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fris · 07-23-2009, 07:54 PM

Whats the word ?

fatfoo · 07-23-2009, 07:56 PM

What is the word indeed?

Agent 488 · 07-23-2009, 07:59 PM

top notch stand up.

baddog · 07-23-2009, 08:07 PM

The bird is the word.

KingpinMedia · 07-23-2009, 08:08 PM

been hearing and reading on another messageboard that a lot of webmasters aren't getting paid, or being forced to wait for payments until bigger affiliates who've made more money get paid first.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-23-2009, 08:09 PM

not been paid

CyberHustler · 07-23-2009, 08:15 PM

I tried it when it first came out and was confused as shit... gave up.

MediaGuy · 07-23-2009, 08:25 PM

Marc Womack is a gentleman and a scholar, and anything he's behind is gold.

:D

07-23-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

The bird is the word.

Crunked · 07-23-2009, 08:26 PM

I know of about 15 webmasters who have not been paid in almost a month now with no word as to why.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-23-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Marc Womack is a gentleman and a scholar, and anything he's behind is gold.

:D

He has always been helpful to me, but the question needs to be asked, have people been paid?

Abbie · 07-23-2009, 08:28 PM

Huge thread over here about it. Seems like there are numerous unhappy webbies ... especially after Marc's posts.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-24-2009, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbie

Huge thread over here about it. Seems like there are numerous unhappy webbies ... especially after Marc's posts.

Yeah that ticked off a few people.

Jack Sparrow · 07-24-2009, 07:01 AM

Wondering the same thing.

CIVMatt · 07-24-2009, 07:08 AM

The money they make off torrent advertisers must be staggering

Scott McD · 07-24-2009, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

Whats the word ?

Grease is the word !!

Crunked · 07-24-2009, 10:19 AM

How many people have tried calling him?

SBJ · 07-24-2009, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Grease is the word !!

god that movie sucked!

IllTestYourGirls · 07-24-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunked

How many people have tried calling him?

You mean how many people have tried chasing their money?

Crunked · 07-25-2009, 10:10 AM

Bump....

Plugrush · 07-26-2009, 11:47 AM

They still owe us quite a bit of money and haven't paid. I know there are guys who are owed a LOT more than us that haven't been paid yet. Almost a month late on payments now. Don't use Madison Avenue!

PlugRush Sascha · 07-26-2009, 12:19 PM

It's completely ridiculous that people haven't gotten paid at this point.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-27-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktj4l

It's completely ridiculous that people haven't gotten paid at this point.

My guess is that we are never getting paid

habibjr · 08-02-2009, 02:09 PM

since MA has not updated anybody about there situation, i think the right thing is to do is let people know. Here is the email i got about 10 days or so ago.

"Here's where we stand. We've had to make some fairly painful changes to attain profitability with the company. We've had to change our payment terms to Net 65. Additionally Publishers will receive 60% of revenue from Network Campaigns rather than the previous 70%. That said, any Publishers who were actively participating in Network Campaigns at the time of this switch have been "grandfathered" in at the old rate of seventy percent. While these changes are painful they are the only way we can achieve profitability and only with profitability can we continue to operate and pay Publishers on time. Additionally we'll shortly be implementing that Publishers must allocate a minimum of 50% of their inventory to Network Campaigns. Basically no longer offering the functionality to be a totally free Ad Rotation Solution.

Less to do with direct effects to Publishers but certainly the biggest step toward achieving profitability, I've cut $20,000 a month from our monthly budget by letting go of a good portion of our staff and trimming it to just the core programmers and support personnel necessary to maintain MadAve and having them now work from home. Fortunately this won't be bad as we've finished up 95% of the work needed to be done on MadAve. I'm announcing today the new Mobile functionality is completed where all banner zones will automatically detect mobile surfers and display mobile specific campaigns. All that's left on the to-do list is to automate the allocation of Network Campaigns (currently only Filler Ads are automatically allocated). MadAve is basically "done" in terms of major development needs. Of course we'll still be adding in minor functionality but our core concentration moving forward is making money with the platform as it stands.

The bottom line is that after I've completed paying severance for the employees we let go we'll now be marginally profitable. I've already found someone to take over the lease on our office, buy all the excess equipment, etc.. Once we fully implement the changes to the %'s of commissions the Publishers get we'll be comfortably profitable. Heh, not saying we'll be making crazy profits but enough that we'll no longer have problems paying Publishers on time.

I haven't made a general announcement on this yet as I've been scrambling to come up with enough funds to make payment for what was expected by Publishers on the 5th of this month to make these changes less of a financial burden on the Publishers. It's a difficult balancing act that frankly I don't know how it will play out. If too many Publishers leave because of these changes then we won't be able to stay in business and bankruptcy will be our only option and sadly no one will get paid anything.

Thus, it's vital that if at all possible you stay with us so that we can keep operating, keep running the platform, and keep generating new revenue to pay Publishers with. While these changes do mean less money initially I'm confident that you and all other Publishers would prefer this to us having to declare bankruptcy. Stick with us and we'll be able to pay on time every time since we won't be focusing nearly as much time on development of the platform we can and will concentrate much more effort on bringing in more advertisers, more campaigns, and that as always will result in better RPM for you. I'm confident in a couple months with the addition of all these new advertisers and the Mobile offering we'll be making you just as much per month as you have been in the past. The only difference will be that you're getting paid on time and the company as a whole will be more stable and secure!"

Regards,

Marc Womack
Chief Executive Officer
www.MadisonAvenue.com

fris · 08-02-2009, 02:38 PM

"we're completely fucked unless you suckers keep giving us money"

"keep running our ads for less money than before instead of switching to other companies that aren't on the verge of collapse and pay more."

KingpinMedia · 08-02-2009, 02:38 PM

is FAIL the right word to use in a situation like this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by habibjr

since MA has not updated anybody about there situation, i think the right thing is to do is let people know. Here is the email i got about 10 days or so ago.

"Here's where we stand. We've had to make some fairly painful changes to attain profitability with the company. We've had to change our payment terms to Net 65. Additionally Publishers will receive 60% of revenue from Network Campaigns rather than the previous 70%. That said, any Publishers who were actively participating in Network Campaigns at the time of this switch have been "grandfathered" in at the old rate of seventy percent. While these changes are painful they are the only way we can achieve profitability and only with profitability can we continue to operate and pay Publishers on time. Additionally we'll shortly be implementing that Publishers must allocate a minimum of 50% of their inventory to Network Campaigns. Basically no longer offering the functionality to be a totally free Ad Rotation Solution.

Less to do with direct effects to Publishers but certainly the biggest step toward achieving profitability, I've cut $20,000 a month from our monthly budget by letting go of a good portion of our staff and trimming it to just the core programmers and support personnel necessary to maintain MadAve and having them now work from home. Fortunately this won't be bad as we've finished up 95% of the work needed to be done on MadAve. I'm announcing today the new Mobile functionality is completed where all banner zones will automatically detect mobile surfers and display mobile specific campaigns. All that's left on the to-do list is to automate the allocation of Network Campaigns (currently only Filler Ads are automatically allocated). MadAve is basically "done" in terms of major development needs. Of course we'll still be adding in minor functionality but our core concentration moving forward is making money with the platform as it stands.

The bottom line is that after I've completed paying severance for the employees we let go we'll now be marginally profitable. I've already found someone to take over the lease on our office, buy all the excess equipment, etc.. Once we fully implement the changes to the %'s of commissions the Publishers get we'll be comfortably profitable. Heh, not saying we'll be making crazy profits but enough that we'll no longer have problems paying Publishers on time.

I haven't made a general announcement on this yet as I've been scrambling to come up with enough funds to make payment for what was expected by Publishers on the 5th of this month to make these changes less of a financial burden on the Publishers. It's a difficult balancing act that frankly I don't know how it will play out. If too many Publishers leave because of these changes then we won't be able to stay in business and bankruptcy will be our only option and sadly no one will get paid anything.

Thus, it's vital that if at all possible you stay with us so that we can keep operating, keep running the platform, and keep generating new revenue to pay Publishers with. While these changes do mean less money initially I'm confident that you and all other Publishers would prefer this to us having to declare bankruptcy. Stick with us and we'll be able to pay on time every time since we won't be focusing nearly as much time on development of the platform we can and will concentrate much more effort on bringing in more advertisers, more campaigns, and that as always will result in better RPM for you. I'm confident in a couple months with the addition of all these new advertisers and the Mobile offering we'll be making you just as much per month as you have been in the past. The only difference will be that you're getting paid on time and the company as a whole will be more stable and secure!"

Regards,

Marc Womack
Chief Executive Officer
www.MadisonAvenue.com

Forkbeard · 08-02-2009, 03:33 PM

Quote:

We've had to change our payment terms to Net 65.

Translation: "We just gave ourselves a payment holiday."

In every line of business I've ever been in, when a debtor unilaterally announces more generous payment terms for itself, it was an early step in an inevitable failure cascade.

woj · 08-02-2009, 04:22 PM

"net 65 payments"
Where do I signup?

candyflip · 08-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Get off while you can.

fris · 08-03-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingpinMedia

is FAIL the right word to use in a situation like this?

in EPIC proportions

babebuns · 08-03-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

in EPIC terms

sir i think you mean EPIC.

KingpinMedia · 08-03-2009, 08:21 PM

I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. If it was some other company not paying people everyone would be in here showing off their sigs.

Rexk · 08-03-2009, 08:30 PM

I know many of you know Marc and he is a stand-up guy and a good friend...it is not easy to admit when you are struggling..many good honest folks on this board are having struggles...Sleazy...Traffic Dude etc...I know Marc will let folks know exactly where you...him stand...it sounds like that is what he is attempting to do...he followed a dream after he sold CJ and is doing his best to make that dream a success

Icy · 08-06-2009, 09:45 AM

Owed close to $4k... and waiting....

KingpinMedia · 08-06-2009, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy

Owed close to $4k... and waiting....

he's too busy making blog posts on his site instead of paying people:
http://marcwomack.com/

ravo · 08-06-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy

Owed close to $4k... and waiting....

Ouch, that's harsh.

EscortBiz · 08-06-2009, 11:43 AM

everything on gfy turns into if the owner is a standup guy and hes nice at shows etc, im sure hes a great guy a funny guy a sharp guy but what the fuck does that have to do with anything

this is a general comment as i have no clue about madison ave.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-06-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

everything on gfy turns into if the owner is a standup guy and hes nice at shows etc, im sure hes a great guy a funny guy a sharp guy but what the fuck does that have to do with anything

this is a general comment as i have no clue about madison ave.

My epass account has nothing but bad things to say about him

slapass · 08-06-2009, 01:47 PM

Not sure why everyone thinks he is such a stand up guy. Ever do business with him?

Vox · 08-06-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexk

I know many of you know Marc and he is a stand-up guy and a good friend...it is not easy to admit when you are struggling..many good honest folks on this board are having struggles...Sleazy...Traffic Dude etc...I know Marc will let folks know exactly where you...him stand...it sounds like that is what he is attempting to do...he followed a dream after he sold CJ and is doing his best to make that dream a success

And now he is known as a stand up thief.

Go on, take the money and run.....

epitome · 08-06-2009, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

The bird is the word.

Damn it, you beat me!!! I wanted to post that!

TheSenator · 08-06-2009, 08:46 PM

http://madisonave.com/

Yeah, that site needs an upgrade.

Vox · 08-06-2009, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator

http://madisonave.com/

Yeah, that site needs an upgrade.

FAIL

http://madisonavenue.com/home.do

TheSenator · 08-06-2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vox

FAIL

http://madisonavenue.com/home.do

I guess a Canadian don't get sarcasm.

epitome · 08-06-2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingpinMedia

he's too busy making blog posts on his site instead of paying people:
http://marcwomack.com/

Wait, that can't be his blog, can it?

http://marcwomack.com/index.php/2009/08/birthday-party/

From his blog:

Quote:

I?ll be providing food and booze but feel free to bring more of both. As I don?t start my new job until next week I?m fairly broke, heh.

BAKO · 08-06-2009, 09:16 PM

That's just fucked up. Marc is a great guy and I'm sure he did his best to keep the ship moving. I'm not here to stand up for him or anything. I do have over $3000 worth of credit with Madave and if the ship goes down my money goes with it. Truly a sad fucking day.

GAMEFINEST · 08-06-2009, 09:35 PM

wassup bitches ..

TheSenator · 08-06-2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAKO

That's just fucked up. Marc is a great guy and I'm sure he did his best to keep the ship moving. I'm not here to stand up for him or anything. I do have over $3000 worth of credit with Madave and if the ship goes down my money goes with it. Truly a sad fucking day.

You'll never see that money.

I cashed out early.

BAKO · 08-06-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator

You'll never see that money.

I cashed out early.

How did you manage to cash out early?

DaddyHalbucks · 08-06-2009, 10:58 PM

I never used it.

07-23-2009, 07:54 PM	#1
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07-23-2009, 07:59 PM	#3
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	top notch stand up.

07-23-2009, 08:07 PM	#4
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	The bird is the word.

07-23-2009, 08:08 PM	#5
KingpinMedia Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 834	been hearing and reading on another messageboard that a lot of webmasters aren't getting paid, or being forced to wait for payments until bigger affiliates who've made more money get paid first.

07-23-2009, 08:15 PM	#7
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,556	I tried it when it first came out and was confused as shit... gave up.

07-23-2009, 08:28 PM	#12
Abbie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,004	Huge thread over here about it. Seems like there are numerous unhappy webbies ... especially after Marc's posts. Last edited by Abbie; 07-23-2009 at 08:30 PM..

07-24-2009, 07:01 AM	#14
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Wondering the same thing.

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07-24-2009, 10:19 AM	#17
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07-25-2009, 10:10 AM	#20
Crunked Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 883	Bump.... __________________ AIM: DGnetmedia \| ICQ: 294601964 DGNETMEDIA AT GMAIL DOT COM

07-26-2009, 11:47 AM	#21
Plugrush Moving Traffic Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 384	They still owe us quite a bit of money and haven't paid. I know there are guys who are owed a LOT more than us that haven't been paid yet. Almost a month late on payments now. Don't use Madison Avenue!

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08-02-2009, 02:09 PM	#24
habibjr Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 342	since MA has not updated anybody about there situation, i think the right thing is to do is let people know. Here is the email i got about 10 days or so ago. "Here's where we stand. We've had to make some fairly painful changes to attain profitability with the company. We've had to change our payment terms to Net 65. Additionally Publishers will receive 60% of revenue from Network Campaigns rather than the previous 70%. That said, any Publishers who were actively participating in Network Campaigns at the time of this switch have been "grandfathered" in at the old rate of seventy percent. While these changes are painful they are the only way we can achieve profitability and only with profitability can we continue to operate and pay Publishers on time. Additionally we'll shortly be implementing that Publishers must allocate a minimum of 50% of their inventory to Network Campaigns. Basically no longer offering the functionality to be a totally free Ad Rotation Solution. Less to do with direct effects to Publishers but certainly the biggest step toward achieving profitability, I've cut $20,000 a month from our monthly budget by letting go of a good portion of our staff and trimming it to just the core programmers and support personnel necessary to maintain MadAve and having them now work from home. Fortunately this won't be bad as we've finished up 95% of the work needed to be done on MadAve. I'm announcing today the new Mobile functionality is completed where all banner zones will automatically detect mobile surfers and display mobile specific campaigns. All that's left on the to-do list is to automate the allocation of Network Campaigns (currently only Filler Ads are automatically allocated). MadAve is basically "done" in terms of major development needs. Of course we'll still be adding in minor functionality but our core concentration moving forward is making money with the platform as it stands. The bottom line is that after I've completed paying severance for the employees we let go we'll now be marginally profitable. I've already found someone to take over the lease on our office, buy all the excess equipment, etc.. Once we fully implement the changes to the %'s of commissions the Publishers get we'll be comfortably profitable. Heh, not saying we'll be making crazy profits but enough that we'll no longer have problems paying Publishers on time. I haven't made a general announcement on this yet as I've been scrambling to come up with enough funds to make payment for what was expected by Publishers on the 5th of this month to make these changes less of a financial burden on the Publishers. It's a difficult balancing act that frankly I don't know how it will play out. If too many Publishers leave because of these changes then we won't be able to stay in business and bankruptcy will be our only option and sadly no one will get paid anything. Thus, it's vital that if at all possible you stay with us so that we can keep operating, keep running the platform, and keep generating new revenue to pay Publishers with. While these changes do mean less money initially I'm confident that you and all other Publishers would prefer this to us having to declare bankruptcy. Stick with us and we'll be able to pay on time every time since we won't be focusing nearly as much time on development of the platform we can and will concentrate much more effort on bringing in more advertisers, more campaigns, and that as always will result in better RPM for you. I'm confident in a couple months with the addition of all these new advertisers and the Mobile offering we'll be making you just as much per month as you have been in the past. The only difference will be that you're getting paid on time and the company as a whole will be more stable and secure!" Regards, Marc Womack Chief Executive Officer www.MadisonAvenue.com __________________ Make Money on REAL ReAlity Ethnic Homegrown Porn The ORIGINAL BLACK SEX FINDER

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08-03-2009, 08:30 PM	#33
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08-06-2009, 01:47 PM	#39
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	Not sure why everyone thinks he is such a stand up guy. Ever do business with him?

08-06-2009, 08:46 PM	#42
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08-06-2009, 09:16 PM	#46
BAKO Etology.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hollywood CA Posts: 18,407	That's just fucked up. Marc is a great guy and I'm sure he did his best to keep the ship moving. I'm not here to stand up for him or anything. I do have over $3000 worth of credit with Madave and if the ship goes down my money goes with it. Truly a sad fucking day. __________________ Telegram: @bakokaye

08-06-2009, 09:35 PM	#47
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