and others immigrants go through the full proper legal process to get into the U.S.A. there's no exceptions, and then these illegal immigrants just waltz in, how do you think those other immigrants who did it the right way feel?

Right on Kid...They along with all the other people that want to come to this Great Country should go through the proper legal process. And those people that say they should not are disloyal Americans..

[Rangermoore]

Originally Posted by d-null

your view is simplistic


picture a scenario, young guys in a poor guatemalan village get phone calls from relatives that are working two jobs and 16 hour days in the u.s. and sending back money to support their families, the coyotes have connections and can get them to the u.s., but the cost is high, thousands of dollars, they are willing to take the chance and huge risks in crossing multiple borders and relying on shady coyotes for the arrangements and travel across the borders, some of the coyotes will work on credit, when they arrive at their destination they may owe $5000 or more, which will have to be paid out of their small wages, so they travel from their small village to the border where they may wait for hours to meet up with an arranged coyote, who will rush them into a vehicle, probably crammed and with no ventilation, where they may travel for hours, then they might be dumped off at a remote part of the border and dumped off and told to RUN, across dangerous rocky or desert paths, where they hope to not be seen and hope that the coyote that is supposed to pick them up will be there when they get there, perhaps after a few hour walk/run, then they are crammed into another vehicle and driven for hours to the next destination, then they may have to walk for a day or two, hoping not to get robbed or harrassed by corrupt officials, then another vehicle, then another run across dangerous land, probably without any supplies, where they are driven by hope for the chance to work hard and earn money to better their life and the life of their families..... they might get very sick on the trip, some might die, and when they do get to their destination they might face more problems as life as an illegal holds stresses of its own and some are not lucky to find work that treats them well

these are people, like you and I, born onto this earth..... the arbitrary borders weren't always there, and we are all immigrants or descendents of immigrants, who came based on arbitrary decisions of legislators or lack thereof

just my it's like leaving food out on a table with hungry people and charging someone with theft if they eat some, the economic realities and the american desire for cheap labor to do the menial types of jobs makes the situation one where you are inviting them in a way, at the very least dangling the irresistable carrot and then some are shocked when they come

Wow that story almost makes me want to go to the border and snipe a few of them then they would not have to worry about "Life as an illegal" because of all the "Stresses" or worry about finding a job that "Treats them well".... Your funny...LOL

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

So if an illegal immigrant ventures out into the world of business in the USA.... and they are failing, there should be random piles of money out there that they can grab.... ?

idiot ....

[Great Shooter]

Now that this guy has been convicted for a crime, dont let him shoot porn, he may fruad all of you.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

So if an illegal immigrant ventures out into the world of business in the USA.... and they are failing, there should be random piles of money out there that they can grab.... ?

This has got to be one of the most moronic things said on here in a long long time.

You are comparing giving water to someone in 110 plus degree weather with giving a pile of money to someone who is broke.

You do understand what you are saying here right?

Because there is quite a difference.




So, what you are also saying is that if someone came to your door, or up to you on the street and they were severely dehydrated and suffering from heat exhaustion you would check to make sure they were legal here before helping them? Because they made the choice right?

[2012]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

So if an illegal immigrant ventures out into the world of business in the USA.... and they are failing, there should be random piles of money out there that they can grab.... ?

[SmokeyTheBear]

he won on appeal , it turns out he was sticking rat poison in the water bottles , so the judge had a good laugh and threw the case out, plus he got a reward and medal.

[Meeper]

Originally Posted by ztik

If they are running around through the fucking desert with no water its their own fault

come the fuck on

bingo. Do it the fucking right way and come over here legally and that guy wouldnt need to fucking leave water bottles in the desert.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Rangermoore

Wow that story almost makes me want to go to the border and snipe a few of them then they would not have to worry about "Life as an illegal" because of all the "Stresses" or worry about finding a job that "Treats them well".... Your funny...LOL

not sure if its a good thing to be so smug in your privilege of where you were born into this world


deny the stress of it if you want, I was just making a point that it's happened before to be taken advantage of to the point of where some have been worked to death picking vegetables in extreme 110 degree heat without proper water or breaks, just an extreme example

[Bird]

It would be fun to go around and pick them up in a stretched limo hummer and style them with drinks.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

youre one funny guy. In one thread you scream up and down all day about how socialism is bad, that you dont want your taxes going to help out other Americans... then here you are trying to act like your brothers keeper? LOL

this shit is hilarious.

I am all for helping out my fellow man, but you "anti-health care reform" folk crack me up.

You dont want to help your own fellow americans get affordable health care, but want to save evey illegal coming into the country to use your tax dollars. as you say it is "stealing from one to give to the other" yet you support illegals coming into US???

BUAHAHAH

if you reply at all make sure you quote the yellow...

Yes cause putting out some water for humans trying to make a better life for themselves uses up my tax dollars... lol I know there are areas where illegals abuse the system badly. They don't here. Most of them here are law abiding people just trying to become legal citizens. You obviously have no idea how fucked up the immigration process is. Most illegals don't want to be illegal. They want to be full citizens, but its a huge idiotic process that costs a silly amount of money. The whole immigration system needs reformed just as much as health care does if not more. Sorry I am such an idiot for showing compassion to people dying from heat exhaustion.

You are so a typical its comical. lol

Btw when did I ever say I didn't want people to be able to get "affordable" health care? Its "free" healthcare that I have an issue with.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Antonio

that's fucked up on so many levels

don't leave water that can save a human's life because some fucking coyote might choke on a piece of plastic

judge need spank

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Yes cause putting out some water for humans trying to make a better life for themselves uses up my tax dollars... lol

I stopped reading there.

If you think illegal immigrants dont cost American tax payers millions and millions you are as dumb as your posts make you out to be.

Ive already proven this time and time again though the way you say one thing in one thread and then something opposite in another. That call that a hypocrit...

Sticky says taking any of his tax dollars to help Americans is socialism and is stealing from one to help the other, but illegals coming into the US should be given whatever they need so when they get here they can have all the free medical they need.

And dumbass, I lived in California where 1/3 of all illegals in America exist, dont even TRY to school me when it comes to illegals. I lived where the area went from whites to my neighbors speaking Spanish, I moved it was so bad. To act as if illegals dont use your tax dollars in the 1oos of millions again shows your comp[lete ignorance of the topic. In LOS Angeles alone when i lived there, 14 hospitals were shut down due to bankruptcy, partially because of.... illegals. Come out of the hills some time.

As you were...

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I stopped reading there.

If you think illegal immigrants dont cost American tax payers millions and millions you are as dumb as your posts make you out to be.

Ive already proven this time and time again though the way you say one thing in one thread and then something opposite in another. That call that a hypocrit...

Sticky says taking any of his tax dollars to help Americans is socialism and is stealing from one to help the other, but illegals coming into the US should be given whatever they need so when they get here they can have all the free medical they need.

And dumbass, I lived in California where 1/3 of all illegals in America exist, dont even TRY to school me when it comes to illegals. I lived where the area went from whites to my neighbors speaking Spanish, I moved it was so bad. To act as if illegals dont use your tax dollars in the 1oos of millions again shows your comp[lete ignorance of the topic. In LOS Angeles alone when i lived there, 14 hospitals were shut down due to bankruptcy, partially because of.... illegals. Come out of the hills some time.

As you were...

And if you understood that most all of them DO NOT want to be illegal but the immigration system is slanted badly to not allow those with little money to become legal well... ok you just won't get it. This country was founded on the fact that people were running from oppression and wanted to find a better life. Fuck it Im wasting my breath here..

[Fletch XXX]

Im just piointing out your hypocrisy when it comes to you being anti-socialism. You want to help illegals get here so they get free medical, but are against any form of health care reform because as you constantly say it is "stealing from one to give to the other" who you think pays for all the health care illegals get? Their anchor babies births? You and me.

Personally I have nothing against illegal immigrants, I dont even care about land borders. Don't confuse me pointing out your hypocrisy as a stance on this particular issue.

You run around here screaming that Obama is a communist and are anti-health caer but then here you come in and paste the text from Ellis like you are your brothers keeper? get real, hypocrit.

[blazin]

I think all americans except 'native americans' should be deported back to wherever they came from


* joke *

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Good, he should go to jail for 6 months... anyone who thinks ILLEGAL immigrants have special rights and are above the law should go to jail themselves.

We don't have special rights and others immigrants go through the full proper legal process to get into the U.S.A. there's no exceptions, and then these illegal immigrants just waltz in, how do you think those other immigrants who did it the right way feel?

You just are not very bright are you..

Got any idea why those illegals can cross so easily? Maybe because the US rely on their work?? They could have put a stop to it YEARS ago.. But then you would be paying 12$ for a head of lettuce in the store. Because THOSE LEGAL immigrants are going to get at LEAST minimum wage to pick it.

Not to mention that no matter what, they are human, they are seeking work which is more than I can say for 9% if the US right now.