What The Fuck?? New CC Bill Fee on My Check Stub - GoFuckYourself.com

boneprone · 12-04-2002, 11:54 PM

On my affilate check I got today I noticed a "CC Bill Fee"

ANyone else notice this on thier stubs?

Before on these check stubs the only deduction Id notice on the check was the - 0.37 for the "transfer cost" fee. (for mailing it i guess)

Now Im getting more fees.
On this one little 80.00 check they took out -12.47 for this "CC Bill Fee" and 0.37 for the "transfer fee."

What the fuck is it? I dont even push many programs using CC Bill so this is all new to me.. Did I miss something?

WHat the fuck is it and are you guys getting this also?

They charging affilates 15% transactions fees now in addition to the paysite owners?? WTF?

12-04-2002, 11:55 PM

that fee has always been there, hasn't it ?

LUCL0NELY · 12-04-2002, 11:56 PM

bnoeprone. can you ICQ me ASAP please.

Theo · 12-04-2002, 11:57 PM

mine has only a transfer cost $0.80
the ccbill fee is $0.00

Theo · 12-04-2002, 11:57 PM

you have been served

BrettJ · 12-04-2002, 11:59 PM

Hey bone

here's the skinny....

membership cost the surfer 30 bucks.

partnership program cuts the webmaster 50%.

now the paysite is getting 15 bucks and the webmaster is getting 15 bucks.

Some paysites decide to pay the processing fee 11.5% - 14.5% (variable based on size) for just the 15 dollars that they are getting and some choose to pay the entire processing fee on the full 30$.

If you haven't noticed the processing fee in the past - it means you were pushing programs that choose to ate the fee themselves

12-05-2002, 12:00 AM

Lucl0nley, you're such a demented psychopath.

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:01 AM

ok, I only pust 2 programs using ccbill.

I push PiggyCash, and I have like a hundred check stubs in front of me now, and they all have ZERO for this CC BILL fee.

On a second account I pust Join Right Now, its new for me and it seems all the checks Ive gotten from that program VIA CC BILL have a 15% fee!

Takin 15% out of EVERY CHECK!

maxcom · 12-05-2002, 12:04 AM

where in CCBill can this option be turned on/off ? I don't see it.

Sly_RJ · 12-05-2002, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
ok, I only pust 2 programs using ccbill.

I push PiggyCash, and I have like a hundred check stubs in front of me now, and they all have ZERO for this CC BILL fee.

On a second account I pust Join Right Now, its new for me and it seems all the checks Ive gotten from that program VIA CC BILL have a 15% fee!

Takin 15% out of EVERY CHECK!

I recently started Join Right Now. I'll let you know what I find after I get my first check...

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:09 AM

I dont know, but if you find out turn it off.

Fuck, 15% of my check?

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrettJ
Hey bone

here's the skinny....

membership cost the surfer 30 bucks.

partnership program cuts the webmaster 50%.

now the paysite is getting 15 bucks and the webmaster is getting 15 bucks.

Some paysites decide to pay the processing fee 11.5% - 14.5% (variable based on size) for just the 15 dollars that they are getting and some choose to pay the entire processing fee on the full 30$.

If you haven't noticed the processing fee in the past - it means you were pushing programs that choose to ate the fee themselves

Ok, I see now.

So in my case does this mean we are splitting this ccbill fee, or am i paying the whole thing?

This is all new to me. Ive never seen this before.

Theo · 12-05-2002, 12:11 AM

they'll go to poor people

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:11 AM

dont take this as a bash on Join Right Now, the program is solid and kicks ass!

Im just wondering what the fuck this fee is doing on my check is all.

Theo · 12-05-2002, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LUCL0NELY

who gives a fuck about your check? Let's focus on the moving shit.

are you threatening me punk?

12-05-2002, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

are you threatening me punk?

no, he's not.

r-c-e · 12-05-2002, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LUCL0NELY

who gives a fuck about your check? Let's focus on the moving shit.

Weren't we talking about CCBill checks? or only CCBill checks of people you like Luc?

LUCL0NELY · 12-05-2002, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

are you threatening me punk?

no, i am not.

LUCL0NELY · 12-05-2002, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by r-c-e

Weren't we talking about CCBill checks? or only CCBill checks of people you like Luc?

gp back to the main point. 4 now.

Theo · 12-05-2002, 12:16 AM

fabulous

Sly_RJ · 12-05-2002, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

Ok, I see now.

So in my case does this mean we are splitting this ccbill fee, or am i paying the whole thing?

This is all new to me. Ive never seen this before.

Looks like the affiliate is swallowing the whole fee. Bummer.

Long as they keep pumping out good quality free content, I don't care.

E-Randy · 12-05-2002, 12:21 AM

CCBill allows the sponsor to absorb the entire proc fee, half of it or pass it all to the affiliate. It's not a smart move to pass it all.

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Looks like the affiliate is swallowing the whole fee. Bummer.

Long as they keep pumping out good quality free content, I don't care.

Yeah i dont really care either.
I just wanted to know what this fee is.

So does this mean its not really a 50/50?
More of a 65/35 partnership program?

BrettJ · 12-05-2002, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by maxcom
where in CCBill can this option be turned on/off ? I don't see it.

the affiliates can't turn it off... only the program owner.

Bone - most likely the program just has you pay the processing fee on the money you actually take home so in the previous example the 15% is taken out of the 15$ dollars. It's pretty standard.

BTW - why the fuck aren't you pushing DA you piece of shit

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:35 AM

but wait, im not paying the entire fee.
I think im paying half of the fee.

15% is taken from my check, im sure 15% is taken from their end too.

We must be splitting the Fee.

BrettJ · 12-05-2002, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

Yeah i dont really care either.
I just wanted to know what this fee is.

So does this mean its not really a 50/50?
More of a 65/35 partnership program?

No. Most likely you are both paying a processing fee on your share - so it's still 50/50...

30$ sale.

15$ for affiliate minus 15% = gross take home = 12.75
15$ for program owner minus 15% = gross take home = 12.75

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 12:40 AM

ahh I see

Shoplifter · 12-05-2002, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
On a second account I pust Join Right Now, its new for me and it seems all the checks Ive gotten from that program VIA CC BILL have a 15% fee!

Takin 15% out of EVERY CHECK!

Yep I have noticed this recently as well. So in fact it is a 35% net program rather than a 50% gross program.

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter

Yep I have noticed this recently as well. So in fact it is a 35% net program rather than a 50% gross program.

Actually its still a 50/50 but the fee is part of the 50/50 also.

Its just you arent making 50% of the revenue, you are making 50% after fees.

Shoplifter · 12-05-2002, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone

Actually its still a 50/50 but the fee is part of the 50/50 also.

Its just you arent making 50% of the revenue, you are making 50% after fees.

Which is 35% of the gross. With my other 50% programs I get 50% of the gross.

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 01:09 AM

I think this may be how many 60/40 rev share programs used to market??

It was 60% before the fees, which in fact made it more into a 50-50 program in the end when you get the check.

Theo · 12-05-2002, 01:10 AM

not good

Theo · 12-05-2002, 01:11 AM

I think this may be how many 60/40 rev share programs used to market??

good point

Funkito · 12-05-2002, 01:23 AM

Just to touch on the math here:

If the sign-up is thirty bucks; and your 50% is 15.00; minus 15%

Your actual net percentage of the sign-up is 42.5% (not 35%)

Still not a smoking percentage though...

extreme · 12-05-2002, 01:54 AM

Actually, got a very small CCBill check today.

Gross: $37,41
CCBill Fee: -$5.18
Transfer Cost: -$0.80
Net: $31.43

... 13% cut of with their "Fee" . Not that it mattered much on this check, cause of the small gross.

TheFLY · 12-05-2002, 02:00 AM

HOLY SHIT! a little here a little there they are sucking us dry.

FUCK MAN THIS IS BULLSHIT

NETbilling · 12-05-2002, 02:04 AM

Perfect reason to push some programs that run their own merchant accounts like
Fetishcash and Wasteland's program.

No processing fees and the merchants control their own scrub levels = max conversions.

Mitch

TheFLY · 12-05-2002, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling
Perfect reason to push some programs that run their own merchant accounts like
Fetishcash and Wasteland's program.

Wasteland what? What's the URL never heard of it...

?

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling
Perfect reason to push some programs that run their own merchant accounts like
Fetishcash and Wasteland's program.

No processing fees and the merchants control their own scrub levels = max conversions.

Mitch

Those programs cant even hold join right now's jock strap.

Join right now could make the shit 30/70 and we'd still do better.

Come on.

The issue isnt the program, the issue was this weird fee I had no idea what it was.

Its no biggie. Im sure the other processors take this fee out on us as well one way or another, and you never know.

Only reason we know is becasue ccbill puts it on thier stub.

NETbilling · 12-05-2002, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Wasteland what? What's the URL never heard of it...

?

Wasteland.com is one of the main sites

http://www.spicecash.com/ps/ is their program

Colin Rowntree's sites.

Mitch

boneprone · 12-05-2002, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling

Wasteland.com is one of the main sites

http://www.spicecash.com/ps/ is their program

Colin Rowntree's sites.

Mitch

looks good!

Impressive...

Socks · 12-05-2002, 03:31 AM

Bone, we list Wasteland.com`s site, it´s really good and the surfers will be happy if you promote it. http://www.adultsitesurfer.com/Revie...DSM/index.html if you care to take a look, there are some SWEET sample images to check out and some good user feedback comments at the bottom. Colin has always been very prompt when dealing with me as well.

We also list a few FetishCash sites and they do well for us, even moreso than Wasteland I dare say, although we do have a few more of their sites listed.

Hope this helps, I´m off to ACAPULCO tomorrow! Woooooooooooooooooo. =) Peace out.

Aza · 12-05-2002, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
I think this may be how many 60/40 rev share programs used to market??

It was 60% before the fees, which in fact made it more into a 50-50 program in the end when you get the check.

exactly!

cherrylula · 12-05-2002, 11:33 AM

I've always thought it funny that ccbill deducts .37 cents for a friggin stamp

But maybe they save a lot of money doing that? Like those people who pick up dirty pennies in a parking lot.

DearAbby · 12-05-2002, 11:37 AM

What a shitty program

Doctor Dre · 12-05-2002, 11:38 AM

That's pretty gay when you loose 15 % I wouldn't join any sponsors that do that unless they convert 1:100 lol

Dugmor · 12-05-2002, 01:21 PM

I just off the phone with CC Bill and they said that it is totally normal for a sponsor program to split 50 / 50 with there affiliates.

I understand your traffic is very valuable ( I know because I buy a lot ).
If anyone here has seen our content we make sure we keep up the standards to the highest. Our costs on our side are very high. We are more than willing to keep giving out to you for FREE , content that most webmasters could not afford.

In addition Remember we have a Webmaster affiliate program that pays out 10 percent to the referring Webmaster. That 10 % comes out of our side.

If anyone has any questions about Join Right Now or the content.

Contact me at
Dugmor
1-514-841-2540
ICQ 45771964

I will be at Internext in January

corvette · 12-05-2002, 01:26 PM

I concur

I?m not going to say anything that has not been posted before in this thread, though

Program owners have the option of either absorbing the whole CCBill fee or splitting the fee with their referral partners. We have offered that for years

On a separate note, I would like to add that the reason that CCBill scrubs is not because we are malevolent and want to cast aside good sales. Our fee is based on a percentage; the more our clients make, the more we make. However, if your chargeback rate gets too high, you lose your business. Before it was your merchant account, now it?s your merchant account, plus the added risk of getting placed on the Visa Terminated Merchant File. To those that don?t know, that is the Visa ?blacklist?. When on the list, you (and your company) cannot process Visa transactions, through a 3rd party biller, your own merchant account, whatever.

I am not going to go into the issue of the fines

Sure, if we threw the scrub out, conversions would be great?for 3 months

By the way, Colin and Angie from Wasteland are stand-up people. I have a great deal of respect for them and how they run their business.

SleazyDream · 12-05-2002, 01:28 PM

regardless of all the fees, who makes more for amount of traffic sent? Everyone I know has been VERY VERY impressed with conversions from Join Right Now and they have some very cutting edge content that converts VERY VERY well.

Sly_RJ · 12-05-2002, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dugmor
I just off the phone with CC Bill and they said that it is totally normal for a sponsor program to split 50 / 50 with there affiliates.

I understand your traffic is very valuable ( I know because I buy a lot ).
If anyone here has seen our content we make sure we keep up the standards to the highest. Our costs on our side are very high. We are more than willing to keep giving out to you for FREE , content that most webmasters could not afford.

In addition Remember we have a Webmaster affiliate program that pays out 10 percent to the referring Webmaster. That 10 % comes out of our side.

If anyone has any questions about Join Right Now or the content.

Contact me at
Dugmor
1-514-841-2540
ICQ 45771964

I will be at Internext in January

Awesome program you have man. Content is fabulous.

The join conversions could be better, but the trial to full conversion and recurring conversions are great.

12-04-2002, 11:54 PM	#1
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	New CC Bill Fee on My Check Stub On my affilate check I got today I noticed a "CC Bill Fee" ANyone else notice this on thier stubs? Before on these check stubs the only deduction Id notice on the check was the - 0.37 for the "transfer cost" fee. (for mailing it i guess) Now Im getting more fees. On this one little 80.00 check they took out -12.47 for this "CC Bill Fee" and 0.37 for the "transfer fee." What the fuck is it? I dont even push many programs using CC Bill so this is all new to me.. Did I miss something? WHat the fuck is it and are you guys getting this also? They charging affilates 15% transactions fees now in addition to the paysite owners?? WTF? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 12-04-2002 at 11:57 PM..

12-05-2002, 12:01 AM	#8
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	ok, I only pust 2 programs using ccbill. I push PiggyCash, and I have like a hundred check stubs in front of me now, and they all have ZERO for this CC BILL fee. On a second account I pust Join Right Now, its new for me and it seems all the checks Ive gotten from that program VIA CC BILL have a 15% fee! Takin 15% out of EVERY CHECK! __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

12-05-2002, 12:09 AM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I dont know, but if you find out turn it off. Fuck, 15% of my check? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

12-05-2002, 12:11 AM	#14
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	dont take this as a bash on Join Right Now, the program is solid and kicks ass! Im just wondering what the fuck this fee is doing on my check is all. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

12-05-2002, 12:21 AM	#22
E-Randy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 176	CCBill allows the sponsor to absorb the entire proc fee, half of it or pass it all to the affiliate. It's not a smart move to pass it all. __________________ ElectraContent.com 31 KICK ASS plugin products for $399! Massive Rods, College Girls, Panties, Lesbians, Toys and dildos, Dirty Blondes, Petite, Interracial, Sexy Housewives........

12-04-2002, 11:55 PM	#2
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	that fee has always been there, hasn't it ?

12-04-2002, 11:56 PM	#3
LUCL0NELY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: AZN KLAN'S MAIN LAND Posts: 1,527	bnoeprone. can you ICQ me ASAP please.

12-04-2002, 11:57 PM	#4
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	mine has only a transfer cost $0.80 the ccbill fee is $0.00

12-04-2002, 11:59 PM	#6
BrettJ ol' timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 4,715	Hey bone here's the skinny.... membership cost the surfer 30 bucks. partnership program cuts the webmaster 50%. now the paysite is getting 15 bucks and the webmaster is getting 15 bucks. Some paysites decide to pay the processing fee 11.5% - 14.5% (variable based on size) for just the 15 dollars that they are getting and some choose to pay the entire processing fee on the full 30$. If you haven't noticed the processing fee in the past - it means you were pushing programs that choose to ate the fee themselves

12-05-2002, 12:00 AM	#7
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Lucl0nley, you're such a demented psychopath.

12-05-2002, 12:04 AM	#9
maxcom Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 447	where in CCBill can this option be turned on/off ? I don't see it.

12-05-2002, 12:16 AM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	fabulous

12-05-2002, 12:35 AM	#25
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	but wait, im not paying the entire fee. I think im paying half of the fee. 15% is taken from my check, im sure 15% is taken from their end too. We must be splitting the Fee. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

12-05-2002, 12:40 AM	#27
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	ahh I see __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

12-05-2002, 01:09 AM	#31
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I think this may be how many 60/40 rev share programs used to market?? It was 60% before the fees, which in fact made it more into a 50-50 program in the end when you get the check. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

12-05-2002, 01:10 AM	#32
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	not good

12-05-2002, 01:11 AM	#33
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I think this may be how many 60/40 rev share programs used to market?? good point

12-05-2002, 01:23 AM	#34
Funkito Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 92	Just to touch on the math here: If the sign-up is thirty bucks; and your 50% is 15.00; minus 15% Your actual net percentage of the sign-up is 42.5% (not 35%) Still not a smoking percentage though...

12-05-2002, 01:54 AM	#35
extreme Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lalaland Posts: 2,120	Actually, got a very small CCBill check today. Gross: $37,41 CCBill Fee: -$5.18 Transfer Cost: -$0.80 Net: $31.43 ... 13% cut of with their "Fee" . Not that it mattered much on this check, cause of the small gross.

12-05-2002, 02:00 AM	#36
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	HOLY SHIT! a little here a little there they are sucking us dry. FUCK MAN THIS IS BULLSHIT

12-05-2002, 02:04 AM	#37
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Perfect reason to push some programs that run their own merchant accounts like Fetishcash and Wasteland's program. No processing fees and the merchants control their own scrub levels = max conversions. Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

12-05-2002, 03:31 AM	#42
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Bone, we list Wasteland.com`s site, it´s really good and the surfers will be happy if you promote it. http://www.adultsitesurfer.com/Revie...DSM/index.html if you care to take a look, there are some SWEET sample images to check out and some good user feedback comments at the bottom. Colin has always been very prompt when dealing with me as well. We also list a few FetishCash sites and they do well for us, even moreso than Wasteland I dare say, although we do have a few more of their sites listed. Hope this helps, I´m off to ACAPULCO tomorrow! Woooooooooooooooooo. =) Peace out.

12-05-2002, 11:33 AM	#44
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I've always thought it funny that ccbill deducts .37 cents for a friggin stamp But maybe they save a lot of money doing that? Like those people who pick up dirty pennies in a parking lot.

12-05-2002, 11:37 AM	#45
DearAbby Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NoCal Posts: 979	What a shitty program

12-05-2002, 11:38 AM	#46
Doctor Dre Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 51,692	That's pretty gay when you loose 15 % I wouldn't join any sponsors that do that unless they convert 1:100 lol

12-05-2002, 01:21 PM	#47
Dugmor The Traffic Cowboy Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: BP4L - Vice Prez Posts: 7,596	I just off the phone with CC Bill and they said that it is totally normal for a sponsor program to split 50 / 50 with there affiliates. I understand your traffic is very valuable ( I know because I buy a lot ). If anyone here has seen our content we make sure we keep up the standards to the highest. Our costs on our side are very high. We are more than willing to keep giving out to you for FREE , content that most webmasters could not afford. In addition Remember we have a Webmaster affiliate program that pays out 10 percent to the referring Webmaster. That 10 % comes out of our side. If anyone has any questions about Join Right Now or the content. Contact me at Dugmor 1-514-841-2540 ICQ 45771964 I will be at Internext in January __________________ JesusEmpire - The Most Trusted Mobile Marketing Service SMS Verification codes for 345 websites including: Tinder - Bumble - Twitter - TikTok - Instagram - Facebook

12-05-2002, 01:26 PM	#48
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	I concur I?m not going to say anything that has not been posted before in this thread, though Program owners have the option of either absorbing the whole CCBill fee or splitting the fee with their referral partners. We have offered that for years On a separate note, I would like to add that the reason that CCBill scrubs is not because we are malevolent and want to cast aside good sales. Our fee is based on a percentage; the more our clients make, the more we make. However, if your chargeback rate gets too high, you lose your business. Before it was your merchant account, now it?s your merchant account, plus the added risk of getting placed on the Visa Terminated Merchant File. To those that don?t know, that is the Visa ?blacklist?. When on the list, you (and your company) cannot process Visa transactions, through a 3rd party biller, your own merchant account, whatever. I am not going to go into the issue of the fines Sure, if we threw the scrub out, conversions would be great?for 3 months By the way, Colin and Angie from Wasteland are stand-up people. I have a great deal of respect for them and how they run their business. __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

12-05-2002, 01:28 PM	#49
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	regardless of all the fees, who makes more for amount of traffic sent? Everyone I know has been VERY VERY impressed with conversions from Join Right Now and they have some very cutting edge content that converts VERY VERY well. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.