Why shouldn't the EU join the US, each country being another state. Our GDP is almost as large as all 27 of your countries and we have more advanced military.


This isn't my belief, but that's the type of thing that will prevent a single world government. :winkwink:

BTW...World Governments...:winkwink:

i really wonder what makes you so much hate the EU. i would never claim that everything is just beautiful and roses, but I for myself have MANY advantages through the EU - for example like simply crossing borders and moving to another contry just as if i would move to another city - without ever being stopped or controlled by anyone.

I like that many countries have the Euro, since then i need to carry less currencies and dont have to calculate all the time.

I also like that there are rules about food, hygenics etc. in all European countries, since then many shitholes have been cleaned up.

and first and foremost: nowadays no one can imagine a war anymore between any countries of the EU - that has not happened EVER in european history.

so what is it now that makes the EU so unbearable for you?

i remember an interest movie Sliders
with that theme

sorry, right now im buying gold chains from people, kept in my secret hiding place :)

my source tells me the 'Elite' plans are to totally crash the economy (in the next 12-18 months) meaning making the dollar worthless. seeing alot of banks fail right now - many are closing, just google it.

But if people have no money, or money has no value, why would they buy gold chains?
If you believe that to be true, get water & food instead of gold chains.

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I certainly hope I'll never live to see the day that there is one world government ... What do you think the welfare costs would be for every third world nation? Hello 80% taxes!

Your "source" is a dumbass since the "elite" all deal in dollars... Oil is traded worldwide dollars, so its not going anywhere, even the Arabs and Russians have billions of US dollars... :winkwink:

Less Government, More Personal Responsibility

Spoken like the wisest of men.


"Ultimately, our choice is to give up Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality, even today. If you think government should "do something" about anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom." -Dr Thomas Sowell

and the biggest debt load on the planet can be eased by European banking dollars. Yeah right dream on. US borrows more than $1.9 BILLION dollars per day to stay afloat. Most of it from China.

just because you have the biggest GDP doesn't mean anything in relation to your debts.

The most salient point about the current economic collapse is that more debt load is being created globally than ever before. The "loans" (read biggest money grab in history for the ruling elite) given to banks to keep them afloat come directly from the US population. Taxpayers. The systematic transfer of dollars from taxpayers to the ruling elite is whats happening today, giving more opportunity than ever before to truly control nations. When you control their debts, you control the people forever.

I believe that the banding of all of the European nations together and the formation of the EU has resulted in the benefits of it outweighing any downsides. It's like a mini one-world government, and it seems to be working so far.

There's certainly been talk in recent years about a similar union forming in N America, bringing in one currency, etc. If it can work for entire continents it can eventually work for the whole world.... again, assuming it's done right and without a full-on world war preceding it.

Two years later,

are we any closer?

No......

Did your sources tell you that?

It's happened before in the Middle Ages and it can happen again. http://thefinalhour.blogspot.com/200...ment-with.html

Think out of the box: it won't be an obvious government but a "meta" government

This might work if we moved to another NEW planet and we setup shop there. But here on earth that might take 1000-2000 years before something like this could happen. Too many people "OWN" their country land to give it away.

Nope won't happen. Hell we can't get red and blue states get along and run a country correctly. How is anyone going to get a whole planet together to get anything done?

I think the MILLIONS of people in N America, S America, Austrailia, Africa and Asia at the time of the middle ages would be saying "WTF are you talking about?"

Very possible. Cheaper, and easier for one agenda to control. No border skipping criminals, totally different tax structure, defense budgets drop to 1% (world police). Hard part is getting initial agreement for control, then it will be taken over in two decades by special interests.

It's already partially here, the plans are now in an advanced stage. The problem is this world goverment is a nasty one, we would be a lot better off without it

Here's a quote from David Rockefeller:-

by:

David Rockefeller
(1915- ) Internationalist billionaire, CFR kingpin, founder of the Trilateralist Commission, World Order Godfather
Date:

June 1991 Baden, Germany
Source:

Bilderberger Meeting, Baden, Germany

The UN Exposed - Part 1 of 5

When the top guys want to make changes, they create a World War by funding both sides

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nation will accept the New World Order."

-- David Rockefeller speaking at a UN Business Conference, Sept. 14, 1994

You mean like this?

This is what Climate Change is really about, it's putting the taxes in place for a world government. The below is from the Club of Rome (United Nations think tank)

"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."

* Alexander King Co-Founder of the Club of Rome, (premier environmental think-tank and consultants to the United Nations) from his 1991 book The First Global Revolution

I.e all of the above will be used as excuses to Unite us with a World Government i.e. control, taxes etc

Not sure we need one... There's just one question that would need to be answered:

Will it let the banks make more money?

If the answer is yes, then surely its in on the way.

For those interested, the below explains how the US will eventually be taken down from within; The Truthers

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When the secret services perform a large false flag operation in one of the world's major cities in broad daylight, they know there are cameras and people all around. They know you will eventually prove it was a controlled demolition, especially after having demolished World Trade Centre 7 on the same day. They know this is the Age of the Internet and that the majority of people will eventually find out the truth either on the Internet or through friends/family.

Truthers, you are part of the plan. A group has been created, you are a member, currently you are being frustated so as you will eventually be a force for change. You are a piece in someone else's chess match; you will be played at a key moment in the game.

The people behind 9/11 (Rockefeller/Banker & Co) have many tentacles. They want the United Nations as their world government, but they need the people to desire this too. The truth behind the truth of 9/11 is that it's a double-conspiracy, Truthers are now like a religious group that can be used for change by the rulers of the world. When the time is right (after WWIII which is in it's early stages), the United Nations will say they want an end to the chaos and destruction. They will announce they have evidence that the 9/11 was an inside job, they will call for a revolution inside the USA leaving the United Nations in control via the North American Union.

With the NAU and United Nations in control, the USA will be left with the same Banker/Rockefeller people in charge, but with a different form of goverment. It will be communism though they will never tell you that.

What can you do? The most important thing is that when the time comes you keep in mind what the true agenda is and be aware that the same people who were behind 9/11 are also behind the United Nations. People will try to pull your strings; strings that they tied to you. When the United Nations gives you the opportunity to overthrow your government (they will help in many ways) you have to try to take it for yourselves, do not fall into the trap that is being set. The NAU/UN look different, the faces are different, but the people who control and fund them are the same. When the time comes, take the country for yourselves! This will require a lot of preparation; your enemy has a plan and you need to be able to anticipate and counter each of his moves.

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Reduce the population to an almost manageable 1 billion, give up our sovereignty, individuality and uniqueness to walk around with a chip in our heads sterilized and dumbed down by the global banks.

Possible? Anybody that thinks this is a good idea already has an brain chip or is brain dead. :2 cents:

I hope it will never happen...

Fuck government; power to the people

as long as its not the french or fucking Muslims im all for it

Of course you all realize that if there is a world government then that means that China will make all the rules since they will have the biggest vote.



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you=fucking moron

Actually by 2050 India will be the most populous country

Just in case you're right on that, I'll pass you over to former Thatcher advisor Lord Monckton

The evolution of man dictates that a global, democratic government is inevitable in the foreseeable or distant future. said sombody i dont no who !

I'm actually very hopeful that it will never happen.

yes, some people will continue to strive for a One World Government and by doing so they will continue to cause harm, but they will never succeed.

The only way they could ever succeed is if they manage to destroy that what makes us humans: our individuality. The only way a One World Government could ever work is if they reduce human society to the mindless uniformity of the ant heap.

+1 exactly my feeling.



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Yes , RFID s will work under 1 control!

it never seizes to amaze me how many people on this board are spooked by their government.. We have chosen these people, these people are just like us. They have families, not all of them are rich, not all of them are in the 'protective circle' that keeps being mentioned by conspiracy ding bats. If that is true, then why would they ever do anything to hurt the public? When the public is their family, their neighbours their friends, their vets, their paper boys, their hair stylists then they will not be able to make these 'evil' decisions that you claim, why? Because they are just like you and they are just like me.... Your 'truthers' will never accept that, if they did they would sleep much better at night.

Government follows economics...As world trade increases so must regulation.

As the EU is finding economic integration needs political control...

As the world gets smaller and more people travel the demands for universal human rights for all will increase.

The de factu "world government" of Western imperial power will be challenged.

Worth remembering the age of Nations is only a few hundreds years old.

PR_Glen,

It's the people behind the scenes, the ones in the shadows who you don't see. It's not the people in the government.

It's not a nice thing to believe, but unfortunately it's well backed up by fact. History also tells us the same story

Actually America's debt, gdp, to spending ratio is FAR better than most EU and Asian Countries... America does not hold the most debt, at that we have interest on debt, we created.... remove that, and we're not in debt - instantly.

We produce money and our money flow moves faster than any other country. America could double in spending, double the money supply, cut our gdp in half, and we would still kick every other countries ass.

That has largely happened already. The majority of humans have always favored conformity even though they might tell you they live in a "free country" or a "democracy" the reality is their idea of freedom is being able to shop at the local mall on sundays.

There is an interesting film i saw last night called "The 11th Hour" mostly about the effect of human habitation on the planet. In it you definitely get the idea of humanity as one big ravenous ant colony laying waste to every resource it can find until there is nothing left. The problem is that the colony won't simply be able to move on after that.

But if you want to get Zen about it George Carlin once said that long after humans are gone from the face of the earth, the earth will still be here and it will regenerate allowing other species to evolve. (thats a rough quote)

So all the poor can legally go to the rich countries?

And it will mean linking the economies, laws, language and a lot of culture together.

EU tried it and it failed. US can do it only because it's a very new country. Canada is on a similar time scale and some of them want to break away.

It will start more wars than it will end. Just between people on one side of the river and people on the other side.

For more examples of why it will not work, look at the way the victors split up Europe after WW1 and the USSR.

450 years ago a French writer, Étienne de La Boétie, wrote a pamphlet titled Discours de la servitude volontaire. Lew Rockwell summarized it as:
"To him, the great mystery of politics was obedience to rulers. Why in the world do people agree to be looted and otherwise oppressed by government overlords? It is not just fear, Boetie explains in ?The Discourse on Voluntary Servitude,? for our consent is required. And that consent can be non-violently withdrawn."

In this pamphlet (that btw enspired Ghandi, MLK etc) , La Boétie argues that a few will always try to shake off 'the weight of the yoke,' perhaps because they 'remember their ancestors and their former ways.' Aware of history, they compare the past to the present and dare to long for a better future:
These are the ones who, having good minds of their own, have further trained them by study and learning.
Even if liberty had entirely perished from the earth, such men would invent it.